* THE 2ND IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD J TRUMP / INDICTMENT (S) AFTER LEAVING OFFICE *

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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,007
    The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
    CM189191 said:
    Does anyone remember all those financial crimes investigators that were appointed to the Team Mueller investigation? You know the ones, those who investigate international money laundering, organized crime and international money transfers and offshore banking? Remember those guys? How about those 600 shell companies Team Trump Treason has/had? Remember those? And how about Team Trump Treason’s CFO, who we haven’t heard squat from since his arrest or indictment and personal lawyer, good ol Michael Cohen, cooling his heels as he is? Remember all that? Suckers.

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    Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,007
    Excellent thread here, more money to follow


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
    CM189191 said:
    Excellent thread here, more money to follow


    In the Swiss court’s review of the Justice Department’s request for bank records, businesses associated with Betancourt (Calandra Business SA and IPC Investments Corp.) and Convit (Banstead Assets SA and Vencon Holdings Investments) — along with Gazprombank Latin American Ventures B.V. — tried to block the release of CBH bank records to U.S. authorities, but to no avail.

    On March 21, 2013, one wire transfer of about $34.9 million was sent from the Oberto brothers’ Welka account at CBH to another Swiss account held at Gazprombank belonging to Gazprombank Latin America Ventures B.V., which along with Betancourt and Convit unsuccessfully challenged the release of bank records to U.S. authorities.

    The U.S. money-laundering investigation has stirred up political accusations in Venezuela, leading to claims by Maduro’s government that Betancourt, among the U.S. targets, has been backing the president’s main political opponent, Juan Guaidó. Guaidó recently went on a multi-country campaign to prop up his status and was a guest at President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address in early February. (The U.S. government has formally recognized Guaidó as Venezuela’s president, while denouncing Maduro.)

    The minister quoted news articles reporting that Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, represented Betancourt in an effort to persuade Justice Department officials to back off on their criminal investigation — in the aftermath of Giuliani’s visit with the Venezuelan businessman at his castle in Spain last summer.

    What was the dollar amount that the NRA spent in the 2016 Election cycle again? Anyone?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,355
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 17,196
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    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    edited March 2
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    He's being investigated by Ukraine over his alleged pressuring of Ukrainian officials to fire the prosecutor that wanted to investigate Hunter Biden. It's alleged that Joe threatened to withhold U.S. loan guarantees if they didn't fire him. Basically the same sort of stuff the Dems impeached Trump for. So I think Lerxst1992 is suggesting that if Dems never impeached Trump, then Trump and his army (Fox News, etc.) wouldn't have brought up Biden's own shady dealings with the Ukraine. If Biden ends up being the nominee, they'll bring it up again, while noting that Trump was aquitted of what he's been accused of, whether the aquittal was just or not. 

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 23,271
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    He's being investigated by Ukraine over his alleged pressuring of Ukrainian officials to fire the prosecutor that wanted to investigate Hunter Biden. It's alleged that Joe threatened to withhold U.S. loan guarantees if they didn't fire him. Basically the same sort of stuff the Dems impeached Trump for. So I think Lerxst1992 is suggesting that if Dems never impeached Trump, then Trump and his army (Fox News, etc.) wouldn't have brought up Biden's own shady dealings with the Ukraine. If Biden ends up being the nominee, they'll bring it up again, while noting that Trump was aquitted of what he's been accused of, whether the aquittal was just or not. 

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ukraine-investigators-open-case-into-joe-bidens-role-in-firing-of-top-prosecutor
    So in other words everyone can brake any laws from now on  no one to be held accountable 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    edited March 2
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    He's being investigated by Ukraine over his alleged pressuring of Ukrainian officials to fire the prosecutor that wanted to investigate Hunter Biden. It's alleged that Joe threatened to withhold U.S. loan guarantees if they didn't fire him. Basically the same sort of stuff the Dems impeached Trump for. So I think Lerxst1992 is suggesting that if Dems never impeached Trump, then Trump and his army (Fox News, etc.) wouldn't have brought up Biden's own shady dealings with the Ukraine. If Biden ends up being the nominee, they'll bring it up again, while noting that Trump was aquitted of what he's been accused of, whether the aquittal was just or not. 

