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Best 2-night run? Philly '16?

kosteva2kosteva2 Posts: 286
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Anyone else think that the 2 Philly shows this tour among the best 2-night runs they've ever done?. A lot of overlap in the sets but each show was a very solid stand alone with night 2 being in the curtain conversation for best show ever. Night 1 seems to be in the top 20% or so for people who've seen a lot of shows. I was at the MSG run in '03, but this topped it. Maybe if you took Spectrum '09 nights 3 and 4 pretty close competition.
TFC '97, TFC '98, Pittsburgh '98, Camden I,II '98, Camden I,II '00, Pittsburgh '00, Philly '03, Camden I,II '03, MSG I,II '03, Hershey '03, Reading '04, Philly '05, Camden I,II '06, Meadowlands I '06, Camden I,II '08, DC '08, Spectrum I,II,III,IV '09, Made in America '12, Philly I,II '13, GCF '15, Philly I,II '16, MSG I '16, Apollo ‘22, MSG ‘22, Camden ‘22
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    jmug23jmug23 Posts: 778
    So funny how people are so concerned with how others rank or view the show they attended. Everybody wants to proclaim "their" show as the best ever. It's all totally subjective. We all have different experiences at every show, depending where you sat, which songs you prefer, etc. still cracks me up how people rank the best shows ever as if it were an objective fact :) glad you had a blast though!!
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    merlin401merlin401 Posts: 216
    Spectrum '09 III and IV were better. Both of those were all time greats.
    Jones Beach II (2000), Holmdel (2003), Camden 1, East Rutherford II, Gorge I, Gorge II (2006), MSG I, Boston II (2008), Spectrum II, Spectrum III, Spectrum IV (2009), MSG I, MSG II (2010), Prague (2012), Philly I (2013), Philly I, Philly II, Fenway I (2016), Fenway I (2018), MSG (2022)
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    1rogeraspain21rogeraspain2 Posts: 104
    edited April 2016
    jmug23 said:

    So funny how people are so concerned with how others rank or view the show they attended. Everybody wants to proclaim "their" show as the best ever. It's all totally subjective. We all have different experiences at every show, depending where you sat, which songs you prefer, etc. still cracks me up how people rank the best shows ever as if it were an objective fact :) glad you had a blast though!!

    Exactly!!! Glad when people enjoy their respective shows, but to rank them ... Please!

    No one has been to every show, and even if one had, ranking in terms of good, better, and best is almost completely subjective.
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    merlin401merlin401 Posts: 216
    edited April 2016
    jmug23 said:

    So funny how people are so concerned with how others rank or view the show they attended. Everybody wants to proclaim "their" show as the best ever. It's all totally subjective. We all have different experiences at every show, depending where you sat, which songs you prefer, etc. still cracks me up how people rank the best shows ever as if it were an objective fact :) glad you had a blast though!!

    This is very true. I only compare the shows I've been at. But even with a single show, you sometimes in the same thread hear people say "wow the crowd was so dead" and "I've never rocked out so hard" right next to each other. As an example: I was at Camden in 2006 and then the Gorge later in the year. I had SO MUCH MORE FUN at Camden. Where I was the crowd was insane, I could barely hear the band even though the setlist looks very very mundane now. Gorge had such an incredible looking setlist but the lawn was DEAD: people sat down in mass when Dirty Frank came on for god's sake. So yeah, very subjective.
    Jones Beach II (2000), Holmdel (2003), Camden 1, East Rutherford II, Gorge I, Gorge II (2006), MSG I, Boston II (2008), Spectrum II, Spectrum III, Spectrum IV (2009), MSG I, MSG II (2010), Prague (2012), Philly I (2013), Philly I, Philly II, Fenway I (2016), Fenway I (2018), MSG (2022)
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,846
    jmug23 said:

    So funny how people are so concerned with how others rank or view the show they attended. Everybody wants to proclaim "their" show as the best ever. It's all totally subjective. We all have different experiences at every show, depending where you sat, which songs you prefer, etc. still cracks me up how people rank the best shows ever as if it were an objective fact :) glad you had a blast though!!

    well said bud
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,532
    jmug23 said:

    So funny how people are so concerned with how others rank or view the show they attended. Everybody wants to proclaim "their" show as the best ever. It's all totally subjective. We all have different experiences at every show, depending where you sat, which songs you prefer, etc. still cracks me up how people rank the best shows ever as if it were an objective fact :) glad you had a blast though!!

    Agree. Somehow last night was the loudest show ever. But what about the 2010 MSG show? Or the Boston show where there was a 35 minute standing ovation between the first and second verse of Better Man? Or the Buenos Aires crowds....

    All shows are great, but of course some are more notable than others.
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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,611
    Philly 3 and 4 09... buffalo and state College 03 come to mind right away
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,532
    MSG 2003....
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    kosteva2kosteva2 Posts: 286
    jmug23 said:

    So funny how people are so concerned with how others rank or view the show they attended. Everybody wants to proclaim "their" show as the best ever. It's all totally subjective. We all have different experiences at every show, depending where you sat, which songs you prefer, etc. still cracks me up how people rank the best shows ever as if it were an objective fact :) glad you had a blast though!!

