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When exactly did PJ re-record old tunes for Lost Dogs?

ForceofNature101ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,190
edited November 2013 in The Porch
Dirty Frank, Wash, Alone, Drifting, Hard To Imagine, and Hold On all seem to be at the time recent recordings but I could never pinpoint the year they were recorded

Dirty Frank, Wash, Alone, and Hold On were all recorded in various forms in the early 90's (Hold On being the acoustic recording and the instrumental demos from that time) and a version of Hard to Imagine was included to a movie soundtrack yet none of these versions are included on Lost Dogs
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    mcgavinjmcgavinj Idaho Falls, ID, USA Posts: 311
    I don't think they we're re-recorded but probably just different takes from the same sessions. I don't know this for sure but that's my guess.
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    pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 470
    edited November 2013
    Out of the songs already heard before Lost Dogs was released, here are some of the band-aids applied. And all the ones with newly added parts were done, presumably, during or around the Riot Act sessions including "U", which can be distinguished for being the only song re-recorded by the entire band for Lost Dogs. Also, a few other Binaural outtakes have rough mix or basic tracks circulating but the ones on Lost Dogs are still culled from the original Binaural sessions.
    Alone: New vocals added to Ten era version, not the b-side for "Go"
    Undone: New guitar solo
    Hold On: New vocals. Note: A ten demo or rough mix exists that can be considered a completely separate version.
    Hard to Imagine: Original vocals from Vs. era. The Chicago Cab version has different vocals for the verses and chorus recorded maybe around No Code. The "Things were different..." portion is identical to the original, however.
    Footsteps: Added harmonica
    Wash: alt. version from same time period as the original
    Drifting: New vocals
    Dirty Frank: Deleted some vocals from the original that Ed probably felt embarrassed of (Shut your mouth!)
    Brother: New guitar, of course

    I'm sure there are other things but that's all I can remember right now.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    I don't really like the Lost Dogs versions of Alone, Dirty Frank, Wash, etc. Not sure why they rerecorded or overdubbed or did whatever they did for Lost Dogs because the original B-sides sounded fine. Same with the versions of Breath and SOLAT from the Rearviewmirror Greatest Hits being different (and not as good in my opinion) as the original versions from the Singles soundtrack. And "Brother" from the 2009 Ten reissue seems be a contemporary recording as well.
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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 6,908
    I think the Chicago Cab version of HTI was Vitalogy era.

    Alone is the only track from LD that really bothers me. I really prefer the b-side version.
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    PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,585
    U was also re-recorded.
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    pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 470
    Tim Simmons wrote:
    I think the Chicago Cab version of HTI was Vitalogy era.

    Alone is the only track from LD that really bothers me. I really prefer the b-side version.

    This was my source for HTI. Old interview with Jeff. The Chicago Cab version is still identical to the Lost Dogs except for vocals for the first half of the song. Maybe I should go back and listen to them again. I could be wrong.

    Well, there are definitely a couple of "Holy Grail" Pearl Jam tracks. "Hard To Imagine" was one for awhile.
    JA: We recorded it first during "Vs.," then again later on. I think it might have been "No Code." I think that's the version that ended up on [the soundtrack to the film] "Chicago Cab."
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,099
    I guess I'm the same way. I have my own folder full a b-sides, rarities, and live covers. I tend to prefer the original versions to the modified ones on lost dogs....

    Hard to Imagine, U, Footsteps etc... love the version off the original singles.
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    ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    ...Same with the versions of Breath and SOLAT from the Rearviewmirror Greatest Hits being different (and not as good in my opinion) as the original versions from the Singles soundtrack...

    Question... are you saying that there are THREE recorded versions of SOLAT? I.e. Singles, RVM, and Ten Re-issue? I had always assumed that the Singles and RVM versions where the same since I do not have the Singles soundtrack. Is the Singles version closer to the Ten reissue?
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,845
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    StinkfootStinkfoot Posts: 546
    ckravitz wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    ...Same with the versions of Breath and SOLAT from the Rearviewmirror Greatest Hits being different (and not as good in my opinion) as the original versions from the Singles soundtrack...

