1000th Show Update - Accurate count discussion

Happy Halloween Friends:
As I take in one of the longest PJ concerts ever (Spectrum 09) via the website this morning, I got to thinking about the question of how many shows they've actually done. Less than two years ago, JA was interviewed on a podcast with the question of "So you are approaching 1000 shows, any big plans?" and he replied (sic) "Kelly will definitely have something big planned." At the time of that interview, they still had total shows posted on the tours page and the number was hovering around 960. The good ole PJ Stat Tracker currently has it at 1,028. I am wondering if 10C quietly scrubbed the total number from the site as it was not an accurate count. If we are still below a grand, then I'd guess we'd be in the mid 980's. 

Be Well and Vote no matter where you are in the world,

Comments

  • dannydanny Posts: 2,020
    god knows how many shows but what fan  has seen pearl jam the most
    danny d
  •  Here is 10 pages on the topic from a few years back.. Happy reading.  Good luck getting to an answer


    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/250585/pearl-jams-1000th-performance


    SHOW COUNT: (121) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010's=65, US=87, CAN=13, Europe=15 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
    Mexico=1, Colombia=1  

  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,097
    Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

    But many of those are not really shows

    RNR Induction = not a show
    9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
    Fallon 4x = not a show
    SNL 4x = not a show
    Letterman 5x = not a show
    The Who Honors = not a show 
    AOL Session = not a show

    There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.
    His eminence has yet to show. 
    http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
    1996 - 9/21, 9/28, 9/29
    1998 - 5/1, 8/22, 8/25, 8/26, 8/28, 9/8, 9/10, 9/11
    1999 - 10/30, 10/31 (left early due to flight grrr)
    2000 - 4/12, 8/4, 8/6, 8/23, 8/24, 8/25, 8/27
    2003 - 4/28, 4/29, 5/3, 6/29, 7/5, 7/6, 7/8, 7/9, 7/14
    2005 - 9/15, 9/16
    2006 - 5/12
    2008 - 6/25
    2013 - 7/16
    2016 - 4/29, 8/7
    2018 - 9/4

  • rummyrummy Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,542
    PB11041 said:
    Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

    But many of those are not really shows

    RNR Induction = not a show
    9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
    Fallon 4x = not a show
    SNL 4x = not a show
    Letterman 5x = not a show
    The Who Honors = not a show 
    AOL Session = not a show

    There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.
    I see your point about the Bridge School shows but then would festival appearances count?
    Auckland 1998, Toronto 1 2011, London 2013, Buffalo 2013, Toronto 1&2 2016, Seattle 1&2 2018
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 5,614
    # of performances?

    Or # of shows/concerts?

    what defines a show/concert?



    then you just have to agree on how many for each year 1990-2018


    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

    For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.
  • KN219077KN219077 MontanaPosts: 302
    Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

    For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.
    Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 
  • KN219077 said:
    Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

    For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.
    Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

    Good point

    Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.
  • JammalamboJammalambo Posts: 1,138
    PB11041 said:
    Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

    But many of those are not really shows

    RNR Induction = not a show
    9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
    Fallon 4x = not a show
    SNL 4x = not a show
    Letterman 5x = not a show
    The Who Honors = not a show 
    AOL Session = not a show

    There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.
    I agree that these TV appearances can hardly be considered a PJ concert. As for BSB though, I'm not so sure.. to me the Bridge School benefits are to be considered shows/concerts. they are acoustic and benefits, and so? Benaroya Hall was a benefit and acoustic, are we not considering it a concert because of that? Also, the festivals, they are shows as well (can't really see why not).
    To me, the lenght/number of songs played should be somewhat indicative (just my opinion, obviously). For example, I consider what they did at Letterman 2006 a concert (mini concert, let's say).
  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,097
    PB11041 said:
    Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

    But many of those are not really shows

    RNR Induction = not a show
    9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
    Fallon 4x = not a show
    SNL 4x = not a show
    Letterman 5x = not a show
    The Who Honors = not a show 
    AOL Session = not a show

    There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.
    I agree that these TV appearances can hardly be considered a PJ concert. As for BSB though, I'm not so sure.. to me the Bridge School benefits are to be considered shows/concerts. they are acoustic and benefits, and so? Benaroya Hall was a benefit and acoustic, are we not considering it a concert because of that? Also, the festivals, they are shows as well (can't really see why not).
    To me, the lenght/number of songs played should be somewhat indicative (just my opinion, obviously). For example, I consider what they did at Letterman 2006 a concert (mini concert, let's say).
    Benaroya Hall was their show.  Not an appearance.  The Bridge Shows they are generally one of 8-10 performers.  Playing 6-9 songs.  It's an appearance.


