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Would AIC still be going strong?

gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
edited May 2009 in Other Music
If Layne hadn't decided to go down that slippery slope? I think they would have been the other "grunge" band to survive the era. Their EP's and side project showed they were more versatile than their LP's let on. They have been one of the all time great rock bands. Some would argue they were, but I don't think they had enough time to prove it.
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,954
    They'd be broken up
    1) layne was always on the "slippery slope"
    2) the band already pretty much broke up by going on their "hiatus"
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  • PJGARDENPJGARDEN Posts: 1,484
    mookeywrench wrote:
    They'd be broken up
    1) layne was always on the "slippery slope"
    2) the band already pretty much broke up by going on their "hiatus"

    I always thought their hiatus was due to Layne's addiction issues. Good question if they would still be around. It's hard to say. I think I would have almost had another Mad Season album vs. more AIC. I love AIC but would kill for more Mad Season.
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    When Layne died it 2002, the last show was June 3rd 96.

    So 6 years is kinda long!
  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    I guess my point was that if Layne wasn't a heroine addict would have they been as successful to begin with and would they still be together. I thought yes to both. But of course we'll never know. I bet he wouldn't have recorded with Timbaland. 8-)
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    gabers wrote:
    I guess my point was that if Layne wasn't a heroine addict would have they been as successful to begin with and would they still be together. I thought yes to both. But of course we'll never know. I bet he wouldn't have recorded with Timbaland. 8-)

    Doubt it, i may be rather ignorant but i felt most of the aic songs were about addiction and drugs and everything that comes along with it.
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,954
    I BrisK I wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    I guess my point was that if Layne wasn't a heroine addict would have they been as successful to begin with and would they still be together. I thought yes to both. But of course we'll never know. I bet he wouldn't have recorded with Timbaland. 8-)

    Doubt it, i may be rather ignorant but i felt most of the aic songs were about addiction and drugs and everything that comes along with it.

    agreed, during the recording of dirt at London Bridge Studios, whenever a band member went on a break session they pretty much always went straight to the bathroom to shoot up. Herion made that album, not AIC.
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  • PJGARDENPJGARDEN Posts: 1,484
    Come on guys, AIC was a great band. I'm not saying the drugs didn't play a part in their songwriting but I don't know that I would go as far to say that the drugs are what made the band. They sang and played about what they knew. I don't think that makes them any less talented. Drugs or no drugs, Layne was amazing. He could sing and every night he played he sang his ass off.

    I also think the OP had legitimate question. There are plenty of bands whose members were heavy drug users that lasted a long time. Sure the odds are against them but it has happend. If nothing else they usaully get back together when the money runs out :D
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    PJGARDEN wrote:
    Come on guys, AIC was a great band. I'm not saying the drugs didn't play a part in their songwriting but I don't know that I would go as far to say that the drugs are what made the band. They sang and played about what they knew. I don't think that makes them any less talented. Drugs or no drugs, Layne was amazing. He could sing and every night he played he sang his ass off.

    I also think the OP had legitimate question. There are plenty of bands whose members were heavy drug users that lasted a long time. Sure the odds are against them but it has happend. If nothing else they usaully get back together when the money runs out :D

    Layen is like the Mark Lanegan that didn't make it :(
  • PJGARDENPJGARDEN Posts: 1,484
    soulsinging wrote:
    PJGARDEN wrote:
    Come on guys, AIC was a great band. I'm not saying the drugs didn't play a part in their songwriting but I don't know that I would go as far to say that the drugs are what made the band. They sang and played about what they knew. I don't think that makes them any less talented. Drugs or no drugs, Layne was amazing. He could sing and every night he played he sang his ass off.

    I also think the OP had legitimate question. There are plenty of bands whose members were heavy drug users that lasted a long time. Sure the odds are against them but it has happend. If nothing else they usaully get back together when the money runs out :D

    Layen is like the Mark Lanegan that didn't make it :(

    Mark if one of the few I was thinking of when I wrote this post.
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    If Layne had lived health-wise he'd probably have gone the Syd Barrett route more than the Lanegan route. (ie (Barrett=stay a total recluse and do sporadic works of art/music, Lanegan = former-user becomes a workaholic, working his bollox off to stay focused on being clean).

