The Rising
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When I first heard it, and read interviews at the time, Bruce seemed to have gone patriotic, and that pissed me off. He talked in interviews of being for the war in afghanistan, and some lyrics refer to "a little vengence and this too shall pass", Or "i want an eye for an eye". I could never understand or agree with those sentiments.
Reguardless the album is stunning. Empty sky. Nothing man. Your Missing. Those alone, are mindblowing.
Hell of an album.
Reguardless the album is stunning. Empty sky. Nothing man. Your Missing. Those alone, are mindblowing.
Hell of an album.
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What the hell are you talking about? Eye for an eye? Vengeance? Tell me anywhere on the rising (or any other song of his) where those lyrics or words appear or even that general sentiment: http://www.brucespringsteen.net/albums/rising.html
Bruce was completely against the Iraq war from the start and spoke out loudly against it. He probably supported the ousting of the Taliban like 99% of the rest of the world. Give the guy a break.
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Sorry buddy, I didnt support the war in afghanistan and still dont. I dont approve of bush's carrying it out, and I sure as hell aint gonna support obama's insane folly off the edge of a steep cliff.
You obviously didnt pay much attention to the record. The lyrics are there just as I typed them out. Look on the link you provided. Click the lyrics for lonesome day. The vengence lyrics are there. Also click on the lyrics for empty sky. The line about an eye for an eye is there. I remember an MTV interview with Bruce, in the aftermath of 9/11 and him specifically saying he was supportive of the U.S. going in and bombing afghanistan. I think its an outrageous sentiment, and still do. I never have nor will i ever support this war. Its wrong, regaurdless of if Bruce is for it or not.
I dont have to defend a record I love. This record is mindblowing, and the reason for the post is obvious. I love these silly fanboys of any band, PJ, Bruce, or anyone, who willingly harass and call you out any time you criticize anything about a band. its silly, childish and naive. Its a complex album, discussing complex themes.
It wuld be nice to expand the argument beyond these petty issues and discuss what really matters, the effect the album had and does have still to this day.
you on drugs my friend. My original unedited post, criticizes bruce for the lyrics that are supportive of a war in afghanistan. I never mentioned iraq. Not once. What are you smoking buddy?
Its a matter of record, bruce supported the war, in afghanistan at least, and maybe still does.
Basically I felt that the initial response in Afghanistan was deliberative which was more than I expected. I didn't expect it to be as deliberative as it was.
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and another similar quote
the war in Afghanistan was handled well. It was deliberative, which I wasn't counting on. I expected a lot less from this administration,"
As I said, the album is beautiful. But these statements are abhorrent. For someone with a clear social conscience as bruce has demonstrated he has, its mind boggling he could say such things.
Is that what you're looking for?
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I'm not looking for a damn thing. I posted a thread to honor an album I think deserves honoring. I mentioned in the thread that despite my dislike of the sentiments bruce expressed during the album and in interviews that the songs made up for that dislike. Thats its.
I was lambasted by an illinformed person, who hadnt listened to any of the words, and they tried to suggest bruce didnt say any of the things I said he did. I posted proof he did.
You want to look at the sun and call its color blue, thats your own deal, but facts are facts.
Dont post stuff you know little about.
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There are other segments of people that may have the same or differing political views and or opinions
certain songs touch certain people in different ways.
this song from the rising ( the 1st time bruce and esb played it nationally for america to see for the very frst time )
it stirs emotions no matter when or where I hear/see it ( live ) .
Into The Fire '02
The Rising '02
Lonesome Day '02
Glory Days '02
Empty Sky
clearly you hear the eye for an eye reference
Yes I slept on the beach that night to be on the railing for the today show outside of Convention Hall .
it was about 1,000 degrees.
I heard it was about 2000 degrees inside the old barn,..even the band came out to give us a few waves and photo opps.
Ive been to over a hundred springsteen shows / esb / solo projects,
every tour since BITUSA ,...
charities and holiday/ rehearsal shows combined , so i guess I might fall under the " fanboy " subset,
but hey its all good,..
id have caught up on pearl jam if geography allowed me to do so ,
but be it as it may,...
also
my city of ruins - was originally written for asbury park new jersey ,
was an older unused track
( and we all know the history with all of that )
but as soon as 9- 11 happened, it seemed to evolve into something initself.
Of course then watch Bruce on the Heroes Telethon thingy- ( opening it up if i remember correctly ) was indeed " My City Of Ruins " .http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9514632503
i went last night and to be quite honest, that segment of the rising, lonesomeday , kinda getting a little old already . needs to mix it some there . However - being ranked even better than the previous Philly Spectrum shows
What a shock . The old Barn out on Hempsstead Tpke sounded pretty fucking good last night.
