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is Charlottesville a top 20 all time show?

Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
edited November 2013 in The Porch
title of the thread is the question
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    on2legson2legs Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,420
    My favorite thing about this board is the absence of hyperbole.
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    TamaDrummer91TamaDrummer91 VA Posts: 1,289
    Cannot say that with certainty. But out of my 5 shows, it was by far the best. I went to Bonnaroo 08, so I think that says something for most. Charlotte this year on the other hand, probably will always be my least favorite PJ show and experience.
    2008: Bonnaroo
    2010: Bristow
    2012: Atlanta
    2013: Charlottesville, Charlotte
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Greenville, Hampton, Raleigh (cancelled), Columbia, Lexington

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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    on2legs wrote:
    My favorite thing about this board is the absence of hyperbole.
    :lol:
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    veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    Difficult to say Hank if you weren't there? Looks like a great setlist and many people probably left the building feeling like it was the best ever (haven't we all?) but without trying to belittle Lightning Bolt which I feel is a pretty decent album after 23 years, not for me. The top 20 PJ shows probably all occurred before Backspacer at least although many people will always stake a claim for their show. It's all about personal opinion and I can think of nearly 20 shows from the Binaural tour alone that for me at least are difficult to top. Add some classic 90's shows and they surely hit all their high water marks long before Avocado even? You need to split PJ's shows into separate decades now and for this decade alone Charlottesville is a definite contender to stake a claim as a top show but overall I think it is miles behind. Two rows back from Mike and I might have been singing it's praises as the best gig that ever happened but it just looks like a really good show!
    Like a book among the many on a shelf...

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    serpent boyserpent boy Virginia Beach Posts: 372
    We'd have to check with some folks who've been to 100+ shows, but of the 16 I've seen, it was the second best (only behind Philly 3 in 2009) and definitely felt special.
    00: Va Beach, 03: Bristow, 04: Reading, 05: Atlantic City 2x
    06: Camden, Washington DC, 08: Va Beach, Washington DC
    09: Philly 2+3, 10: Bristow, 11: East Troy PJ20 1+2, 13: Baltimore, Charlottesville
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    I will have to hear the boot, I subtracted the Lightning Bolt songs, and thought how stoked to hear so many of those songs that are from the previous albums
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    PJ-CubsPJ-Cubs Posts: 3,293
    No.

    The band did not play Unthought Known. :D:D
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    Grand Rapids 06 the best of all time 50 plus shows!
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    PJ-Cubs wrote:
    No.

    The band did not play Unthought Known. :D:D
    the greatest fuckin song ever :D
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    RB307584 wrote:
    Grand Rapids 06 the best of all time 50 plus shows!

    i was at this show and it was amazing. so much so that every show i went to after fell so far behind it...until pittsburgh this year, which i put up there with GR 06.

    and, seeing the setlists and reading the reviews of the recent concerts, it just seems like the band is on a different level this tour, which is amazing after 20+ years.

    i think we can all agree that every show is a special experience for the attendees of that particular show.

    the only way to really know where shows rank against others is to have attended them all, and even then it is still subjective...
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    Great show and incredible setlist but No. It was better than Wrigley and PJ20 imo though. I just think we're all going crazy because the setlists are great and they sound better than they ever have. They could be in their prime right now on stage.

    I've been to 30+ shows and I'd say it's top 12. I've been to a lot of Northeast and Gorge shows. Brooklyn 2 this tour is creeping up on me as top 3 for me ever. MSG 2 '10 is still God.
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    edited November 2013
    Release
    In My Tree
    Go
    Why Go
    I Am Mine
    Faithfull
    Wishlist
    Down
    The End
    Thumbing My Way
    Sleight Of Hand
    Footsteps
    Sad
    Breath
    Little Wing full version


    if I was at a show and even got to hear even 5 of them I would be pretty jacked up







    and
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    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04
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    Probably close to that mark. It was better than Columbia 08, Det 2 '03, and possibly better than Grand Rapids 06. I don't think it was better than Chicago '00 given the context.

    C'Ville could def be considered top 20
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    SwBkRn44SwBkRn44 Posts: 232
    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04

    I think you certainly need to add MSG I to your list from 2003.
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    DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,412
    edited November 2013
    SwBkRn44 wrote:
    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04

    I think you certainly need to add MSG I to your list from 2003.


    Among others. Several shows on that tour were just insane. Some more from 2000 as well, Katowice, Seattle, Boise..And there has to be a VFC show on there.

    I remember watching some of those 03 setlists roll in and it was pretty mindblowing from night to night the way they would mix it up. I've been following sets this tour and it just doesn't have the same effect. They may be playing more songs, but the peaks and valleys of the setlists are very similar.

    I haven't seen them for a couple years, but I'm gonna disagree that they're sounding the best they ever have. They set a pretty high standard from 98-04.