    All the singers of that generation have released fairly chilled out, laid back stuff lately, and no doubt Layne wouldve done the same. But really, it doesnt seem like there was anything else that couldve been done for the guy. It wasnt a sudden burnout, or a surprise, he just couldnt keep it together, or else didnt want to. Our loss ultimately.

    Thank god Lanegan has decided to go the way he did, he's opened my eyes to so much stuff (musically & otherwise).
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    JordyWordy wrote:
    If Layne had lived health-wise he'd probably have gone the Syd Barrett route more than the Lanegan route. (ie (Barrett=stay a total recluse and do sporadic works of art/music, Lanegan = former-user becomes a workaholic, working his bollox off to stay focused on being clean).

    All the singers of that generation have released fairly chilled out, laid back stuff lately, and no doubt Layne wouldve done the same. But really, it doesnt seem like there was anything else that couldve been done for the guy. It wasnt a sudden burnout, or a surprise, he just couldnt keep it together, or else didnt want to. Our loss ultimately.

    Thank god Lanegan has decided to go the way he did, he's opened my eyes to so much stuff (musically & otherwise).

    Lanegan really is EVERYWHERE. The Screaming Trees disband and suddenly it's... Lanegan solo albums galore, now he's touring with the Twilight Singer, now he's fronting QOTSA, now he teamed up with Isobell Campbell, now he's got the Soulsavers, now he formed the Gutter Twins... his latest thing is he's showing up on the new Breeders EP. I'd suspect he was just desperately whoring himself out to anyone willing to hire him if I didn't already know for a fact that he's just so damn good that everyone wants him! :)
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    soulsinging wrote:
    Lanegan really is EVERYWHERE. The Screaming Trees disband and suddenly it's... Lanegan solo albums galore, now he's touring with the Twilight Singer, now he's fronting QOTSA, now he teamed up with Isobell Campbell, now he's got the Soulsavers, now he formed the Gutter Twins... his latest thing is he's showing up on the new Breeders EP. I'd suspect he was just desperately whoring himself out to anyone willing to hire him if I didn't already know for a fact that he's just so damn good that everyone wants him! :)

    Heheh, he is everywhere and at the same time is not on public radar at all! Its an achievement in itself! AND there was that weird UK dance-bands myspace that he showed up on too - another for the list...if i was making an album,id hire him!
  • PJGARDENPJGARDEN Posts: 1,484
    JordyWordy wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    Lanegan really is EVERYWHERE. The Screaming Trees disband and suddenly it's... Lanegan solo albums galore, now he's touring with the Twilight Singer, now he's fronting QOTSA, now he teamed up with Isobell Campbell, now he's got the Soulsavers, now he formed the Gutter Twins... his latest thing is he's showing up on the new Breeders EP. I'd suspect he was just desperately whoring himself out to anyone willing to hire him if I didn't already know for a fact that he's just so damn good that everyone wants him! :)

    Heheh, he is everywhere and at the same time is not on public radar at all! Its an achievement in itself! AND there was that weird UK dance-bands myspace that he showed up on too - another for the list...if i was making an album,id hire him!

    UK dance band? What'd I miss?

    I have wondered for a while if Lanegan is doing all the projects just to keep himself busy or did he run out of money? I hear herion is an expensive habit.
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    PJGARDEN wrote:
    UK dance band? What'd I miss?

    I have wondered for a while if Lanegan is doing all the projects just to keep himself busy or did he run out of money? I hear herion is an expensive habit.

    This guy (apparantly its one DJ)
    http://www.myspace.com/bombthebass

    Mark is on the song "Black River" and one called "Future" (longer title than that, cant remember!) which isnt on the myspace anymore.

    I hear its expensive too! lol, ah no i can only speculate. Loads of former addicts do that though (become kind of obsessive with work). OR maybe other singers are just lazy!
  • PJGARDENPJGARDEN Posts: 1,484
    JordyWordy wrote:
    PJGARDEN wrote:
    UK dance band? What'd I miss?

    I have wondered for a while if Lanegan is doing all the projects just to keep himself busy or did he run out of money? I hear herion is an expensive habit.

    This guy (apparantly its one DJ)
    http://www.myspace.com/bombthebass

    Mark is on the song "Black River" and one called "Future" (longer title than that, cant remember!) which isnt on the myspace anymore.

    I hear its expensive too! lol, ah no i can only speculate. Loads of former addicts do that though (become kind of obsessive with work). OR maybe other singers are just lazy!

