Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't great.
you notice after my edit that I left those two songs you listed at the end out..haha...I thought this album was more rockish compared to BS so it was a breath of fresh air, but I get your point I think the Ed solo stuff has seaped in more with the band
Well, yeah, LB is better than BS, no thanks to the bad half of the album. I enjoy MYM, LB, Infallible, and a couple others, but they aren`t GREAT songs. There are no "masterpieces" on LB at all I don't think. Not even close. All of these albums before BS had some. They lost something in the past 10 years IMO. It's like their creative juices slowed to a trickle (that's what she said). I keep hoping they can get it back.
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Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't really great. Not compared to what they did before the Backspacer era. Dr. D mentioned creativity. YES, that is what they need to go back to. They need to get weirder, basically. More experimental, more unique in style. Like they used to do.
I feel that Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are the best albums since Yield. I absolutely love both of them. Backspacer is such a fun, punky record and Lightning Bolt for the most part is just great classic rock.
I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
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to me Backspacer IS experimental. Its mosty very accessible catchy rock tunes with two really good ballads. They were definitely aiming for that and theres nothing wrong with doing that when you still have your ideals. If a Target deal is selling out then you've had a hell of a career. Love that album more than anything theyve done after Yield.
i foresee an early 2018 release. they may hit the studio to break ground soon but 2017 is pretty full with other things. I'm guessing a huge 2018 Pearl Jam year
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Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't really great. Not compared to what they did before the Backspacer era. Dr. D mentioned creativity. YES, that is what they need to go back to. They need to get weirder, basically. More experimental, more unique in style. Like they used to do.
I feel that Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are the best albums since Yield. I absolutely love both of them. Backspacer is such a fun, punky record and Lightning Bolt for the most part is just great classic rock.
I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
Sorry man, that's just a bit of a stretch. Unthought Known and Lightning Bolt feel like recycled versions of one another. They strive to be anthemic rockers- but fizzle out. Sirens is a guilty pleasure of mine. I like the song but I don't think it's a good song. If that makes sense. Just Breathe...sigh. That damn song. I don't hate it because it was a hit. I hate the music, lyrics, production, vocal delivery and placement on the album. BS starts off on fire and then JB happens and the album doesn't recover. Alright, enough negativity from me. I think the band has another experimental type album in them. Acoustic and mellow like wilco just did? Could be interesting. Songs like Pendulum and Infallible could have been at home on Binaural. We aren't going to get No Code 2 or Yield 2. They've been done and this is a different band than 20 years ago. I think this is an interesting point for the band. They've grown into statesmen of rock and roll. They're there with Bruce and U2. Putting out massive, long chart life albums is unlikely. So, they can really push the envelope if they choose. Or they could kind of go into cruise control mode and churn out albums like the last two.
It must be pretty sad for those folk who spend every day writing here that they pretty much hate the last two studio albums.
I still really enjoy both, and still maintain that LB is an excellent record full of different styles and great melody
Amen. I don't care what anyone says, Backspacer is a sick album, some of the best sing-alongs the band has. LB is great, too.
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Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't really great. Not compared to what they did before the Backspacer era. Dr. D mentioned creativity. YES, that is what they need to go back to. They need to get weirder, basically. More experimental, more unique in style. Like they used to do.
I feel that Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are the best albums since Yield. I absolutely love both of them. Backspacer is such a fun, punky record and Lightning Bolt for the most part is just great classic rock.
I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
Sorry man, that's just a bit of a stretch. Unthought Known and Lightning Bolt feel like recycled versions of one another. They strive to be anthemic rockers- but fizzle out. Sirens is a guilty pleasure of mine. I like the song but I don't think it's a good song. If that makes sense. Just Breathe...sigh. That damn song. I don't hate it because it was a hit. I hate the music, lyrics, production, vocal delivery and placement on the album. BS starts off on fire and then JB happens and the album doesn't recover. Alright, enough negativity from me. I think the band has another experimental type album in them. Acoustic and mellow like wilco just did? Could be interesting. Songs like Pendulum and Infallible could have been at home on Binaural. We aren't going to get No Code 2 or Yield 2. They've been done and this is a different band than 20 years ago. I think this is an interesting point for the band. They've grown into statesmen of rock and roll. They're there with Bruce and U2. Putting out massive, long chart life albums is unlikely. So, they can really push the envelope if they choose. Or they could kind of go into cruise control mode and churn out albums like the last two.
Huge stretch. Binaural and Riot Act are sonically the 2 best 2000's records they've done.
Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't really great. Not compared to what they did before the Backspacer era. Dr. D mentioned creativity. YES, that is what they need to go back to. They need to get weirder, basically. More experimental, more unique in style. Like they used to do.
I feel that Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are the best albums since Yield. I absolutely love both of them. Backspacer is such a fun, punky record and Lightning Bolt for the most part is just great classic rock.
I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
Sorry man, that's just a bit of a stretch. Unthought Known and Lightning Bolt feel like recycled versions of one another. They strive to be anthemic rockers- but fizzle out. Sirens is a guilty pleasure of mine. I like the song but I don't think it's a good song. If that makes sense. Just Breathe...sigh. That damn song. I don't hate it because it was a hit. I hate the music, lyrics, production, vocal delivery and placement on the album. BS starts off on fire and then JB happens and the album doesn't recover. Alright, enough negativity from me. I think the band has another experimental type album in them. Acoustic and mellow like wilco just did? Could be interesting. Songs like Pendulum and Infallible could have been at home on Binaural. We aren't going to get No Code 2 or Yield 2. They've been done and this is a different band than 20 years ago. I think this is an interesting point for the band. They've grown into statesmen of rock and roll. They're there with Bruce and U2. Putting out massive, long chart life albums is unlikely. So, they can really push the envelope if they choose. Or they could kind of go into cruise control mode and churn out albums like the last two.
Huge stretch. Binaural and Riot Act are sonically the 2 best 2000's records they've done.
We usually agree on a lot but RA isn't one of them, I couldn't tell you the last time I listened to this album...the sad part is I think lyrically its one of the best albums but so dull that I cannot tolerate it
That's the only album that I cannot listen to at all as every other album has a purpose for me even the punky funky fresh Backspacer....I mean how can you not be put into a good mood with that album and then LB if you wanna drive 90mph while listening to Getaway, LB, and MYM
And I think Pendulum could have ended up on No Code, but your assessment isn't far off with it being on Yield
I think the one problem this band has suffered when it comes to albums is the 2nd half of an album gets lost in translation and loses fire from the first half, but that is only one fans opinion and I could be wrong
Riot Act is awesome. I would challenge anyone who doesnt like it to put it in their CD player and listen to it again. 10 times. It took me a minute to truly appreciate it. And i am a firm believer that "its all about WHEN the music hits you". Sometimes its after the first spin... sometimes 10 years later. I hated Jayhawks - Rainy Day Music the first three times I heard it....
I prefer other albums, sure, but Riot Act is great.
Binaural, riot act, and self titled just havent aged well for me. And i dont know why. If i put on Binaural or Riot Act its more to brig me back to those time periods of my life.
Backspacer i thought would be the most disposable PJ album ever but shit its so catchy and light that i can play it anytime.
Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't really great. Not compared to what they did before the Backspacer era. Dr. D mentioned creativity. YES, that is what they need to go back to. They need to get weirder, basically. More experimental, more unique in style. Like they used to do.
I feel that Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are the best albums since Yield. I absolutely love both of them. Backspacer is such a fun, punky record and Lightning Bolt for the most part is just great classic rock.
I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
To each their own. Binaural and Riot Act are PJ's best album IMO, so.... and S/T is in my top 5 too.
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Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't really great. Not compared to what they did before the Backspacer era. Dr. D mentioned creativity. YES, that is what they need to go back to. They need to get weirder, basically. More experimental, more unique in style. Like they used to do.
I feel that Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are the best albums since Yield. I absolutely love both of them. Backspacer is such a fun, punky record and Lightning Bolt for the most part is just great classic rock.
I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
Sorry man, that's just a bit of a stretch. Unthought Known and Lightning Bolt feel like recycled versions of one another. They strive to be anthemic rockers- but fizzle out. Sirens is a guilty pleasure of mine. I like the song but I don't think it's a good song. If that makes sense. Just Breathe...sigh. That damn song. I don't hate it because it was a hit. I hate the music, lyrics, production, vocal delivery and placement on the album. BS starts off on fire and then JB happens and the album doesn't recover. Alright, enough negativity from me. I think the band has another experimental type album in them. Acoustic and mellow like wilco just did? Could be interesting. Songs like Pendulum and Infallible could have been at home on Binaural. We aren't going to get No Code 2 or Yield 2. They've been done and this is a different band than 20 years ago. I think this is an interesting point for the band. They've grown into statesmen of rock and roll. They're there with Bruce and U2. Putting out massive, long chart life albums is unlikely. So, they can really push the envelope if they choose. Or they could kind of go into cruise control mode and churn out albums like the last two.