    Question... are you saying that there are THREE recorded versions of SOLAT? I.e. Singles, RVM, and Ten Re-issue? I had always assumed that the Singles and RVM versions where the same since I do not have the Singles soundtrack. Is the Singles version closer to the Ten reissue?

    Oh my lord!!!

    So the only studio versions of SOLAT that you know are the super slow Ten reissue and the weird overproduced vocal & guitar effects version on RVM?!

    You need to listen to the Singles version right now!

    I mean, literally stop whatever you are doing and go online or wherever and listen to the Singles version RIGHT NOW!!

    I kind of dig the vibe of the Ten reissue as it is obviously at the demo stage so that's cool but the RVM version of SOLAT is the only PJ recording of a song I know for a fact I will never ever listen to again.

    You are going to be bouncing when you hear the Singles version! :thumbup:
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,845
    Stinkfoot wrote:
    ckravitz wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    ...Same with the versions of Breath and SOLAT from the Rearviewmirror Greatest Hits being different (and not as good in my opinion) as the original versions from the Singles soundtrack...

    Question... are you saying that there are THREE recorded versions of SOLAT? I.e. Singles, RVM, and Ten Re-issue? I had always assumed that the Singles and RVM versions where the same since I do not have the Singles soundtrack. Is the Singles version closer to the Ten reissue?

    Oh my lord!!!

    So the only studio versions of SOLAT that you know are the super slow Ten reissue and the weird overproduced vocal & guitar effects version on RVM?!

    You need to listen to the Singles version right now!

    I mean, literally stop whatever you are doing and go online or wherever and listen to the Singles version RIGHT NOW!!

    I kind of dig the vibe of the Ten reissue as it is obviously at the demo stage so that's cool but the RVM version of SOLAT is the only PJ recording of a song I know for a fact I will never ever listen to again.

    You are going to be bouncing when you hear the Singles version! :thumbup:

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    VeddernarianVeddernarian Posts: 1,910
    They stunk-up Undone on Lost Dogs. The original was so cool with that bouncy fuzzy solo. Why do such a thing! I like the Lost Dogs Wash. I thought it may have been recorded recently because it sounded more like the 2003 live versions. I will still say that Holmdel 2003 is my favorite live version. As to the other post about SOLAT. He's right, you must hear the version from Singles. And that's the version they use as the basis for playing it live. I think Down is different too. I like the I am mine single version. The Austrailia I am mine version of Undone is killer.

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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    Stinkfoot wrote:
    ckravitz wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    ...Same with the versions of Breath and SOLAT from the Rearviewmirror Greatest Hits being different (and not as good in my opinion) as the original versions from the Singles soundtrack...

    Question... are you saying that there are THREE recorded versions of SOLAT? I.e. Singles, RVM, and Ten Re-issue? I had always assumed that the Singles and RVM versions where the same since I do not have the Singles soundtrack. Is the Singles version closer to the Ten reissue?

    Oh my lord!!!

    So the only studio versions of SOLAT that you know are the super slow Ten reissue and the weird overproduced vocal & guitar effects version on RVM?!

    You need to listen to the Singles version right now!

    I mean, literally stop whatever you are doing and go online or wherever and listen to the Singles version RIGHT NOW!!

    I kind of dig the vibe of the Ten reissue as it is obviously at the demo stage so that's cool but the RVM version of SOLAT is the only PJ recording of a song I know for a fact I will never ever listen to again.

    You are going to be bouncing when you hear the Singles version! :thumbup:

    Totally agree. Here ckravitz, here's the original versions of SOLAT and Breath from the Singles movie soundtrack. Everything stinkfoot said about SOLAT applies to Breath as well:

    http://depositfiles.com/files/rf32s4knj
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    DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,259
    U wasn't re-recorded, aside from eddie re-doing the vocals.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
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    ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    Stinkfoot wrote:
    ckravitz wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    ...Same with the versions of Breath and SOLAT from the Rearviewmirror Greatest Hits being different (and not as good in my opinion) as the original versions from the Singles soundtrack...