I wonder if it wouldve been the same if i wasnt in the pit-
any setlist with both rosie and jungleland cant be half bad .
wouldve been the perfect trifecta if they pulled out thunderroad but maybe in jersey .
nils f'n guitar on ghost of tom joad is sick !
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That it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive
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And it equally ridiculous for you to think you know what every single lyric and word in a song means. And it's ridiculous for you to think that everything an artist writes mirrors their own opinions. How about taking on the persona of someone who's not you and writing a song from their perspective? Ever think that's a possibility? And you remember ONE interview right after 9/11 of Bruce supporting an invasion of Afghanistan? Like I said, 99% of the world was for it then, and you probably were too. Of course it's easy to be against it now and see what the Bush regime has done and see their motivations, but if you were against the world community going into Afghanistan right after 9/11 to track down Al Qaeda, then you are either a liar or you were a tin foil hat cook. How can you honestly blame the guy for having that opinion? I'm pretty sure Eddie Vedder had the same mind then too. You're ridiculous.
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Where in my post do I say you're crazy for saying he supported the Iraq war? I didn't. I simply stated a fact. Maybe you should read MY post.
Of course, then you say he supported the war, in Afghanistan 'at least', implying he supported other wars. Completely untrue, and I would put money down that he is completely unhappy with the Bush admin's dealing of the war, Iraq and the whole 'War on Terror'. And what's wrong with a little revenge or bringing people who do horrible things, to justice? Just because he has one lyric suggesting revenge for his (fictional character's) loss, doesn't mean he supports unjust wars or terrorism. You could take it to mean revenge against the US government for allowing 9/11 to happen. Whatever.
I love how people have no clue what they're talking about and hate just to hate. Frickin ridiculous.
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Ok, now find me early 2002 quotes of high profile socially conscious artists who spoke out against Afghanistan.
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There, I fixed it a little bit.
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but bruce lost me along the way...for many years i simply was not interested at all.
didn't like:
lucky town
human touch
tunnel of love
devils
seeger
people love to RAVE on bruce but he is seriously hit and miss with me
LOVE his old stuff, up until and including BiTUSA/nebraska...then the BIG fallout came...until the rising came along
i just wish i could say magic and workin on a dream are as good as the rising, but...
IMO of course!
Soooo...you like your Bruce with a side helping of the ESB. There's nothing wrong with that! Also, I think that between Magic and WOAD, there's a single great album in there. When you include everything and make it two albums...they're just "good"
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I do think it doesnt take a brain surgeon to deconstruct these lyrics, "I want an eye for an eye", or " a little vengence and this too shall pass". I really dont think he is talking about some fight he had with a friend or with Patti or something.
As for "Lonesome Day", if you're basing your whole thought on one line of the song, let me counter with another one line from that song that might appease your way of thinking, "better ask questions before you shoot"
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Well said.
Seriously, who even cares what Bruce thought about Afghanistan in 2002? We know he strongly disagrees with Bush's foreign policy of pre emptive force, his eroding of civil liberties at home, etc etc. I'm sure his opinions have changed over time, I'm sure he was angry and confused over 9/11. The man is human. He cares about the downtrodden, he cares about world issues, he cares about his fans, he puts on incredible concerts and makes amazing, timeless music. If you're going to rail on the man for a couple of out of character quotes from nearly a decade ago and judge him solely on that, you really need to get a life and put things in perspective. Some people need to stop being such miserable fucks.
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Again, you're taking 2 lines from a whole album and twisting it into something YOU want to believe, not necessarily what is there. And you're taking 2 quotes from him immediately after 9/11, when the whole world wanted justice for the attacks. It wasn't like Bruce was siding with some Neocon agenda. You need to put it in perspective. And like I said, he's just a musician and it's just music. Chill out.
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Some people need to stop being such miserable fucks.[/quote]
couldnt agree more. It would be wise to take ytour own advice, you jerk
I find it funny, you refuse to admit you were wrong.
I think bruce knows how he felt after 9/11 and the album and his quote reflect that.
Obviously you are too much of a knuckle dragger to understand basic english.
Dude...seriously. Quit being in a dick measuring contest with the other guy. The fact is, that "Empty Sky" was not written from Bruces point of view, but that of someone who lost a loved one on 9/11. So, if the person in the song wants an "eye for an eye"...I don't blame them. And if you're basing it off a line in "Lonesome Day", I gave you an example of a line from the exact same song that fits your mold of thinking.
The Rising=great album. End of discussion
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I have some really great advice for you. Now listen closely, it might be hard to comprehend through your narcissism. Ready? It's. Just. Music. Get. A. Life.
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Like he said...he was a high school sophomore when it came out. He's the resident authority. Hahahaha.
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