To me, the only one is Just Breathe.
It has been a static song, slotted at the same time, nearly every show for 4 years.
^^^
+1
Manchester 04.06.00, Leeds 25.08.06, Wembley 18.06.07, Dusseldorf 21.06.07, Shepherds Bush 11.08.09, Manchester 17.08.09, Adelaide 17.11.09, Melbourne 20.11.09, Sydney 22.11.09, Brisbane 25.11.09, MSG1 20.05.10, MSG2 21.05.10, Dublin 22.06.10, Belfast 23.06.10, London 25.06.10, Long Beach 06.07.11 (EV), Los Angeles 08.07.11 (EV), Toronto 11.09.11, Toronto 12.09.11, Ottawa 14.09.11, Hamilton 14.09.11, Manchester 20.06.12, Manchester 21.06.12, Amsterdam 26.06.2012, Amsterdam 27.06.2012, Berlin 04.07.12, Berlin 05.07.12, Stockholm 07.07.12, Oslo 09.07.12, Copenhagen 10.07.12, Manchester 28.07.12 (EV), Brooklyn 18.10.13, Brooklyn 19.10.13, Philly 21.10.13, Philly 22.10.13, San Diego 21.11.13, LA 23.11.13, LA 24.11.13, Oakland 26.11.13, Portland 29.11.13, Spokane 30.11.13, Calgary 02.12.13, Vancouver 04.12.13, Seattle 06.12.13, Trieste 22.06.14, Vienna 25.06.14, Berlin 26.06.14, Stockholm 28.06.14, Leeds 08.07.14, Philly 28.04.16, Philly 28.04.16, MSG1 01.05.16, MSG2 02.05.16
Not even one show into the tour yet and already scrapping songs! :roll:
I say give a break to nothing. If a "staple" has been seen so many times that it's deemed tiresome/old/boring, time to take a break from live shows. Come back after a few years off and it'll all seem new again.
I would definitely give Wishlist a break. It's not that I don't love the song, I just don't ever get excited about hearing it live and I never have. It's just not one of those beautiful PJ songs that I get emotional when it's played.
And as for it's replacement, I think Red Mosquito should take it's place. Honestly, how had that song NOT made it to being a staple???
This one is easy for me. I'd give Yellow Ledbetter a break. The best song for them to close with is Indifference....
- Uncle Snuffy
Soldier Field - Jul 11, 1995, Savage Hall - Sep 22, 1996,
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium - Nov 14, 1997,
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium - Nov 15, 1997, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998, United Center - Jun 29, 1998, Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998, Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000, Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003
United Center - Jun 18, 2003, Fox Theatre - Oct 05, 2004, United Center - May 16, 2006, United Center - May 17, 2006, United Center - Aug 23, 2009, United Center - Aug 24, 2009, Sprint Center - May 03, 2010, Scottrade Center - May 04, 2010, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Sep 03, 2011, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Sep 04, 2011
I would definitely give Wishlist a break. It's not that I don't love the song, I just don't ever get excited about hearing it live and I never have. It's just not one of those beautiful PJ songs that I get emotional when it's played.
And as for it's replacement, I think Red Mosquito should take it's place. Honestly, how had that song NOT made it to being a staple???
Not even one show into the tour yet and already scrapping songs! :roll:
I say give a break to nothing. If a "staple" has been seen so many times that it's deemed tiresome/old/boring, time to take a break from live shows. Come back after a few years off and it'll all seem new again.
This is a bit broad and unfair IMO.
If people dont really like Backspacer, do they need to give up their whole PJ collection and listening? Are people not allowed to go to shows and "hope" to see a song or 2?
To me, Just Breathe is a predictable, and slow portion of a PJ show. To me it almost feels like a 7th Inning stretch and my ears 'go through the motions'. It doesnt mean that the other 96% of the show isnt immensely satisfying. I like Just Breathe, Ill listen to it on Backspacer and boots. hell, it was my wedding song.
Better Man
Just Breathe
Evolution
Elderly Woman
Wishlist
Not For You
Play these more:
Oceans
Nothingman
Tremor Christ
Thumbing My Way
Force Of Nature
Amongst The Waves
SOLAT
Garden
In Hiding
In My Tree
Red Mosquito
Faithfull
Immortality
Barrie 08/22/98 Montreal 10/04/00 Toronto 10/05/00 Toronto 06/28/03 Kitchener 09/11/05 Ottawa 09/16/05 Toronto 08/21/09 Toronto 09/11/11 Ottawa 09/14/11 Buffalo 10/12/13 Ottawa 05/08/16 Chicago 08/20/18 Ottawa 09/03/22 Nashville 09/16/22
I say replace the current version of Even Flow with the classic version of Even Flow at half the speed.