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ukraine-investigators-open-case-into-joe-bidens-role-in-firing-of-top-prosecutor
    So in other words everyone can brake any laws from now on  no one to be held accountable 
    https://apple.news/AMJPiPAbhRBWBZXwvXm_PCAwhats good for goose is good for the gander! Fuck the precious constitution it’s meaningless document...
    None of that has anything to do with Biden and the investigation. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 23,271
    edited March 3
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    He's being investigated by Ukraine over his alleged pressuring of Ukrainian officials to fire the prosecutor that wanted to investigate Hunter Biden. It's alleged that Joe threatened to withhold U.S. loan guarantees if they didn't fire him. Basically the same sort of stuff the Dems impeached Trump for. So I think Lerxst1992 is suggesting that if Dems never impeached Trump, then Trump and his army (Fox News, etc.) wouldn't have brought up Biden's own shady dealings with the Ukraine. If Biden ends up being the nominee, they'll bring it up again, while noting that Trump was aquitted of what he's been accused of, whether the aquittal was just or not. 

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ukraine-investigators-open-case-into-joe-bidens-role-in-firing-of-top-prosecutor
    So in other words everyone can brake any laws from now on  no one to be held accountable 
    https://apple.news/AMJPiPAbhRBWBZXwvXm_PCAwhats good for goose is good for the gander! Fuck the precious constitution it’s meaningless document...
    Quote function screwed up 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 17,196
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    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
    yeah he just picked up two pretty big endorsements. 

    biden is not hurt by any of this and he is not hurt by impeachment. 

    most people know that the burisma thing is nothing more than gop hair on fire congressmen playing what aboutism again.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
    yeah he just picked up two pretty big endorsements. 

    biden is not hurt by any of this and he is not hurt by impeachment. 

    most people know that the burisma thing is nothing more than gop hair on fire congressmen playing what aboutism again.
    And the Ukrainian "investigation" Ledbetter mentioned is bogus. The American people were clear in who they sided with during the impeachment. They'll see through these things.

    I think most would agree The Washington Post is immensely more credible than the Washington Examiner (a conservative outlet):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html


    Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. In fact, Ukrainian investigations into Burisma related to the period before Hunter Biden joined the board.

    Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.

    “The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.

    “Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”

    She said it was possible for the case to lie dormant in the system for years.

    “If I was a SBI investigator, I would close that case immediately,” she said.

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
    yeah he just picked up two pretty big endorsements. 

    biden is not hurt by any of this and he is not hurt by impeachment. 

    most people know that the burisma thing is nothing more than gop hair on fire congressmen playing what aboutism again.
    And the Ukrainian "investigation" Ledbetter mentioned is bogus. The American people were clear in who they sided with during the impeachment. They'll see through these things.

    I think most would agree The Washington Post is immensely more credible than the Washington Examiner (a conservative outlet):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html


    Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. In fact, Ukrainian investigations into Burisma related to the period before Hunter Biden joined the board.

    Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.

    “The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.

    “Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”

    She said it was possible for the case to lie dormant in the system for years.

    “If I was a SBI investigator, I would close that case immediately,” she said.

    Bogus as in it's not happening? Or bogus as in you agree with this Kaleniuk that it's a bullshit case to investigate? 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    edited March 3
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
    yeah he just picked up two pretty big endorsements. 

    biden is not hurt by any of this and he is not hurt by impeachment. 

    most people know that the burisma thing is nothing more than gop hair on fire congressmen playing what aboutism again.
    And the Ukrainian "investigation" Ledbetter mentioned is bogus. The American people were clear in who they sided with during the impeachment. They'll see through these things.

    I think most would agree The Washington Post is immensely more credible than the Washington Examiner (a conservative outlet):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html


    Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. In fact, Ukrainian investigations into Burisma related to the period before Hunter Biden joined the board.

    Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.

    “The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.

    “Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”

    She said it was possible for the case to lie dormant in the system for years.

    “If I was a SBI investigator, I would close that case immediately,” she said.

    Bogus as in it's not happening? Or bogus as in you agree with this Kaleniuk that it's a bullshit case to investigate? 
    It's obviously happening...however, it's apparently easier to open up a bogus investigation in Ukraine than it is for some people to vote in this country. Pretty obvious Shokin, the corrupt prosecutor who the entire democratic world agreed was corrupt, found (bribed? it is the Ukraine) a judge/court to agree to the case....but it's not going anywhere. They've already looked into it and found he did nothing wrong. The timeline itself doesn't make sense for them. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
    yeah he just picked up two pretty big endorsements. 

    biden is not hurt by any of this and he is not hurt by impeachment. 

    most people know that the burisma thing is nothing more than gop hair on fire congressmen playing what aboutism again.
    And the Ukrainian "investigation" Ledbetter mentioned is bogus. The American people were clear in who they sided with during the impeachment. They'll see through these things.

    I think most would agree The Washington Post is immensely more credible than the Washington Examiner (a conservative outlet):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html


    Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. In fact, Ukrainian investigations into Burisma related to the period before Hunter Biden joined the board.

    Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.

    “The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.

    “Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”

    She said it was possible for the case to lie dormant in the system for years.

    “If I was a SBI investigator, I would close that case immediately,” she said.

    Bogus as in it's not happening? Or bogus as in you agree with this Kaleniuk that it's a bullshit case to investigate? 
    It's obviously happening...however, it's apparently easier to open up a bogus investigation in Ukraine than it is for some people to vote in this country. Pretty obvious Shokin, the corrupt prosecutor who the entire democratic world agreed was corrupt, found (bribed? it is the Ukraine) a judge/court to agree to the case....but it's not going anywhere. They've already looked into it and found he did nothing wrong. The timeline itself doesn't make sense for them. 
    That's all well and good but it'll still be a talking point for Trump and co. If they were bringing that stuff up just to distract from Trump's impeachment, they'll bring it up tenfold if Trump is directly opposed by Biden. 

    But I guess we should wait and see how things go for Joe today on Super "Thursday" before we concern ourselves with what ways Trump will go about slandering him in the general. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
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    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
    yeah he just picked up two pretty big endorsements. 

    biden is not hurt by any of this and he is not hurt by impeachment. 

    most people know that the burisma thing is nothing more than gop hair on fire congressmen playing what aboutism again.
    And the Ukrainian "investigation" Ledbetter mentioned is bogus. The American people were clear in who they sided with during the impeachment. They'll see through these things.

    I think most would agree The Washington Post is immensely more credible than the Washington Examiner (a conservative outlet):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html


    Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. In fact, Ukrainian investigations into Burisma related to the period before Hunter Biden joined the board.

    Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.

    “The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.

    “Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”

    She said it was possible for the case to lie dormant in the system for years.

    “If I was a SBI investigator, I would close that case immediately,” she said.

    Bogus as in it's not happening? Or bogus as in you agree with this Kaleniuk that it's a bullshit case to investigate? 
    It's obviously happening...however, it's apparently easier to open up a bogus investigation in Ukraine than it is for some people to vote in this country. Pretty obvious Shokin, the corrupt prosecutor who the entire democratic world agreed was corrupt, found (bribed? it is the Ukraine) a judge/court to agree to the case....but it's not going anywhere. They've already looked into it and found he did nothing wrong. The timeline itself doesn't make sense for them. 
    That's all well and good but it'll still be a talking point for Trump and co. If they were bringing that stuff up just to distract from Trump's impeachment, they'll bring it up tenfold if Trump is directly opposed by Biden. 