    Agree with you that people like to proclaim their show as best ever. Point of original post more to get perspective of others who've seen good runs to see where they think it stands. I've seen a lot of multi night runs, including some very popular pores and this one holds its own against them.

    Nothing wrong with ranking shows/tours. People do it all the time for bands like the Grateful Dead and Phish where there's also a pretty sizeable catalog of unique shows, and there are certain ones that have the rep of being all timers regardless if people saw them live.
    TFC '97, TFC '98, Pittsburgh '98, Camden I,II '98, Camden I,II '00, Pittsburgh '00, Philly '03, Camden I,II '03, MSG I,II '03, Hershey '03, Reading '04, Philly '05, Camden I,II '06, Meadowlands I '06, Camden I,II '08, DC '08, Spectrum I,II,III,IV '09, Made in America '12, Philly I,II '13, GCF '15, Philly I,II '16, MSG I '16, Apollo ‘22, MSG ‘22, Camden ‘22
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    CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 2,896
    Mansfield 7/2/03 and 7/3/03 were the first I thought of
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,846
    These two nights don't even come close to philly 3/4. Just my opinion of course.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,141
    Awesome shows for sure - but then again they're all awesome!
    www.cluthelee.com
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    MUZIKMUZIK Posts: 627
    Was @ both and no
    09.11.98, 08.24.00, 08.25.00, 04.30.03, 07.08.03, 07.08.03, 09.15.05, 09.16.05, 09.19.05, 09.30.05, 10.01.05, 05.12.06, 05.13.06, 05.25.06, 05.27.06, 05.28.06, 06.01.06, 06.03.06, 06.19.08, 06.20.08, 06.22.08, 06.24.08, 06.25.08, 06.27.08, 06.28.08, 06.30.08, 07.01.08, 08.05.08, 08.07.08, 10.27.09, 10.30.09, 10.31.09, 05.18.10, 05.20.10, 05.21.10, 10.15.13, 10.18.13, 10,19,13, 9.23.15, 9.26.15, 04.28.16, 04.29.16, 05.01.16, 05.02.16, 05.06.22, 05.07.22, 09.14.22
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,810
    Probably an unpopular decision here but I'm going PJ20
    severed hand thirteen
    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17

    LOOKING FOR A SINGLE TICKET TO MSG NIGHT 2

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    LiftedLifted Posts: 1,616
    merlin401 said:

    Spectrum '09 III and IV were better. Both of those were all time greats.

    Eh...I feel completely different. I was at those spectrum shows and i think last night blew both of them away. Pj 4/29 was the best Pearl Jam show Ive seen, and probably the second best show Ive ever seen period. Only to be topped by My Morning Jacket's epic 4 hour late night set at bonnaroo 2008 in the rain.
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    Who I AmWho I Am Posts: 645
    mcgruff10 said:

    These two nights don't even come close to philly 3/4. Just my opinion of course.

    Did you end up biting the bullet and going last night?
    02MAY2003 - State College, PA
    08JUL2003 - New York, NY (L@TG)
    14JUL2003 - Holmdel, NJ
    01OCT2004 - Reading, PA
    01OCT2005 - Atlantic City, NJ
    03OCT2005 - Philadelphia, PA
    27MAY2006 - Camden, NJ
    01JUN2006 - East Rutherford, NJ
    03JUN2006 - East Rutherford, NJ
    30SEP2009 - Universal City, CA
    09OCT2009 - San Diego, CA
    06JUL2011 - Long Beach, CA (EV)
    19JUL2013 - Wrigley Field, IL
    21OCT2013 - Philadelphia, PA
    22OCT2013 - Philadelphia, PA
    27OCT2013 - Baltimore, MD
    29APR2016 - Philadelphia, PA (TEN)
    05AUG2016 - Fenway Park, MA
    07AUG2016 - Fenway Park, MA
    27AUG2016 - Dana Point, CA (Ohana)
    18AUG2018 - Wrigley Field, IL
    20AUG2018 - Wrigley Field, IL
    18SEP2021 - Asbury Park, NJ
    14SEP2022 - Camden, NJ

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    merlin401merlin401 Posts: 216
    Lifted said:

    merlin401 said:

    Spectrum '09 III and IV were better. Both of those were all time greats.

    Eh...I feel completely different. I was at those spectrum shows and i think last night blew both of them away. Pj 4/29 was the best Pearl Jam show Ive seen, and probably the second best show Ive ever seen period. Only to be topped by My Morning Jacket's epic 4 hour late night set at bonnaroo 2008 in the rain.
    I'm not saying 4/29 might not be the best of the four buuuuut, I just think 4/29 and III and IV are significantly ahead of 4/28 (which was also really really good). But of course we don't have to have the same opinion!
    Jones Beach II (2000), Holmdel (2003), Camden 1, East Rutherford II, Gorge I, Gorge II (2006), MSG I, Boston II (2008), Spectrum II, Spectrum III, Spectrum IV (2009), MSG I, MSG II (2010), Prague (2012), Philly I (2013), Philly I, Philly II, Fenway I (2016), Fenway I (2018), MSG (2022)
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,846
    Who I Am said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    These two nights don't even come close to philly 3/4. Just my opinion of course.

