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Music For RhinosMusic For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
edited August 2011 in The Porch
Pearl Jam's b-side songs are better than their a-side songs,...for me anyway. I just realized it today,...if I take all my favorites on the studio albums and compare them to my favorites on Lost Dogs and other b-sides not on Lost Dogs I find that I feel the b-sides are stronger.

Songs like Wash, Sad, Hard To Imagine, Strangest Tribe, Leatherman, Long Road, I Got Shit, U, Down etc....man I'll take those over the hit singles and the best songs on the albums anyday. Edit...and who could forget, Breath.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    You like Leatherman?
  • Music For RhinosMusic For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
    Yes I do. Leatherman is the SHIT, especially live.....the TB2K version comes to mind. Something about the energy and vibe of the song....makes me want to dance and I don't dance. McCready spinning around while he's playing doesn't hurt.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    I like all of the bsides you listed as well but I think if you put those songs on Ten instead of the tracks that are actually on it, not only would we have never gotten to PJ20 there wouldn't have been a PJ1. Just my opinion.
  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    Ive been saying for years that if they compiled the best b-sides into a CD, it would be their best. It could easily be a double disc too.
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
    Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA

  • Alive_and_EvolvingAlive_and_Evolving Posts: 327
    Not that i don't like b-sides or anything but songs that made records tend to be better for me.
    speaking as a child who shouldve have been a teen in the 90's
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,988
    PearlJamPatriot wrote:
    Ive been saying for years that if they compiled the best b-sides into a CD, it would be their best. It could easily be a double disc too.

    :lol:
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    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    PearlJamPatriot wrote:
    Ive been saying for years that if they compiled the best b-sides into a CD, it would be their best. It could easily be a double disc too.

    :lol:
    I know they released Lost Dogs, I was meaning if I was able to pick the track listing. :lol:
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
    Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA

  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,988
    PearlJamPatriot wrote:
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    PearlJamPatriot wrote:
    Ive been saying for years that if they compiled the best b-sides into a CD, it would be their best. It could easily be a double disc too.

    :lol:
    I know they released Lost Dogs, I was meaning if I was able to pick the track listing. :lol:

    Oh okay, I thought you were just being sarcastic :D.
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    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    Pearl Jam's b-side songs are better than their a-side songs,...for me anyway. I just realized it today,...if I take all my favorites on the studio albums and compare them to my favorites on Lost Dogs and other b-sides not on Lost Dogs I find that I feel the b-sides are stronger.

    Songs like Wash, Sad, Hard To Imagine, Strangest Tribe, Leatherman, Long Road, I Got Shit, U, Down etc....man I'll take those over the hit singles and the best songs on the albums anyday.

    Bah. If all those were A songs and the B songs were Black, Alive, Rearviewmirror, Betterman (or whatever you consider to the "hit singles") ... you'd be talking about how great THOSE B sides were.

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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    I know they have tons and tons of stuff they are sitting on


    Release me..... Say the unrelased lost dogs

    I should of asked Mike about that EP he mentioned a few years ago. What happened???
  • vedder89vedder89 Posts: 177
    DS1119 wrote:
    You like Leatherman?

    LEATHERMAN IS THE SHIT!! I LOVE THAT SONG
    Stab it down, fill the pages, suck my fuckin' life out, man
  • vedder89vedder89 Posts: 177
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    Yes I do. Leatherman is the SHIT, especially live.....the TB2K version comes to mind. Something about the energy and vibe of the song....makes me want to dance and I don't dance. McCready spinning around while he's playing doesn't hurt.

    :thumbup: :thumbup:
    Stab it down, fill the pages, suck my fuckin' life out, man
  • Jeremys SpokenJeremys Spoken Posts: 7,578
    DS1119 wrote:
    You like Leatherman?
    I absolutely love Leatherman.
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    2010 - Newark 5/18 MSG 5/21
    2011 - PJ20 9/3-9/4
    2012 - MIA Festival 9/2
    2013 - Wrigley Field 7/19 Brooklyn 10/18-10/19 Philly 10/22
    2015 - Colbert show - 9/23 Global Citizens Festival 9/26
    2016 - Philly 4/28-4/29 MSG 5/1-5/2



  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,232
    This could be a bad assumption, but you've probably heard the A sides 10x more than the B sides. Back in the day you were probably more likely to take the Yield CD with you somewhere than the Given To Fly CD. You hear a song 10x more times than another song and it is going to get dull.