    Question... are you saying that there are THREE recorded versions of SOLAT? I.e. Singles, RVM, and Ten Re-issue? I had always assumed that the Singles and RVM versions where the same since I do not have the Singles soundtrack. Is the Singles version closer to the Ten reissue?

    Oh my lord!!!

    So the only studio versions of SOLAT that you know are the super slow Ten reissue and the weird overproduced vocal & guitar effects version on RVM?!

    You need to listen to the Singles version right now!

    I mean, literally stop whatever you are doing and go online or wherever and listen to the Singles version RIGHT NOW!!

    I kind of dig the vibe of the Ten reissue as it is obviously at the demo stage so that's cool but the RVM version of SOLAT is the only PJ recording of a song I know for a fact I will never ever listen to again.

    You are going to be bouncing when you hear the Singles version! :thumbup:

    Haha! Ok, I am downloading from Ledbetterman10's link right now. Thanks!
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    ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Totally agree. Here ckravitz, here's the original versions of SOLAT and Breath from the Singles movie soundtrack. Everything stinkfoot said about SOLAT applies to Breath as well:

    http://depositfiles.com/files/rf32s4knj

    Thank you! Just downloaded.... going to unpack and listen now! Thanks again!
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    SpencerSpencer Posts: 867
    edited November 2013
    The RVM version of State of Love and Trust is the original mix by Rick Parasher that you can briefly hear in the actual film. This wasn't commercially released until the RVM comp.

    The soundtrack CD has the same recording as remixed by Brendan O'Brien.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    ckravitz wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Totally agree. Here ckravitz, here's the original versions of SOLAT and Breath from the Singles movie soundtrack. Everything stinkfoot said about SOLAT applies to Breath as well:

    http://depositfiles.com/files/rf32s4knj

    Thank you! Just downloaded.... going to unpack and listen now! Thanks again!

    You're welcome. Enjoy, they're certainly the best versions of those two songs.
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    ForceofNature101ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,190
    Listening to Lost Dogs again, Wash still seems like a post-98 take both instrumentally and especially vocally

    Alone - it sounds indeed like someone here said that they took the instrumental performance from the first take (the non-Go single studio version) and added new vocals and were able to remix the tune so it sounded modern. The guitar parts and drum fills are exactly the same

    Dirty Frank sounds like the instrumental is the same take but the mix was heavily altered so it sounds more modern for 2003 standards and heavier like Alone and again with more 'recent' vocals

    Now I am curious as to when those vocals were recorded? I am guessing 2003 or near the release of the album although I do like these vocals more than the takes on the songs on Riot Act
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    Dr.BrainwaveDr.Brainwave Posts: 139
    DPrival78 wrote:
    U wasn't re-recorded, aside from eddie re-doing the vocals.
    I actually disagree, to me it sounds much different.
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    DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,259
    Dr.Brainwave wrote:
    DPrival78 wrote:
    U wasn't re-recorded, aside from eddie re-doing the vocals.
    I actually disagree, to me it sounds much different.

    the mix is different, and that little toy-piano-sounding part (for lack of a better description) is audible in the chorus, but i'm pretty sure it's the same recording with new vox from eddie.

    i know the liner notes say matt played drums on it, but i swear that's a mistake. that is jack, and i'm almost positive that it's the same drum track as the original.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
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    spivedspived Posts: 107
    SOLAT is my fav PJ song. Because of this, I did a lame research:

    http://www.theskyiscrape.com/2009/04/ob ... trust.html

    I need to read the book again from Singles soundtrack and the rvm compilation. I read somewhere that the rvm version is the version they used to the film, when Linda goes to the club with her friend and they dance SOLAT.