Other than that, replace Small Town with Glorified G, Daughter with Sometimes or Who You Are, and I'm good.
Oh wait, more Grievance too, however they want to swing it.
Not even one show into the tour yet and already scrapping songs! :roll:
I say give a break to nothing. If a "staple" has been seen so many times that it's deemed tiresome/old/boring, time to take a break from live shows. Come back after a few years off and it'll all seem new again.
Not true. I took PJ20 off and Even Flow still didn't come back all sparkly and new in London. Not saying they should never play these songs again, or they're not great song, but it's inevitable that a song will lose some vibrancy after listening to it (for me) for 21 years. Also, in the world of PJ where they're willing to pull any song out of their hat, the ones you basically know going in that they're going to play become considerably less exciting.
This is such a tough question. In general, staples are staples for a reason. They're good fucking songs that you want to hear.
BUT ...
Sometimes I get the feeling the band plays some of them every night or almost every night out of obligation. The result is a series of half-assed versions of really good songs that I'd just as soon do without every now and then.
Rearviewmirror used to be one of my favorite songs on the planet. Easy. Yet I haven't heard a really good, locked-in live version in ages. I skip it on boots now. Same with Do The Evolution, which for the longest time was my favorite song off my favorite album.
Maybe give those kind of songs a break for a little while -- not forever, maybe not even for the whole tour -- and maybe they come back with some freshness.
Leave Evenflow alone. Mike needs his solo time. (although I too would be cool with a more classic version that was SLOWED THE FUCK DOWN).
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Leave Evenflow alone. Mike needs his solo time. (although I too would be cool with a more classic version that was SLOWED THE FUCK DOWN).
I totally agree with this comment. The band speeds up the tempo when playing live and sometimes moreso than others. Sometimes gives the impression they are trying to just blaze through and get a high number of songs done. Sometimes you got to stand back and ask if that even sounds good at the fast pace. For example, Severed Hand suffers from this. Songs need to be savored and enjoyed. I agree with Jeff that Evenflow is overly sped up.
Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
These are the only two songs out of their entire catalouge that bore me at a show, so I would be okay with missing them
Honest question - does Just Breathe legitimately get your heart pounding and interest at a show?
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East Troy, WI - 9.3.11
East Troy, WI - 9.4.11
Atlanta, GA - 9.22.12
Las Vegas, NV - 10.31.12 (EV)
Las Vegas, NV - 11.1.12 (EV)
Chicago, IL - 7.19.13
Dallas, TX - 11.15.13
Oklahoma City, OK - 11.16.13
Seattle, WA - 12.6.13
Lincoln, NE - 10.9.14
Moline, IL - 10.17.14
St. Paul, MN - 10.19.14
Milwaukee, WI - 10.20.14
New York, NY - 5.1.16
New York, NY - 5.2.16
Boston, MA - 8.5.16
Boston, MA - 8.7.16
Chicago, IL - 8.20.16
Of course, all the diehards are suggesting that we drop all the "hits" and play a bunch of b-sides that the casual fan has never heard. That's why Ed writes the setlists and you morons flip burgers or whatever. A show where none of those (Even Flow, Better Man, Elderly Woman, Jeremy, Daughter, etc) is played would absolutely suck for the fan at his or her first or second show. Dumb.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
All of the covers that have been played to death for 20 years. It would be cool if they played one cover per show and made it something different every show. But of course that would require some rehearsal which they seem to not be interested in doing.
All of the covers that have been played to death for 20 years. It would be cool if they played one cover per show and made it something different every show. But of course that would require some rehearsal which they seem to not be interested in doing.
This I can agree with a little. Not necessarily a unique cover at every show, because then people would bitch because they didnt get the one they wanted. But maybe a new group of 4-5 covers that they can use for each tour? That would require less rehearsal time, and would add a fresh twist
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Yeah, Daughter ... although, it is my piss break song. And usually they tag something cool onto it which really blows when you miss the ending.
Small Town
RITFW
Betterman (except the new version,I like that one)
^^^
+1
I say give a break to nothing. If a "staple" has been seen so many times that it's deemed tiresome/old/boring, time to take a break from live shows. Come back after a few years off and it'll all seem new again.
2013 Wrigley
2013 Dallas
2013 Oklahoma City
2013 Seattle
How I choose to feel is how I am.
There's just one word I still believe...and it's LOVE.
"Take care of one another..." -EV
I mean, why not just push through and finish the show at that point?
And as for it's replacement, I think Red Mosquito should take it's place. Honestly, how had that song NOT made it to being a staple???