    His eminence has yet to show. 
    http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
    1996 - 9/21, 9/28, 9/29
    1998 - 5/1, 8/22, 8/25, 8/26, 8/28, 9/8, 9/10, 9/11
    1999 - 10/30, 10/31 (left early due to flight grrr)
    2000 - 4/12, 8/4, 8/6, 8/23, 8/24, 8/25, 8/27
    2003 - 4/28, 4/29, 5/3, 6/29, 7/5, 7/6, 7/8, 7/9, 7/14
    2005 - 9/15, 9/16
    2006 - 5/12
    2008 - 6/25
    2013 - 7/16
    2016 - 4/29, 8/7
    2018 - 9/4

  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,097
    KN219077 said:
    Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

    For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.
    Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

    Good point

    Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.
    Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 
    His eminence has yet to show. 
    http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
    1996 - 9/21, 9/28, 9/29
    1998 - 5/1, 8/22, 8/25, 8/26, 8/28, 9/8, 9/10, 9/11
    1999 - 10/30, 10/31 (left early due to flight grrr)
    2000 - 4/12, 8/4, 8/6, 8/23, 8/24, 8/25, 8/27
    2003 - 4/28, 4/29, 5/3, 6/29, 7/5, 7/6, 7/8, 7/9, 7/14
    2005 - 9/15, 9/16
    2006 - 5/12
    2008 - 6/25
    2013 - 7/16
    2016 - 4/29, 8/7
    2018 - 9/4

  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,097
    rummy said:
    PB11041 said:
    Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

    But many of those are not really shows

    RNR Induction = not a show
    9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
    Fallon 4x = not a show
    SNL 4x = not a show
    Letterman 5x = not a show
    The Who Honors = not a show 
    AOL Session = not a show

    There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.
    I see your point about the Bridge School shows but then would festival appearances count?
    Where they were the headliner?  Yes.  
    His eminence has yet to show. 
    http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
    1996 - 9/21, 9/28, 9/29
    1998 - 5/1, 8/22, 8/25, 8/26, 8/28, 9/8, 9/10, 9/11
    1999 - 10/30, 10/31 (left early due to flight grrr)
    2000 - 4/12, 8/4, 8/6, 8/23, 8/24, 8/25, 8/27
    2003 - 4/28, 4/29, 5/3, 6/29, 7/5, 7/6, 7/8, 7/9, 7/14
    2005 - 9/15, 9/16
    2006 - 5/12
    2008 - 6/25
    2013 - 7/16
    2016 - 4/29, 8/7
    2018 - 9/4

  • mrk2mrk2 FinlandPosts: 1,111
    If BSB is not counted, then what about Lollapalooza in 1992, they played less than 10 songs each night and were not headlining. How about opening for Neil Young or U2 in 1993, same thing ;) 
    225xxx - 6/28/00, 10/20/01, 10/22/01, 9/11/06, 9/22/06, 9/23/06, 6/18/07, 6/26/07, 8/15/09, 6/25/10, 6/30/10, 7/4/12, 7/5/12, 7/7/12, 7/10/12, 6/26/14, 6/28/14, 7/3/18, 7/5/18
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,260
    ed243421 said:
    # of performances?

    Or # of shows/concerts?

    what defines a show/concert?



    then you just have to agree on how many for each year 1990-2018


    If you ask me, and no one did,a show/concert would be a full set.
    A full set changes through time. Now 15 songs wouldn’t be a full set, but in 1992 it could pass for one.
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 5,614
    Performance or concert?

    tv shows
    record Store sets
    mtv awards set
    unplugged
    singles party
    monkeywrench/self pollution radio sets
    storytellers
    vh1 who honors show
    rrhof sets
    aol sessions
    target center
    oracle private show
    letterman show


    I think the unplugged, storytellers, Oracle, and letterman could be considered concerts




    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 7,660
    ed243421 said:
    Performance or concert?

    tv shows
    record Store sets
    mtv awards set
    unplugged
    singles party
    monkeywrench/self pollution radio sets
    storytellers
    vh1 who honors show
    rrhof sets
    aol sessions
    target center
    oracle private show
    letterman show


    I think the unplugged, storytellers, Oracle, and letterman could be considered concerts




    According to Webster’s all of the above qualify as a concert.  