    I'd honestly drop the first PJ show off I know it has alot of historical significance for the band, but I doubt it was among the greatest shows.
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    Charlottesville was my 16th show and it is way up the list. Not going to rank em all but I would put it in the top 3

    1 and 2 are a tie with the VIC and Philly 4
    Columbus 00, Cleveland 03, Columbus 03, Hershey 03, Toledo 04, Grand Rapids 04, Asheville 04, Kitchener 05, Cleveland 06, Cincinnati 06, VIC 07, Philly night 4 09, Columbus 10, Cleveland 10, Pitt 13, Charlottesville 13, Cincinnati 14, St. Louis 14
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,810
    Based on setlist alone- I don't think so. But I was not there and want to hear the bootleg.
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    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
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    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04

    You also need to add the 3 Gorge shows is 2005 and 2006 to the list.
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    CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 2,896
    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04

    You've got to have some Yield Tour shows in there.

    3-5-98 Melbourne
    9-11-98 MSG
    9-16-98 Mansfield

    Just to name 3.
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,810
    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04

    You've got to have some Yield Tour shows in there.

    3-5-98 Melbourne
    9-11-98 MSG
    9-16-98 Mansfield

    Just to name 3.

    Lost in Ohio I know that you did not intend to make a complete list here, but I must mention that there were some amazing shows in 2006 and Hartford 2008 deserves consideration as well.
    severed hand thirteen
    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17

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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04


    that list is severely lacking many of the all time shows.
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    BinFrog wrote:
    Here are shows that stand out in my mind:

    1990
    10/22/1990

    1994
    Atlanta

    1995
    6/20/1995 Red Rocks II
    7/11/1995 Soldier Field

    1996
    9/29/1996 - Randall's Island

    2000
    Las Vegas
    Jones Beach (maybe...at least the "it's ok" tag was fantastic!)
    Virginia Beach...nuff said, right?
    10/30/2000 - Alpine Valley

    2003
    May-whenever it was..too lazy to look it up...State College.
    10/22 - Benaroyal Hall
    10/28 - TOTD Reunion

    2009
    10/30 Philly 3
    10/31 Philly 4

    2010
    MSG - Slow Lukin!

    2011
    9/3/04
    9/4/04


    that list is severely lacking many of the all time shows.

    Come on they listed 1 show of the 250+ played between 91-94.

    SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
    Mexico=1, Colombia=1 

    Upcoming:  Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2


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    wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Ive seen only one show..C'Ville..Im far from a PJ expert but what I experienced was incredible..the venue..the crowd..the unreal sound of this show..oh..and the setlist ;) missing a few faves ( crown/hiding/mary) and a few more..(edit) forgot the band energy..amazing..they were feeling it.
    Its been 3 days and I'm still recovering.
    Charlottesville 2013
    Hampton 2016

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    RB307584 wrote:
    Grand Rapids 06 the best of all time 50 plus shows!

    Without a doubt, my favorite crazy Mary
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    matt770matt770 Posts: 134
    Best show for me out of 25. Mostly culminating in the acoustic set because the sound in that place was just unbelievable and those 5 particular songs are very meaningful, but you add in the rarities and just the overall flow, and the energy of the band, and it was just a night I'll never forget.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,887
    Is it in your top 20? Really that is all that matters.
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    Charlottesville was my 12th show. I've been fortunate to see others mentioned here, Wrigley and Va. Beach 2000. I also saw the Vancouver 2011 show which, until C-ville, was my favorite. That said, and I know it's fun to debate these things, but there's so much that goes into the experience at a show it's impossible to rank them objectively. In this case, I met some really cool people at this show, it was a beautiful day to be waiting outside for GA. We had fun stories to tell from all parts of the day. I had my daughter with me and we got on the rail right in front of Eddie and Stone. My daughter got two picks from Ed and a point and a wave from Mike. After that they could have played Bieber covers all night and I would have been happy. :D

    But, it sure as heck seemed like the band was ON and the crowd was hyped. When they played Breath and State of Love and Trust back-to-back to open the 3rd set it sure felt like the place was in a frenzy. Getting Mother and Baba was way f-ing cool - especially when they teased us before Baba with "Over the Hills and Far Away."

    Bottom line is that I walked away with an incredible high and memories I will share with my daughter for a lifetime. I happen to be fortunate enough to have a daughter who shares my passion for the band. When you are standing front row (a first for both of us) with a fatherly hand bracing your daughter's shoulder listening to a song like Release ... it makes your eyes a little moist. The fact that there is a conversation about just how epic this show was makes me happy to be able to say we were there.
    Columbus (3-31-92), (5-6-10)
    Cleveland (7-29-92)
    VA Beach (8-3-00), (6-17-08)
    DC (7-1-03), (6-22-08)
    Camden (5-28-06)
    Bristow (5-13-10)
    Vancouver (9-25-11)
    Wrigley (7-19-13)
    Charlottesville (10-29-13)
    Seattle (12-6-13)
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    Even with that awesome setlist I couldn't even imagine that show topping Brooklyn 2 or Hartford.
    2006: Hartford
    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,810
    Even with that awesome setlist I couldn't even imagine that show topping Brooklyn 2 or Hartford.

    Or maybe Philly 1 too
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    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17

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