London 2013 "The Dundas Hookers on Crack" Show
- Uncle Snuffy
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium - Nov 14, 1997,
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium - Nov 15, 1997, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998, United Center - Jun 29, 1998, Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998, Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000, Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003
United Center - Jun 18, 2003, Fox Theatre - Oct 05, 2004, United Center - May 16, 2006, United Center - May 17, 2006, United Center - Aug 23, 2009, United Center - Aug 24, 2009, Sprint Center - May 03, 2010, Scottrade Center - May 04, 2010, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Sep 03, 2011, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Sep 04, 2011
This is a bit broad and unfair IMO.
If people dont really like Backspacer, do they need to give up their whole PJ collection and listening? Are people not allowed to go to shows and "hope" to see a song or 2?
To me, Just Breathe is a predictable, and slow portion of a PJ show. To me it almost feels like a 7th Inning stretch and my ears 'go through the motions'. It doesnt mean that the other 96% of the show isnt immensely satisfying. I like Just Breathe, Ill listen to it on Backspacer and boots. hell, it was my wedding song.
I still can't get into this song. I think the meaning behind it is beautiful, but it just seems so out of place.
Better Man
Just Breathe
Evolution
Elderly Woman
Wishlist
Not For You
Play these more:
Oceans
Nothingman
Tremor Christ
Thumbing My Way
Force Of Nature
Amongst The Waves
SOLAT
Garden
In Hiding
In My Tree
Red Mosquito
Faithfull
Immortality
Montreal 10/04/00
Toronto 10/05/00
Toronto 06/28/03
Kitchener 09/11/05
Ottawa 09/16/05
Toronto 08/21/09
Toronto 09/11/11
Ottawa 09/14/11
Buffalo 10/12/13
Ottawa 05/08/16
Chicago 08/20/18
Ottawa 09/03/22
Nashville 09/16/22
Other than that, replace Small Town with Glorified G, Daughter with Sometimes or Who You Are, and I'm good.
Oh wait, more Grievance too, however they want to swing it.
Not true. I took PJ20 off and Even Flow still didn't come back all sparkly and new in London. Not saying they should never play these songs again, or they're not great song, but it's inevitable that a song will lose some vibrancy after listening to it (for me) for 21 years. Also, in the world of PJ where they're willing to pull any song out of their hat, the ones you basically know going in that they're going to play become considerably less exciting.
BUT ...
Sometimes I get the feeling the band plays some of them every night or almost every night out of obligation. The result is a series of half-assed versions of really good songs that I'd just as soon do without every now and then.
Rearviewmirror used to be one of my favorite songs on the planet. Easy. Yet I haven't heard a really good, locked-in live version in ages. I skip it on boots now. Same with Do The Evolution, which for the longest time was my favorite song off my favorite album.
Maybe give those kind of songs a break for a little while -- not forever, maybe not even for the whole tour -- and maybe they come back with some freshness.
Leave Evenflow alone. Mike needs his solo time. (although I too would be cool with a more classic version that was SLOWED THE FUCK DOWN).
for the least they could possibly do
I totally agree with this comment. The band speeds up the tempo when playing live and sometimes moreso than others. Sometimes gives the impression they are trying to just blaze through and get a high number of songs done. Sometimes you got to stand back and ask if that even sounds good at the fast pace. For example, Severed Hand suffers from this. Songs need to be savored and enjoyed. I agree with Jeff that Evenflow is overly sped up.
These are the only two songs out of their entire catalouge that bore me at a show, so I would be okay with missing them
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Honest question - does Just Breathe legitimately get your heart pounding and interest at a show?
East Troy, WI - 9.3.11
East Troy, WI - 9.4.11
Atlanta, GA - 9.22.12
Las Vegas, NV - 10.31.12 (EV)
Las Vegas, NV - 11.1.12 (EV)
Chicago, IL - 7.19.13
Dallas, TX - 11.15.13
Oklahoma City, OK - 11.16.13
Seattle, WA - 12.6.13
Lincoln, NE - 10.9.14
Moline, IL - 10.17.14
St. Paul, MN - 10.19.14
Milwaukee, WI - 10.20.14
New York, NY - 5.1.16
New York, NY - 5.2.16
Boston, MA - 8.5.16
Boston, MA - 8.7.16
Chicago, IL - 8.20.16
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2000: Noblesville, Columbus, Cincinnati, East Troy, Chicago
2010: Noblesville
2013: London, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Phoenix
2014: Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit, Moline, Milwaukee
2016: Chicago x2
2018: Chicago
I never thought I would think that.
crazy mary
RITFW
all who covers
daughter
betterman
corduroy
DTE
Id love a show that met the above criteria.
No, but I think the song is new enough to still not be boring. I'd prefer it be played less, but not taken out of rotation.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
This I can agree with a little. Not necessarily a unique cover at every show, because then people would bitch because they didnt get the one they wanted. But maybe a new group of 4-5 covers that they can use for each tour? That would require less rehearsal time, and would add a fresh twist
They used to do this. I liked it.
for the least they could possibly do
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