    Did you end up biting the bullet and going last night?
    no I was at a wedding sober as a church mouse. argh. I shall never miss a philly show again.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    PJlivePJlive Earth Posts: 469
    LMFAO..
    9/1-9/2/2000 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    4/28/2003 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA
    5/3/2003 - Bryce Jordan Center, State College, PA
    7/5-7/6/2003 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    7/13/2003 - Hershey Park, Hershey, PA
    10/1/2004 - Sovereign Center, Reading, PA
    9/1/2005 - Gorge, George, WA
    10/03/2005 - Wachovia Center, Phila, PA
    5/27-5/28/2006 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    6/16/2008 - Columbia, SC
    6/19-6/20/2008 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    6/24-6/25 - Madison Square Garden
    10/28-10/31/2008 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA
    9/22/2012 - MidTown, Atlanta, GA
    10/21-10/22 - Wells Fargo Center, Phila, PA
    10/30/2013 - Charlotte, NC
    04/21/2016 - Columbia, SC
    ......
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    PJlivePJlive Earth Posts: 469
    Anyone that says Philly 16 was better than Spectrum 09 shows needs to slam their head in a car door. Nothing will EVER compete with the spectrum shows.
    9/1-9/2/2000 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    4/28/2003 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA
    5/3/2003 - Bryce Jordan Center, State College, PA
    7/5-7/6/2003 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    7/13/2003 - Hershey Park, Hershey, PA
    10/1/2004 - Sovereign Center, Reading, PA
    9/1/2005 - Gorge, George, WA
    10/03/2005 - Wachovia Center, Phila, PA
    5/27-5/28/2006 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    6/16/2008 - Columbia, SC
    6/19-6/20/2008 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
    6/24-6/25 - Madison Square Garden
    10/28-10/31/2008 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA
    9/22/2012 - MidTown, Atlanta, GA
    10/21-10/22 - Wells Fargo Center, Phila, PA
    10/30/2013 - Charlotte, NC
    04/21/2016 - Columbia, SC
    ......
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    ponner1usponner1us Posts: 736
    I was at Spectrum 3 and last night. I think last night was the better show. I am not slamming my head in a car door though. Whatever floats your boat. My top 3: Borgata II, 05, MSG II, '10
    Philly II, '16
    Journey Begins: 1992-08-15, Montage Mountain Performing Arts Center,
    Scranton, Pennsylvania

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    Dr. DelightDr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    edited April 2016
    None of these compare to the Philly(Camden) shows of '98, 00, and '03.
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
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    alive11alive11 Posts: 37
    MayDay10 said:

    Philly 3 and 4 09... buffalo and state College 03 come to mind right away

    State College was one of my favorites. I remember thinking how could they ever top it.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,846
    alive11 said:

    MayDay10 said:

    Philly 3 and 4 09... buffalo and state College 03 come to mind right away

    State College was one of my favorites. I remember thinking how could they ever top it.
    state college was amazing. I was somewhere in the first 10 rows. i wonder how long that show was.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    alive11alive11 Posts: 37
    mcgruff10 said:

    alive11 said:

    MayDay10 said:

    Philly 3 and 4 09... buffalo and state College 03 come to mind right away

    State College was one of my favorites. I remember thinking how could they ever top it.
    state college was amazing. I was somewhere in the first 10 rows. i wonder how long that show was.
    Not sure. I know it was about 36 songs..... And out of 25 shows, it's the only time I heard Release live.

    After missing out on tickets for last night, I would not be opposed to bring back the money order process. Hahaha
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    100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 8,507
    I think what's impressive and truly noteworthy is just how well this band can still blow us all out of the water with these setlists and their energy after all these years.
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
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    RG307469RG307469 Posts: 54
    I've been to 5 shows (2 more in the next 50 hours!) and I still consider MSG 2003 as THE best concert I've been to in my life of ANY band. And PJ agrees with me on that one, since they released night 1 as a commercial DVD!
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
    PJlive said:

    Anyone that says Philly 16 was better than Spectrum 09 shows needs to slam their head in a car door. Nothing will EVER compete with the spectrum shows.

    Spectrum 03 was better than both of those
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,846
    cp3iverson said:

    PJlive said:

    Anyone that says Philly 16 was better than Spectrum 09 shows needs to slam their head in a car door. Nothing will EVER compete with the spectrum shows.

    Spectrum 03 was better than both of those
    spectrum 03 was fucking good as hell. there were a lot of standout shows in 03
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    BizzzyBozzzyBizzzyBozzzy San Diego Posts: 388
    Agree with the 1st response, it's all subjective. That being said, neither of those two shows of the past few days is in my top 10. They were good PJ shows. I don't think the "album" shows will ever have the same flow and magic that a "regular" show will. Last two nights were good, fun shows.
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