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    JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,217
    pleatherman wrote:
    Dirty Frank: Deleted some vocals from the original that Ed probably felt embarrassed of (Shut your mouth!)

    Say it aint so! :lol::lol:
    evenflow82 wrote:
    PJ is turning into George Lucas.

    :lol::lol::lol:
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    scratched vinylscratched vinyl Posts: 742
    I was wondering the same thing about the Ten reissue version of Brother, which doesn't hold a candle to the original demo version. Even though sonically it's much cleaner sounding, Ed's delivery is weak compared to the original, and the added fade out kills me, especially since the original ending was amazing. I still take the demo version over the reiisue version every time.
    I think Alone suffered the most on Lost Dogs from the original.
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    scratched vinylscratched vinyl Posts: 742
    spived wrote:
    SOLAT is my fav PJ song. Because of this, I did a lame research:

    http://www.theskyiscrape.com/2009/04/ob ... trust.html

    I need to read the book again from Singles soundtrack and the rvm compilation. I read somewhere that the rvm version is the version they used to the film, when Linda goes to the club with her friend and they dance SOLAT.

    Seeya!
    spived

    Hey thanks for sharing. Pretty cool. I didn't realize the Krusen version is on the reissue. Have to respectfully disagree with Jeff though, the Dave A version destroys the original.
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    Dr.BrainwaveDr.Brainwave Posts: 139
    DPrival78 wrote:
    Dr.Brainwave wrote:
    DPrival78 wrote:
    U wasn't re-recorded, aside from eddie re-doing the vocals.
    I actually disagree, to me it sounds much different.

    the mix is different, and that little toy-piano-sounding part (for lack of a better description) is audible in the chorus, but i'm pretty sure it's the same recording with new vox from eddie.

    i know the liner notes say matt played drums on it, but i swear that's a mistake. that is jack, and i'm almost positive that it's the same drum track as the original.
    I stand corrected. I really don't like the Lost Dogs version compared to the Wishlist version. I have no clue why Eddie thought he needed to redo the vocals, to me they seem to have more power in the original version, they also seem to have a distorted effect which is pretty cool. I also do not appreciate the toy piano sounding part you were referring to. :lol:
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    77777777 Idaho Posts: 146
    DPrival78 wrote:
    U wasn't re-recorded, aside from eddie re-doing the vocals.

    As a drummer and a fan of Jack, the drums in the Lost Dogs version of U are not Jack! Close but no sitar.
    Liner notes state Matt. It is Matt. Compare the two versions.
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    javis el errantejavis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,136
    scratched vinyl wrote:
    I was wondering the same thing about the Ten reissue version of Brother, which doesn't hold a candle to the original demo version. Even though sonically it's much cleaner sounding, Ed's delivery is weak compared to the original, and the added fade out kills me, especially since the original ending was amazing. I still take the demo version over the reiisue version every time.
    I think Alone suffered the most on Lost Dogs from the original.

    The LD version of Brother is OK, I like the Ten reissue better because of the lyrics, but the fade out is a buzz killer... is there any other version? can I get the demo version from gremmie?
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    DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    pleatherman wrote:
    Tim Simmons wrote:
    I think the Chicago Cab version of HTI was Vitalogy era.

    Alone is the only track from LD that really bothers me. I really prefer the b-side version.

    This was my source for HTI. Old interview with Jeff. The Chicago Cab version is still identical to the Lost Dogs except for vocals for the first half of the song. Maybe I should go back and listen to them again. I could be wrong.

    Well, there are definitely a couple of "Holy Grail" Pearl Jam tracks. "Hard To Imagine" was one for awhile.
    JA: We recorded it first during "Vs.," then again later on. I think it might have been "No Code." I think that's the version that ended up on [the soundtrack to the film] "Chicago Cab."

    Which version is the one where he says "40 shades of gray" instead of "only gray" ?
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,141
    Check out Orpheum 94' HTI for further confusion.
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