Has Ed mellowed in his opinion of mainstream culture especially mainstream pop music?
musicismylife78
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I dont think this is a bad thing at all, and its something we all go through, but do you feel like this is accurate? I remember in the press for Avocado, Ed would be making fun of how stupid and dumb pop music stars of that era were. And certainly he championed all those left field bands in the grunge heyday. I get the impression he wouldn't be caught dead listening to pop music back then.
Alot of things probably occurred to change his mindset. Having kids I think did, Im sure his daughters got him into all these newer artists who he'd never have been a fan of on his own. Didnt he publicly say he is a fan of Billie Eilish? I know Dave Grohl is. But you have Ed collabing with Beyonce, Lana Del Rey hanging out backstage at Ohana and clearly rocking out and loving PJ's set, etc... I feel like the Ed of 1995 would have viewed these artists as vapid, and I think, honestly, that view was incorrect and untrue. Pop music and mainstream music can be good, just as good as the music PJ makes.
Anyone have thoughts on this?
Alot of things probably occurred to change his mindset. Having kids I think did, Im sure his daughters got him into all these newer artists who he'd never have been a fan of on his own. Didnt he publicly say he is a fan of Billie Eilish? I know Dave Grohl is. But you have Ed collabing with Beyonce, Lana Del Rey hanging out backstage at Ohana and clearly rocking out and loving PJ's set, etc... I feel like the Ed of 1995 would have viewed these artists as vapid, and I think, honestly, that view was incorrect and untrue. Pop music and mainstream music can be good, just as good as the music PJ makes.
Anyone have thoughts on this?
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On another note, there’s no doubt that rock isn’t the cultural force it once was.
Oh, so you saw the MTV Awards.
Wait, you saw the MTV Awards?
I was able to fast-forward through them, yes.
I take it you’re not into much new pop music, then.
These pop songs almost feel like tabloid journalism, in a way. It’s crap that people seem to like. And I don’t know if it has meaning. I don’t know if one of the pop songs of the summer has any fiber in it. People are consuming it, and is it healthy? I don’t know. Maybe it’s some kind of way of taking themselves away from their problems. Maybe there’s some healthy property or some restorative property that I’m not receiving. It seems like it has a really high fructose content.
And yes, having kids changes a lot.
While I'm pretty sure Ed's kids probably have heard and love more cool music than most kids have (and have probably literally met and had some of the coolest musicians jam in their basement or something), I know in my case it's only because I wanted to make my kids happy that I've seen: Katy Perry, Sia, Billie Eilish (who I actually also like now), and soon Willow Smith & Billie Eilish. Actually, I enjoyed ALL of those shows, but I probably wouldn't have gone to any of them if I didn't have kids.
I feel like I remember some story involving Ed approaching Chance the Rapper (who I do not consider "pop" but he's certainly not garage rock either) and saying his kids love him, which I thought was cool. And would he have discovered Hamilton if not for his girls and his wife? Very possibly not I'd think
some of that is just good music tho. We spun that Lana record til it wore out in 2012. Billie Eilish's first two albums were really good too. Can't say im a fan of Beyonce tho.
Nothing wrong with working with the mega popular producer either if you're still making the music you want to make. Based on one tune i've heard i really like those results too.
He ain’t wrong.
Melbourne #2 '03
Melbourne #3 '03
Melbourne #1 '06
Melbourne #3 '06
Melbourne '09
Melbourne '14
On the MSG 03 DVD
Lana has a couple that I really like as well.
I think the key to much of the newer music is to take it for what it is to you. For me, it is widely disposable. I don't take a Tame Impala album and put it up against 'Ten'. I enjoy it now while not expecting it to be great or hold up to the likes of 'Ten'. And when I tire of it, then that's okay, I move along.