    People say there is no right or wrong answer with music, but I don't believe that. Given to Fly is a much better song than Leatherman hands down, and if 2 out of 100 disagree, then they are just wrong (opinions don't matter when there is such a consensus).
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    This could be a bad assumption, but you've probably heard the A sides 10x more than the B sides. Back in the day you were probably more likely to take the Yield CD with you somewhere than the Given To Fly CD. You hear a song 10x more times than another song and it is going to get dull.

    People say there is no right or wrong answer with music, but I don't believe that. Given to Fly is a much better song than Leatherman hands down, and if 2 out of 100 disagree, then they are just wrong (opinions don't matter when there is such a consensus).

    This.

    And I like Leatherman. It's perfectly suited to be a B-side.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Music For RhinosMusic For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
    slightofjeff wrote:
    And I like Leatherman. It's perfectly suited to be a B-side.

    If Leatherman were on Yield I would like Yield just as much as I do now. Maybe even more so.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    And I like Leatherman. It's perfectly suited to be a B-side.

    If Leatherman were on Yield I would like Yield just as much as I do now. Maybe even more so.


    And what song would you replace with Leatherman?
  • Music For RhinosMusic For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
    DS1119 wrote:
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    And I like Leatherman. It's perfectly suited to be a B-side.

    If Leatherman were on Yield I would like Yield just as much as I do now. Maybe even more so.


    And what song would you replace with Leatherman?

    #8

    but what i meant was just add it to the tracklisting and it would be 14 tracks. 15 if you count Hummus.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:

    And what song would you replace with Leatherman?

    #8

    but what i meant was just add it to the tracklisting and it would be 14 tracks. 15 if you count Hummus.


    I mean you could add Hard to Imagine to Yield and it would make it better as well. And replacing 8 with any song is kind of unfair.
  • Music For RhinosMusic For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
    DS1119 wrote:
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:

    And what song would you replace with Leatherman?

    #8

    but what i meant was just add it to the tracklisting and it would be 14 tracks. 15 if you count Hummus.


    I mean you could add Hard to Imagine to Yield and it would make it better as well. And replacing 8 with any song is kind of unfair.

    Putting 8 on Yield is kinda unfair.
  • dwhite76dwhite76 Posts: 2,801
    Pearl Jam has more B-Side HITS than most bands have hits their whole career. Come to think of it they may have more Non-released songs than most bands have all togeather :lol:

    Its one of the reasons I fell in love with the band :D
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    it's a well known fact that Eddie refused to release most of those songs on the albums as he didn't want the mainstream attention anymore. some of those songs would have ended up on the radio, and he didn't want that.

    most fans I talk to like Lost Dogs more than their mid to late 90's albums, because those songs SHOULD have been those albums.

    I personally wouldn't change anything, except the garbage tracks on Vitalogy. And Mankind.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    it's a well known fact that Eddie refused to release most of those songs on the albums as he didn't want the mainstream attention anymore. quote]



    Quite the assumption there.
  • RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,292
    seeing as wash ledbetter and dirty frank are my 1 2 and 3 favorite songs it is tempting to agree with you but in the end the albums have way more to offer than the b sides
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Wash would not have hooked me.. Even though I love it, it will never be Evenflow, which did make me an addict back in the day..
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    RiotZact wrote:
    seeing as wash ledbetter and dirty frank are my 1 2 and 3 favorite songs it is tempting to agree with you but in the end the albums have way more to offer than the b sides


    Dirty Frank is your number three?? You have been bumping the shit out of the "Please Play Dirty Frank" thread forever. What the fuck have you been doing to get Wash played??? Are you hooking or something? :lol:
  • RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,292
    DS1119 wrote:
    RiotZact wrote:
    seeing as wash ledbetter and dirty frank are my 1 2 and 3 favorite songs it is tempting to agree with you but in the end the albums have way more to offer than the b sides


    Dirty Frank is your number three?? You have been bumping the shit out of the "Please Play Dirty Frank" thread forever. What the fuck have you been doing to get Wash played??? Are you hooking or something? :lol:

    check my sig bro :D already heard wash in cleveland last year and it was amazing
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    RiotZact wrote:
    check my sig bro :D already heard wash in cleveland last year and it was amazing


    Ahh. My first PJ only show opened with Wash. It was nice. :)
  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    it's a well known fact that Eddie refused to release most of those songs on the albums as he didn't want the mainstream attention anymore.



    Quite the assumption there.

    um.....nope.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    it's a well known fact that Eddie refused to release most of those songs on the albums as he didn't want the mainstream attention anymore.



    Quite the assumption there.

    um.....nope.


    You're sure it was Eddie. Not the band as a whole or management?
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