    Oh that's right. I always forget about the bomb the bass collab. Have you seen the video for Black River? Check it out if you haven't. It's surprising I guess is the best word.

    Maybe it's a combo of him being broke and obsessed. Whatever I'm enjoying every minute of it. :mrgreen:

    sorry I think we kind of stole the thread :oops: Back to AIC.....
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    Heroine is A LOT of what made AIC great. I don't think they woulda been anything special without it.
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    PJGARDEN wrote:
    Oh that's right. I always forget about the bomb the bass collab. Have you seen the video for Black River? Check it out if you haven't. It's surprising I guess is the best word.

    Maybe it's a combo of him being broke and obsessed. Whatever I'm enjoying every minute of it. :mrgreen:

    sorry I think we kind of stole the thread :oops: Back to AIC.....

    Yeah i was gona stick in something lame at the end of my post like, "Layne would never have worked with Bomb the Bass".....wouldnt have worked really would it!!

    im seeing AIC at a show in august with Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Thin Lizzy, and Mastodon. I expect that I can still say theyre going strong when i see them then. *trods off to play 20/04/02*
  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    soulsinging wrote:
    PJGARDEN wrote:
    Come on guys, AIC was a great band. I'm not saying the drugs didn't play a part in their songwriting but I don't know that I would go as far to say that the drugs are what made the band. They sang and played about what they knew. I don't think that makes them any less talented. Drugs or no drugs, Layne was amazing. He could sing and every night he played he sang his ass off.

    I also think the OP had legitimate question. There are plenty of bands whose members were heavy drug users that lasted a long time. Sure the odds are against them but it has happend. If nothing else they usaully get back together when the money runs out :D

    Layen is like the Mark Lanegan that didn't make it :(

    So true...Mark Lanegan is GREAT...but just imagine if Layne was still alive. If Alice in Chains didn't survive, at least imagine a solo career...I personally think it could've had a lot of potential.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    How are Jerry's solo albums?
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    mookeywrench wrote:
    I BrisK I wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    I guess my point was that if Layne wasn't a heroine addict would have they been as successful to begin with and would they still be together. I thought yes to both. But of course we'll never know. I bet he wouldn't have recorded with Timbaland. 8-)

    Doubt it, i may be rather ignorant but i felt most of the aic songs were about addiction and drugs and everything that comes along with it.

    agreed, during the recording of dirt at London Bridge Studios, whenever a band member went on a break session they pretty much always went straight to the bathroom to shoot up. Herion made that album, not AIC.

    If thats true then its extremely chilling.

    ALL of them?
  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    soulsinging wrote:
    How are Jerry's solo albums?

    Very good, IMO. Boggy Depot is his best though...
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  • mosquitomanmosquitoman Posts: 16
    mookeywrench wrote:
    I BrisK I wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    I guess my point was that if Layne wasn't a heroine addict would have they been as successful to begin with and would they still be together. I thought yes to both. But of course we'll never know. I bet he wouldn't have recorded with Timbaland. 8-)

    Doubt it, i may be rather ignorant but i felt most of the aic songs were about addiction and drugs and everything that comes along with it.

    agreed, during the recording of dirt at London Bridge Studios, whenever a band member went on a break session they pretty much always went straight to the bathroom to shoot up. Herion made that album, not AIC.

    I'm not gonna deny that drugs were massively involved in the recording of dirt and that most of the songs are on that particular theme, but to say that drugs made dirt, not AIC, is unfair and dismisses their talent. sure drugs SHAPED dirt but they did not MAKE it! its an impossible question to answer as to whether they'd still be going strong with layne, the fact is they have william duvall now, i for one am a massive fan and hope they come to the uk so i can see them and i urge anyone to check them out
    listen to the voice inside, so drowned out
  • philthehipphilthehip Posts: 2,084
    PJGARDEN wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    They'd be broken up
    1) layne was always on the "slippery slope"
    2) the band already pretty much broke up by going on their "hiatus"

    I always thought their hiatus was due to Layne's addiction issues. Good question if they would still be around. It's hard to say. I think I would have almost had another Mad Season album vs. more AIC. I love AIC but would kill for more Mad Season.

    Oh my god I dream of more Mad Season at least twice a day
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    This thread really just made me wish Layne was still around to do an acoustic album with Lanegan. :(
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