Even Flow - move to encore Yes or No?

pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,411
edited August 2013 in The Porch
So in the Even Flow thread a few of us said maybe move this song to the encore. Maybe as far back as replacing RITFW. I know some say they've heard it enough but I think it would re-energize the song, especially since it still rocks. What do people think, more it to the encore, yes or no?
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  • fox_mulderXfox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    I think Even Flow should be retired. Ed's vocals can't handle it anymore and Mike's solos have turned into jam sessions. It hasn't sounded good since 2000 and it gets worse every year.
  • PapPap Serres, GreecePosts: 20,860
    As long as they bring back Matt's solo alongside the "Wah"! intro, I don't mind where it will be placed.
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPROPosts: 135,947
    in love it as opener,as last sond,in the main set,in the encore

    should play it at every show
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  • pbultimatepbultimate Posts: 250
    Too many bladders won't make it to the encore :roll:

    I was fortunate to hear this song as an opener and it was crazy. Very unexpected and fun. Pittsburgh 2003 maybe?
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan MarylandPosts: 9,339
    They should open with it sometime, like the Pittsburgh 2000 version
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  • NamiNami NewfoundlandPosts: 5,715
    no...too high energy of a song to close with imo. Crowd fav that should be in the middle after a slower song to kick the crowd in the nuts and get going again.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 9,764
    It could definitely be in the encore, and I don't really see why it couldn't.


    Far as how they play it....
    EV does struggle with it at times and I've never thought it was a particularly taxing song on the vox. It's also missing the groove and heaviness that makes it such a great song.

    It's easy to see the problem with it...it's way too fast. Slow it back down so Ed can catch his breath and magically the groove will return.

    Regardless of setlist placement, keep the drumo solo out of it. It's tacky and forced in a place it doesn't fit.
  • pbultimate wrote:
    Too many bladders won't make it to the encore :roll:

    I was fortunate to hear this song as an opener and it was crazy. Very unexpected and fun. Pittsburgh 2003 maybe?

    i believe that was Pitt 2000. The same show where they brought the "Wash Girl" on stage.

    Also Even Flow was in the encore slot during the '96 tour and it ruled!
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost CompanionsPosts: 1,725
    i agree with dimitri
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost CompanionsPosts: 1,725
    those who have a comment/complaint about evenflow....know your role, get over yourselves...
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  • NamiNami NewfoundlandPosts: 5,715
    law21 wrote:
    those who have a comment/complaint about evenflow....know your role, get over yourselves...

    Rock is that you? :lol:
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 9,764
    Nami wrote:
    law21 wrote:
    those who have a comment/complaint about evenflow....know your role, get over yourselves...

    Rock is that you? :lol:

    :lol:


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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost CompanionsPosts: 1,725
    how many times have you seen evenflow dewie???......IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY TIMES.....KNOW YOUR ROLE AND_____________!!!!!!

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  • I agree with Dimitri also.

    Just hoping that they slow Even Flow down back to where it started tempo-wise...
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  • Yeah sure. Alternate between it and Alive, or have it replace RITFW. Could be a great way to end everything before YL.
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  • goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowherePosts: 4,457
    I've seen Even Flow as an encore twice and I thought both times were pretty cool.

    I saw them start Encore 2 with it at Cardiff in 2000 (followed by Smile and Yellow Ledbetter) and close Encore 1 with it at the Newcastle show in 2006 (after Crown of Thorns and Alone). I like it better as the beginning of an encore; it really gets everyone pumped again.
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  • Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WAPosts: 8,639
    Pap wrote:
    As long as they bring back Matt's solo alongside the "Wah"! intro, I don't mind where it will be placed.
    :clap:
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  • Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WAPosts: 8,639
    when they play this version of Even Flow they can put it anywhere and it will be great
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07OeTiPSc8Y
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  • YLed2YLed2 Des Moines, IAPosts: 5,533
    With what Dewie said earlier - regardless of where it's played in the set list, it's how they play it that could change the most. It definitely misses that more heavy and groovy feel these days and is played way too damn fast. Although many still complain about it, it still is a great live song.....but definitely could help my slowing it down a bit and capturing more of that heavy groove it once had.

    I think it actually sits pretty well earlier in the set in the number 2 or 3 spot in the set. Especially after a slower opener. Sort of like how they did it in the SA shows earlier this year. I think it could fit well opening or closing an encore here or there, or even closing the main set once in a while - give RVM and Porch a rest in those spots for a change from time to time.
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  • PapPap Serres, GreecePosts: 20,860
    when they play this version of Even Flow they can put it anywhere and it will be great
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07OeTiPSc8Y


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    Wow, you nailed it with your forum name. I wish they name an album like Jumbojet, some day.
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  • DevonPearlDevonPearl Posts: 275
    Move it into the third encore with Alive :D
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  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,484
    I hope some new arrangements to setlists are on the way.

    - Songs way often played, can take a rest. Especially some songs from Yield.

    - Could insert Of the earth as a jamsong to close main sets and retire good old RVM and Porch.

    - Play either Even Flow or Alive per one show.

    - Retire all the covers, they were necessary at the initial phase, now they arent needed anymore.

    - Introduce more Lost Dogs, Binaural and Riot Act and all the songs hiden in the shelves that we even dont know about.

    - Introduce some EV, Stone solo or other side project songs as covers instead. Let's see what the band can do with them.
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  • UmikoUmiko Buenos Aires, ArgentinaPosts: 38
    I love Even Flow and specially when I see it live. I don't care in which part of the show it's played ( opener, main set, encore ) I only hope they continue playing it.

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  • YLed2 wrote:
    With what Dewie said earlier - regardless of where it's played in the set list, it's how they play it that could change the most. It definitely misses that more heavy and groovy feel these days and is played way too damn fast. Although many still complain about it, it still is a great live song.....but definitely could help my slowing it down a bit and capturing more of that heavy groove it once had.

    I think it actually sits pretty well earlier in the set in the number 2 or 3 spot in the set. Especially after a slower opener. Sort of like how they did it in the SA shows earlier this year. I think it could fit well opening or closing an encore here or there, or even closing the main set once in a while - give RVM and Porch a rest in those spots for a change from time to time.


    Yes. I agree, SLOW IT DOWN, for Christ sakes! It hasn't had that nice chilling grove since the mid-90's. I used to love it in the 2nd slot. Release > Even Flow . . . ahhh the good old days, but I know its not 1995 anymore.

    I agree with the OP, stick it in the Encores, imagine a show that doesn't end with RIFW, YL, Indifference, Baba, seems like the closer is a bit predictable nowadays. Again- harking back to older days, I think a wonderful show was in Hawaii '98 closing the show with State of love and trust, now that's variety! That's ballsy! That's what used to turn me on to this band so much!
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  • nc_jammernc_jammer Posts: 378
    There's always newbie / casual fans at shows, and Even Flow is BIG for them.

    The version at the outdoor show in Calgary 2009 was the best I've seen,...the tempo was decent. Great vibe that evening.
    Here's a clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thqFmBqhK8g
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ishPosts: 4,028
    jumbojet wrote:

    - Play either Even Flow or Alive per one show.
    A few people have said it, but THIS would be a big improvement.
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