    1996: Randall's Island 2
    1998: East Rutherford, MSG 1 & 2
    2000: Cincinnati, Columbus, Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3, Boston 1, Camden 1 & 2
    2003: Philadelphia, Uniondale, MSG 1 & 2, Holmdel
    2005: Atlantic City 1
    2006: Camden 1, East Rutherford 1 & 2
    2008: Camden 1 & 2, MSG 1 & 2, Newark(EV)
    2009: Philadelphia 1, 2, & 4
    2010: Newark, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Toronto 1
    2013: Wrigley Field, Brooklyn 2, Philadelphia 1 & 2, Baltimore
    2015: Central Park
    2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2, MSG 1 & 2, Fenway Park 2, MSG(TOTD)
    2017: Brooklyn(RnRHOF)
  • RS65573RS65573 Posts: 923
    It should included anything people paid to watch. AOL is not a concert unless someone paid to attend IMO.
  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 7,660
    RS65573 said:
    It should included anything people paid to watch. AOL is not a concert unless someone paid to attend IMO.
    Drop in the park?
    1996: Randall's Island 2
    1998: East Rutherford, MSG 1 & 2
    2000: Cincinnati, Columbus, Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3, Boston 1, Camden 1 & 2
    2003: Philadelphia, Uniondale, MSG 1 & 2, Holmdel
    2005: Atlantic City 1
    2006: Camden 1, East Rutherford 1 & 2
    2008: Camden 1 & 2, MSG 1 & 2, Newark(EV)
    2009: Philadelphia 1, 2, & 4
    2010: Newark, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Toronto 1
    2013: Wrigley Field, Brooklyn 2, Philadelphia 1 & 2, Baltimore
    2015: Central Park
    2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2, MSG 1 & 2, Fenway Park 2, MSG(TOTD)
    2017: Brooklyn(RnRHOF)
  • RS65573RS65573 Posts: 923
    on2legs said:
    RS65573 said:
    It should included anything people paid to watch. AOL is not a concert unless someone paid to attend IMO.
    Drop in the park?
    Id include it yes. Anything people attended is better way to say it, even if free.
    If im not mistaken, on AOL Sessions is Ed singing with headphones? That shouldnt count.
  • PB11041 said:
    KN219077 said:
    Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

    For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.
    Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

    Good point

    Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.
    Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 

    "Made" is definitely a good choice of words there, as PJs only release in 9 years, LB did a touch over half a million units sold iirc.

    They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.
  • Wow. I created a monster. I totally forgot about writing this thread and just popped back in. Well done. I love all our passion. I don't think you can consider the Late night or SNL circuit shows, but we need someone from the mothership to clear the air. Have great weekends spinning some fun stuff.

    Go Cougs.
  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,097
    PB11041 said:
    KN219077 said:
    Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

    For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.
    Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

    Good point

    Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.
    Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 

    "Made" is definitely a good choice of words there, as PJs only release in 9 years, LB did a touch over half a million units sold iirc.

    They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.
    My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.
    His eminence has yet to show. 
    http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
    1996 - 9/21, 9/28, 9/29
    1998 - 5/1, 8/22, 8/25, 8/26, 8/28, 9/8, 9/10, 9/11
    1999 - 10/30, 10/31 (left early due to flight grrr)
    2000 - 4/12, 8/4, 8/6, 8/23, 8/24, 8/25, 8/27
    2003 - 4/28, 4/29, 5/3, 6/29, 7/5, 7/6, 7/8, 7/9, 7/14
    2005 - 9/15, 9/16
    2006 - 5/12
    2008 - 6/25
    2013 - 7/16
    2016 - 4/29, 8/7
    2018 - 9/4

  • PB11041 said:
    PB11041 said:
    KN219077 said:
    Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

    For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.
    Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

    Good point

    Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.
    Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 

    "Made" is definitely a good choice of words there, as PJs only release in 9 years, LB did a touch over half a million units sold iirc.

    They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.
    My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.


    I agree. The internet claims each in the band is worth around $100 million. They have earned their youthful semi retirement 

    But father time moves fast. What has been a conscious decision the last 14 or so years to be a sometimes part time band, in a few years they each will be looking at a huge birthday milestone 

    Not soon after that, the decision to take it slow will no longer be voluntary. How many years after that can Mike solo like he does?

    Watching some of the 2018 shows, the joy Ed seems to have climbing into the crowd, their legacy of the live performance and everything related (boots, merch, rabid fans, posters etc.)...

    They would have noticed the clock ticking by now.
  • ZodZod Posts: 5,992
    edited November 2018
    PB11041 said:
    They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.
    My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.
    I always thought they were moderately wealthy.   They've generally toured less than other artists and charged less for tickets.    Some of that is made up by the ferocity of which we buy merch at live shows.  On the other hand I get the feeling they don't spend like other artists either.     The combination is probably why they can tour less than many other artists out there.
    Post edited by Zod on
  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,097
    Zod said:
    PB11041 said:
    They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.
    My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.
    I always thought they were moderately wealthy.   They've generally toured less than other artists and charged less for tickets.    Some of that is made up by the ferocity of which we buy merch at live shows.  On the other hand I get the feeling they don't spend like other artists either.     The combination is probably why they can tour less than many other artists out there.
    Yes
    His eminence has yet to show. 
    http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
    1996 - 9/21, 9/28, 9/29
    1998 - 5/1, 8/22, 8/25, 8/26, 8/28, 9/8, 9/10, 9/11
    1999 - 10/30, 10/31 (left early due to flight grrr)
    2000 - 4/12, 8/4, 8/6, 8/23, 8/24, 8/25, 8/27
    2003 - 4/28, 4/29, 5/3, 6/29, 7/5, 7/6, 7/8, 7/9, 7/14
    2005 - 9/15, 9/16
    2006 - 5/12
    2008 - 6/25
    2013 - 7/16
    2016 - 4/29, 8/7
    2018 - 9/4

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