    But I guess we should wait and see how things go for Joe today on Super "Thursday" before we concern ourselves with what ways Trump will go about slandering him in the general. 
    Yeah I know. But, again, I'll just go back to the poll numbers from during the impeachment process. Seems as if most of the country agreed Trump was in the wrong and that the republicans ran a sham trial by not even calling witnesses. So now, they see Ron Johnson suddenly call for subpoenas the day after Biden wins SC and then look this nonsense investigation.......I don't know man. I think most of the country outside of Trumps deplorable base see's through that stuff at this point. 

    And if I had to choose between Biden's son's issues and Bernie's love for communism being a big issue this year, I will take the former! None are ideal, obviously. But hey, this is where we are. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    The first impeachment probably hurt Biden more than trump. Nice work Madam Speaker. 
    in what way? biden now has more primary votes than the winners of previous primaries combined. he is going to surge after south carolina.
    Yeah....seems as if Joe is looking pretty good right about now. Who has had a better last few days than him?
    And I don't think any Republican subpoenas are going to hurt him much. The public will see through it as most felt the impeachment wasn't a fair trial anyway. 
    yeah he just picked up two pretty big endorsements. 

    biden is not hurt by any of this and he is not hurt by impeachment. 

    most people know that the burisma thing is nothing more than gop hair on fire congressmen playing what aboutism again.
    And the Ukrainian "investigation" Ledbetter mentioned is bogus. The American people were clear in who they sided with during the impeachment. They'll see through these things.

    I think most would agree The Washington Post is immensely more credible than the Washington Examiner (a conservative outlet):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html


    Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. In fact, Ukrainian investigations into Burisma related to the period before Hunter Biden joined the board.

    Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.

    “The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.

    “Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”

    She said it was possible for the case to lie dormant in the system for years.

    “If I was a SBI investigator, I would close that case immediately,” she said.

    Bogus as in it's not happening? Or bogus as in you agree with this Kaleniuk that it's a bullshit case to investigate? 
    It's obviously happening...however, it's apparently easier to open up a bogus investigation in Ukraine than it is for some people to vote in this country. Pretty obvious Shokin, the corrupt prosecutor who the entire democratic world agreed was corrupt, found (bribed? it is the Ukraine) a judge/court to agree to the case....but it's not going anywhere. They've already looked into it and found he did nothing wrong. The timeline itself doesn't make sense for them. 
    That's all well and good but it'll still be a talking point for Trump and co. If they were bringing that stuff up just to distract from Trump's impeachment, they'll bring it up tenfold if Trump is directly opposed by Biden. 

    But I guess we should wait and see how things go for Joe today on Super "Thursday" before we concern ourselves with what ways Trump will go about slandering him in the general. 
    Yeah I know. But, again, I'll just go back to the poll numbers from during the impeachment process. Seems as if most of the country agreed Trump was in the wrong and that the republicans ran a sham trial by not even calling witnesses. So now, they see Ron Johnson suddenly call for subpoenas the day after Biden wins SC and then look this nonsense investigation.......I don't know man. I think most of the country outside of Trumps deplorable base see's through that stuff at this point. 

    And if I had to choose between Biden's son's issues and Bernie's love for communism being a big issue this year, I will take the former! None are ideal, obviously. But hey, this is where we are. 
    I think that the people that give enough of a crap and follow this stuff see through it. But I bet a majority of Americans didn't even care about or follow Trump's impeachment. And they probably aren't even aware of Trump's Hunter Biden obsession. I just don't know how much any of that stuff moved the needle in either direction.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 21,239
    he is going to win re-election and he is never going to face justice. 

    if dems did not go after bush and cheney for their war crimes in iraq, trump is for sure going to skate until he dies at the age of 103.

    the good die young. pricks live forever.

    At that time I was pretty angry at Obama. But in hindsight he was correct.