Huge stretch. Binaural and Riot Act are sonically the 2 best 2000's records they've done.
I agree.
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Yeah really. I don't think I can take another BS or LB kind of release.
What was wrong with LB? now BS I thought was too poppy and manufactured so I see your point there...I love how everyone has a different opinion so im actually curious
What was wrong with it is that I hate half the songs, haha. I really don't like this cheezy stuff they are doing now, like Sirens and Future Days and SBM, and LTRP is just plain bad. Even the good songs aren't really great. Not compared to what they did before the Backspacer era. Dr. D mentioned creativity. YES, that is what they need to go back to. They need to get weirder, basically. More experimental, more unique in style. Like they used to do.
I feel that Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are the best albums since Yield. I absolutely love both of them. Backspacer is such a fun, punky record and Lightning Bolt for the most part is just great classic rock.
I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
Sorry man, that's just a bit of a stretch. Unthought Known and Lightning Bolt feel like recycled versions of one another. They strive to be anthemic rockers- but fizzle out. Sirens is a guilty pleasure of mine. I like the song but I don't think it's a good song. If that makes sense. Just Breathe...sigh. That damn song. I don't hate it because it was a hit. I hate the music, lyrics, production, vocal delivery and placement on the album. BS starts off on fire and then JB happens and the album doesn't recover. Alright, enough negativity from me. I think the band has another experimental type album in them. Acoustic and mellow like wilco just did? Could be interesting. Songs like Pendulum and Infallible could have been at home on Binaural. We aren't going to get No Code 2 or Yield 2. They've been done and this is a different band than 20 years ago. I think this is an interesting point for the band. They've grown into statesmen of rock and roll. They're there with Bruce and U2. Putting out massive, long chart life albums is unlikely. So, they can really push the envelope if they choose. Or they could kind of go into cruise control mode and churn out albums like the last two.
Huge stretch. Binaural and Riot Act are sonically the 2 best 2000's records they've done.
I agree.
Ditto.
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Riot Act is awesome. I would challenge anyone who doesnt like it to put it in their CD player and listen to it again. 10 times. It took me a minute to truly appreciate it. And i am a firm believer that "its all about WHEN the music hits you". Sometimes its after the first spin... sometimes 10 years later. I hated Jayhawks - Rainy Day Music the first three times I heard it....
I prefer other albums, sure, but Riot Act is great.
I loved it when it was released, but just hasn't stood the test of time for me. Don't get me wrong, it's PJ so there's some great stuff on there (Can't Keep, LBC, You Are, All or None)...but it does have some of the most forgettable songs of their career on it...and I'm sorry, but I think Help, Help may be the worst song they've ever released on an album (a tie with Marker in the Sand off Avocado)
Riot Act is awesome. I would challenge anyone who doesnt like it to put it in their CD player and listen to it again. 10 times. It took me a minute to truly appreciate it. And i am a firm believer that "its all about WHEN the music hits you". Sometimes its after the first spin... sometimes 10 years later. I hated Jayhawks - Rainy Day Music the first three times I heard it....
I prefer other albums, sure, but Riot Act is great.
I loved it when it was released, but just hasn't stood the test of time for me. Don't get me wrong, it's PJ so there's some great stuff on there (Can't Keep, LBC, You Are, All or None)...but it does have some of the most forgettable songs of their career on it...and I'm sorry, but I think Help, Help may be the worst song they've ever released on an album (a tie with Marker in the Sand off Avocado)
Isn't it great how we have such wide and varied personal favourites...I love Marker! So much
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Riot Act is awesome. I would challenge anyone who doesnt like it to put it in their CD player and listen to it again. 10 times. It took me a minute to truly appreciate it. And i am a firm believer that "its all about WHEN the music hits you". Sometimes its after the first spin... sometimes 10 years later. I hated Jayhawks - Rainy Day Music the first three times I heard it....
I prefer other albums, sure, but Riot Act is great.
I loved it when it was released, but just hasn't stood the test of time for me. Don't get me wrong, it's PJ so there's some great stuff on there (Can't Keep, LBC, You Are, All or None)...but it does have some of the most forgettable songs of their career on it...and I'm sorry, but I think Help, Help may be the worst song they've ever released on an album (a tie with Marker in the Sand off Avocado)
Help, Help & Marker are 2 of my favorite PJ songs! TO each, their own...that's one of the things that's so great about PJ...people gravitate towards very different songs.
