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Probably in the minority, but...Poster Rant
Quick Rant:
I buy the posters for the shows that I go to b/c I think it is a fun thing to have a wall in my basement that highlights some good times I have had seeing this amazing band. I find it terribly frustrating that these posters are treated as fine pieces of art. How does something that probably costs $1 to print get turned into something that someone can ask $300 for??? Obviously, the answer is supply and demand. Hence my frustration. If an item is not allowed to turn into a holy grail - then the flipping market ceases to exist.
The current poster environment is currently not fun to me (simply my opinion). I love seeing what amazing designs they will have; only to be shot down, b/c even if I put in the effort and wait for hours on end in a merch line, there is nothing there for me to buy. Sometimes this is b/c some chump who is not even going to the show buys 4 of everything just to try to make a buck on ebay. Or, b/c I was not on my computer at an exact moment the remnants went on sale.
Bottom line - either start limiting what people can buy, or just make the posters always available, at the show, after the show. Hell, I would even be willing to pay a premium for the right to get a poster after the show, or be able to order one before, etc. etc. I am not a collector, just think it would be cool to have the shows I have been to, rather than see 100's on Ebay after the fact for absurd prices. This is obviouly being driven by Wrigley. Sorry - but it has been eating at me.
I buy the posters for the shows that I go to b/c I think it is a fun thing to have a wall in my basement that highlights some good times I have had seeing this amazing band. I find it terribly frustrating that these posters are treated as fine pieces of art. How does something that probably costs $1 to print get turned into something that someone can ask $300 for??? Obviously, the answer is supply and demand. Hence my frustration. If an item is not allowed to turn into a holy grail - then the flipping market ceases to exist.
The current poster environment is currently not fun to me (simply my opinion). I love seeing what amazing designs they will have; only to be shot down, b/c even if I put in the effort and wait for hours on end in a merch line, there is nothing there for me to buy. Sometimes this is b/c some chump who is not even going to the show buys 4 of everything just to try to make a buck on ebay. Or, b/c I was not on my computer at an exact moment the remnants went on sale.
Bottom line - either start limiting what people can buy, or just make the posters always available, at the show, after the show. Hell, I would even be willing to pay a premium for the right to get a poster after the show, or be able to order one before, etc. etc. I am not a collector, just think it would be cool to have the shows I have been to, rather than see 100's on Ebay after the fact for absurd prices. This is obviouly being driven by Wrigley. Sorry - but it has been eating at me.
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Exactly. Once you realize that whether or not you get a poster has (or should have) no effect on your memory or enjoyment of the show experience, it won't bother you as much. Posters and PJ merch in general have become a circus. Stop caring/overpaying and enjoy the only thing that really matters...the music.
Posters for Sale: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/117469/posters-for-sale
T-Shirts for Sale: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/149289/pj-t-shirt-trade-or-sale
If you win 10c tix, you also get the poster (if you opt in).
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You kind of answered your own question.
The premium is not for the manufacturing cost, but for the human creativity behind each piece.
Having said that: PRESALE THE FUCKING POSTERS ALREADY!!!! This secondary market nonsense is horsepucky.
I don't know what "horsepucky" is, but I imagine it's something that secondary market nonsense does not want to be likened to.
The above link is a petition to bring back the presale on the posters.
I only collect posters to the shows i go to as well. I have been successful so far but would hate to miss out on future sales.
I like F5AgainstOne's idea of the tix and poster option.
Imagine the freedom not having to worry about this at a show.
Yep, I would probably buy 1 from all the shows I attend.
It would be cool to see the artwork before purchase, but surprises are fun!
Even if they were $40, not having to worry about the poster at the show would be worth it..
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
I am actually concerned with GA, that because they will enter earlier or be around posters sales outside, that me with my Reserve sheets is going to be shut out..
It's okay if the artist editions are a little bit more expensive, but yeah, 300 $ is ridiculous. But so is 800, 900, 1000 for a vinyl album :roll:
exactly... no pressure relaxing having a drink and checking out the opener. As shows start roughly 7-8ish and most people get off at 5ish then drive various distances to get to the show, get in line for a poster, miss out on everything else...etc.
see this sucks... $300 a week later is insane.
This is genius. I fully support this idea.
Plus 1 for this and the OP's post. I am tired of being shut out or having to go to the show at noon to get a poster to hang on the wall. There is a better way, make it happen 10 Club!
I do think it's gotten better. The Seattle '09 shows seem to have a plethora of posters and didn't seem to run out. I figured the runs must be larger now than in the past. (which is probably why the value on more recent posters is less than older ones where they only printer 250 or 500 per show.. ie the '98/'00 tours).