    As bad as trump is, we should never ever ever be THAT country that locks up or indicts former presidents.

    unless, of course, they shoot someone on Fifth Avenue 

     

    how was obama right? if a president breaks the law, especially war crimes that kill thousands and thousands of innocents, how she he get off scott free for that?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
    An unredacted Team Mueller Report being released this summer would be hot, seeing how CYA disBarr lied about the reasoning behind the redactions and mischaracterized the findings of the report in his four page summary. Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no obstruction.”
    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”
    “No quid pro quo.”
    “Imminent threat.”
    “I thought he was Israeli.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment, again.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    An unredacted Team Mueller Report being released this summer would be hot, seeing how CYA disBarr lied about the reasoning behind the redactions and mischaracterized the findings of the report in his four page summary. Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no obstruction.”
    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”
    “No quid pro quo.”
    “Imminent threat.”
    “I thought he was Israeli.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment, again.
    Are they really releasing the unreacted report?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
    An unredacted Team Mueller Report being released this summer would be hot, seeing how CYA disBarr lied about the reasoning behind the redactions and mischaracterized the findings of the report in his four page summary. Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no obstruction.”
    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”
    “No quid pro quo.”
    “Imminent threat.”
    “I thought he was Israeli.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment, again.
    Are they really releasing the unreacted report?
    The judge in the case is very skeptical of the reasoning and justifications CYA disBarr used to redact the Team Mueller Report. Buzzfeed and someone else is suing for a full unredacted  version to be released. Me thinks that’s damaging and would have had major implications regarding impeachment. Freedom of the press, yo!

    CYA disBarr put the kabosh on everything Team Mueller. Team Trump Treason can run but he can’t hide. The truth shall prevail. There were a lot of HOM designations in that report. SDNY continues to quietly do its thing.

    Where’s Ghouliani and his Ukraine report? Anyone?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,905
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    Is it wise to try and impeach him again?

  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    Is it wise to try and impeach him again?

    If it warrants it, it must be done. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,935
    An unredacted Team Mueller Report being released this summer would be hot, seeing how CYA disBarr lied about the reasoning behind the redactions and mischaracterized the findings of the report in his four page summary. Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no obstruction.”
    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”
    “No quid pro quo.”
    “Imminent threat.”
    “I thought he was Israeli.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment, again.
    Are they really releasing the unreacted report?
    The judge in the case is very skeptical of the reasoning and justifications CYA disBarr used to redact the Team Mueller Report. Buzzfeed and someone else is suing for a full unredacted  version to be released. Me thinks that’s damaging and would have had major implications regarding impeachment. Freedom of the press, yo!

    CYA disBarr put the kabosh on everything Team Mueller. Team Trump Treason can run but he can’t hide. The truth shall prevail. There were a lot of HOM designations in that report. SDNY continues to quietly do its thing.

    Where’s Ghouliani and his Ukraine report? Anyone?
    Oh was this the judge who had harsh comments for Barr yesterday or the day before? Kind of out of the loop lately, but that would make sense..
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
    An unredacted Team Mueller Report being released this summer would be hot, seeing how CYA disBarr lied about the reasoning behind the redactions and mischaracterized the findings of the report in his four page summary. Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no obstruction.”
    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”
    “No quid pro quo.”
    “Imminent threat.”
    “I thought he was Israeli.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment, again.
    Are they really releasing the unreacted report?
    The judge in the case is very skeptical of the reasoning and justifications CYA disBarr used to redact the Team Mueller Report. Buzzfeed and someone else is suing for a full unredacted  version to be released. Me thinks that’s damaging and would have had major implications regarding impeachment. Freedom of the press, yo!

    CYA disBarr put the kabosh on everything Team Mueller. Team Trump Treason can run but he can’t hide. The truth shall prevail. There were a lot of HOM designations in that report. SDNY continues to quietly do its thing.

    Where’s Ghouliani and his Ukraine report? Anyone?
    Oh was this the judge who had harsh comments for Barr yesterday or the day before? Kind of out of the loop lately, but that would make sense..
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/politics/judge-mueller-report-barr/index.html

    With Roger Dodger Stoned’s trial concluded more of the report should become available. Which will lead to more questions and requests for more to be released. Connecting dots is fun!
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