Help Help was pretty solid live back on the Riot Act tour. I don't get the love for Can't Keep. I can't say I like the full band version or the Ed solo version. Since 2000: Binaural > Riot Act > Lightning Bolt > Pearl Jam > Backspacer
It must be pretty sad for those folk who spend every day writing here that they pretty much hate the last two studio albums.
I still really enjoy both, and still maintain that LB is an excellent record full of different styles and great melody
Amen. I don't care what anyone says, Backspacer is a sick album, some of the best sing-alongs the band has. LB is great, too.
Agreed on all points. It always amazes me the amount of flack Just Breathe gets. I think it's one of the most beautiful songs they've ever written. Has a Vitalogy vibe to it.
It must be pretty sad for those folk who spend every day writing here that they pretty much hate the last two studio albums.
I still really enjoy both, and still maintain that LB is an excellent record full of different styles and great melody
Amen. I don't care what anyone says, Backspacer is a sick album, some of the best sing-alongs the band has. LB is great, too.
Agreed on all points. It always amazes me the amount of flack Just Breathe gets. I think it's one of the most beautiful songs they've ever written. Has a Vitalogy vibe to it.
Like I said I love the last two albums. So...Just Breathe since it was mentioned: Didn't like it at all for quite some time and it ended up growing on me. I thought it just sounded like an Ed leftover from Into the Wild and couldn't believe they released it as a single. Why I now think it's amazing:
- a lot of my family and my fiancé love the song and it's what got them into the band and had them dig deeper and realize how great this thing is
- listen to the words...Ed shines as a songwriter on this one. I'm a big Dylan guy, and this song is on par with genius lyrics. Not to sound too deep or cheesy, but if you've ever lost someone close to you this song is just...wow...am unbelievable song about death and how you can feel when it happens
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I'd consider songs like Unthought Known, Just Breathe, Lightning Bolt, and Sirens classics.
I'd pick these albums over anything off Avocado or Riot Act
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Alright, enough negativity from me. I think the band has another experimental type album in them. Acoustic and mellow like wilco just did? Could be interesting. Songs like Pendulum and Infallible could have been at home on Binaural. We aren't going to get No Code 2 or Yield 2. They've been done and this is a different band than 20 years ago.
I think this is an interesting point for the band. They've grown into statesmen of rock and roll. They're there with Bruce and U2. Putting out massive, long chart life albums is unlikely. So, they can really push the envelope if they choose. Or they could kind of go into cruise control mode and churn out albums like the last two.
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I still really enjoy both, and still maintain that LB is an excellent record full of different styles and great melody
LB is a wide mix of PJ sounds. One of their most "across the board" albums for sure.
BS is a great radio friendly rock album.
Theyre still changing things up for sure. About the only constant is starting off albums with a garage rocker.
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That's the only album that I cannot listen to at all as every other album has a purpose for me even the punky funky fresh Backspacer....I mean how can you not be put into a good mood with that album and then LB if you wanna drive 90mph while listening to Getaway, LB, and MYM
And I think Pendulum could have ended up on No Code, but your assessment isn't far off with it being on Yield
I think the one problem this band has suffered when it comes to albums is the 2nd half of an album gets lost in translation and loses fire from the first half, but that is only one fans opinion and I could be wrong
I prefer other albums, sure, but Riot Act is great.
Backspacer i thought would be the most disposable PJ album ever but shit its so catchy and light that i can play it anytime.
Huge stretch. Binaural and Riot Act are sonically the 2 best 2000's records they've done.
I agree these two albums are amazing!!
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I don't get the love for Can't Keep. I can't say I like the full band version or the Ed solo version.
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It always amazes me the amount of flack Just Breathe gets. I think it's one of the most beautiful songs they've ever written. Has a Vitalogy vibe to it.
So...Just Breathe since it was mentioned: Didn't like it at all for quite some time and it ended up growing on me. I thought it just sounded like an Ed leftover from Into the Wild and couldn't believe they released it as a single. Why I now think it's amazing:
- a lot of my family and my fiancé love the song and it's what got them into the band and had them dig deeper and realize how great this thing is
- listen to the words...Ed shines as a songwriter on this one. I'm a big Dylan guy, and this song is on par with genius lyrics. Not to sound too deep or cheesy, but if you've ever lost someone close to you this song is just...wow...am unbelievable song about death and how you can feel when it happens