I guess the band has to find balance. If they over-saturate the market they might not get 20 or 30 dollars for posters anymore. They probably want to keep them somewhat limited to create the demand for them.
I also dispute the $1/each thing. There must be an additional portion that covers the artists work (ie intellectual property). It's like people saying a dvd only costs 50 cents to make which disregards the hundreds of millions they spent to make the movie that pressed on the dvd. Yah the dvd is overpriced, but it did cost more than 50 cents to make it. There's always a cost to create a product. Smartphone's would be a whole lot cheaper if they didn't have to shell out all that cash for R&D
It is not $1 to create a poster, Here is a basic price guide
http://www.dlscreenprinting.com/pricing-guide/
And this does not take into consideration other sizes, specialty papers, specialty inks, etc.
I would be ok to be forced to buy a concert specific t shirt if it meant getting the poster.
There must have been one, if as you all seem to suggest, that this is an advantage and/or a better way to keep fans happy and increase sales, then to do not do it seems odd.
If they have provided a reason, have you looked at and considered this?
I guess, I am not a collector, I buy stuff if I like it, I do have most of the posters of shows I've attended and where I haven't it is because I have chosen not to buy it. Certainly at any of the shows I've gone to (mainly in Europe with proper GA floors) I have never had a problem getting a poster. Also, we've kind of worked together, if a friend is going to pick up tickets, they'll pick up a poster for me and then we'll stick it in the hotel room etc before going to the pub then onto the show. If not I've picked it up when going in and given it to a friend who has seated tickets to look after or kept it with me in GA. At PJ20 we went inside and had a look around then went to see Brad K to get a poster, there was no particular rush or urgency. As far GA goes, I think I've only ever used early entry twice, the pub is far more attractive, and those queuing all day will have their poster buying planned meticulously
I know a couple of occasions when after the show people have regretted not buying a poster, and not been able to get one from Merch at the end of a show so they have then gone down the AP route or 10C sale route, but I've only had to do this once (I got it from 10C) Maybe I have been lucky :?
It certainly seems like prior to 2008 there were far fewer posters made available for sale than now.
Wrigley I think is completely different, it was made very clear that there was a show specific merchandise horde of gooodies, multiple tees, posters etc. This probably could have been handled better in terms of availabilty. But for regular shows I've not seen it be an issue.
2012 - Manchester i & ii, Berlin i & ii, Stockholm. 2014 - Amsterdam i & ii, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Leeds, Milton Keynes.
2016 - Boston Fenway i & ii, 2018 - Amsterdam i & ii, Pinkpop, London i & ii, Padova, Krakow, Barcelona, Seattle i & ii.
The number of each poster created for each concert these days must be insane. I'd like to think the fan club has gained some experience on how many to have made based on venue size, ticket sales, and overall fan club desire. However, it's probably very far from an exact science. Sometimes they have too many made (look at the posters for sale her in the SHOP) and sometimes they don't have enough made (posters that have actually sold out).
I don't think anyone should base their concert experience on whether or not they got a poster at the show. I also dont think anyone should spend the majority of their pre-concert time in line for a poster and/or other merchandise. There has to be a happy medium somewhere in there for everyone. What that is, I have no clue.
My colllection contains posters from every PJ concert I've attended as well as every EV solo show I've attended. That means it ranges from my favorite 2000 Chicago Blackie poster all the way down to the "nobody wants it" 2011 Eddie Vedder St. Louis poster. I've been lucky enough to have bought a lot of my older posters at the venues back in the 1990's. I know that's not the case for a lot of people. But I've also had to pay 2ndary market prices for some of the more recent posters in my collection. That said, poster collecting (or any type of collecting) shouldn't be about the monetary value of the item. It should be about the memories and/or happiness the poster/item brings to the collector.
I've probably gotten off track and don't really know where I'm going with all of this. I just hope that everyone who wants a poster can get it at a reasonable price. I think the fan club does the best it can with their efforts. Like everything, there is unfortunately no perfect system.
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the day after the show..
open a week period to preorder the poster..as many a member want..or up to two..what ever
after a week..close preorders.print as many poster members as the orders..and thats all..
the one miss it,its their fault..all will know can get the poster..and u kill the secondary market..
and as for that idea with check at a box during ticket sale ,well i dont agree.cos.you cant order something before u aee how it looks and maybe alot want the poster but will not be at the show.
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I meant it more in sarcasm. Instead of posters, all you get to buy is is a PDF of it. No posters will be sold, pre-sale, at show, post show. PDF only. Print at home.
It is getting out of control, they can't have unlimited everything.
Again, what about the second poster for the second ticket??[/quote]
No...imo 1 poster for the 10C member purchasing the ticket.
no need to make this difficult