** THE IMPENDING IMPEACHMENT OR RESIGNATION OF DONALD J TRUMP **

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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,423
    While you may not use the term slave yourself to describe these situations, a quick search of the definitions and uses of the word do indeed show it’s a legit term to use.
    Indeed
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,454
    There may be an email trail that claims a conduit for Russian funds are vailable to the RNC via the NRA. And, if called before the senate committee investigating Russian interference in the election, he'd take the fifth. And we all know what that means according to Team Trump Treason.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-target-butinas-gop-boyfriend-as-foreign-agent

    “Charging an American under 951 in the context of the Russia investigation is especially serious because that statute is generally reserved for espionage-like cases, such as intelligence-gathering on behalf of a foreign government,” said Ryan Goodman, a former Defense Department attorney who now teaches at the New York University School of Law.

    “Essentially what it would say is that an American was acting to advance the interests of a foreign power, contrary to the interests of the United States of America,” said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor. 

    Department investigators aren’t the only ones interested in Erickson. Staffers with the Senate intelligence committee, which is probing Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential elections, have also asked to speak with him. But a lawyer for Erickson told them he would plead the Fifth Amendment if subpoenaed to testify, a source familiar with those communications confirmed to The Daily Beast. Investigators will not force Erickson to appear just to take the Fifth. William Hurd, who is representing Erickson on the Senate intelligence committee matter, declined to comment.

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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,984
    Maria Butina plea deal may be near
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/butina-plea-deal-negotiations/index.html
    Attorneys for Maria Butina and the Justice Department gave more signs Thursday morning they are negotiating a plea deal for the accused Russian spy.
    In a conference call with a federal judge in Washington, the attorneys said another upcoming hearing in the case should be canceled and that subpoenas planned for American University, where Butina was a graduate student, may be withdrawn by the end of this week.
    Both prosecutors and defense attorneys have previously indicated they were negotiating to end Butina's case.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,252
    edited December 6
    2018
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    Amazing how quickly you get personal.
    Yawn...Right after you said “Showing your sexist tendencies” to my2hands...???

    After he said the same of me because I asked a legit question? Do try to follow along or should I say your reading comprehension sucks?
    Well he wasn’t the one whining about getting personal.  You can say whatever the hell you want... Now back to topic, debtors are “slaves ” to their lenders in some definitions of the word “Holmes” or “Watson” or which ever one you are now.

    I 100% reject the slave analogy on all levels. No matter how you're selling it, all you're really doing is removing some amount of responsibility from politicians who are willing to sell their souls and the people they serve to the devil, and rejecting the fact that they have complete control over the circumstances, when in fact they do have complete control. They could say NO. They could STOP. But they CHOOSE not to because of their own greed and ego, and their own decision to let go of morality.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 32,332
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    I pooped a Cornish game hen.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,454
    Who here is ready to impeach Team Trump Treason for hiring illegals? How’s this being reported over at Faux News?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,454
    Cracks in the facade? Of Team Trump Treason Tower?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/420137-tucker-carlson-trump-has-not-kept-his-promises

    Would love to see a private poll of all repub senators to see how many would vote for impeachment given what we know and have experienced thus far. And poll every week, say on Friday.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,252
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    Who here is ready to impeach Team Trump Treason for hiring illegals? How’s this being reported over at Faux News?
    I don't know what you're talking about. Can you post the news?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,454
    PJ_Soul said:
    Who here is ready to impeach Team Trump Treason for hiring illegals? How’s this being reported over at Faux News?
    I don't know what you're talking about. Can you post the news?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/trump-bedminster-golf-undocumented-workers.html
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,252
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Who here is ready to impeach Team Trump Treason for hiring illegals? How’s this being reported over at Faux News?
    I don't know what you're talking about. Can you post the news?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/trump-bedminster-golf-undocumented-workers.html
    HA!!

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,645
    2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    Amazing how quickly you get personal.
    Yawn...Right after you said “Showing your sexist tendencies” to my2hands...???

    After he said the same of me because I asked a legit question? Do try to follow along or should I say your reading comprehension sucks?
    Well he wasn’t the one whining about getting personal.  You can say whatever the hell you want... Now back to topic, debtors are “slaves ” to their lenders in some definitions of the word “Holmes” or “Watson” or which ever one you are now.

    I 100% reject the slave analogy on all levels. No matter how you're selling it, all you're really doing is removing some amount of responsibility from politicians who are willing to sell their souls and the people they serve to the devil, and rejecting the fact that they have complete control over the circumstances, when in fact they do have complete control. They could say NO. They could STOP. But they CHOOSE not to because of their own greed and ego, and their own decision to let go of morality.
    Yeah fuck the dictionary!!!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,252
    edited December 7
    2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    Amazing how quickly you get personal.
    Yawn...Right after you said “Showing your sexist tendencies” to my2hands...???

    After he said the same of me because I asked a legit question? Do try to follow along or should I say your reading comprehension sucks?
    Well he wasn’t the one whining about getting personal.  You can say whatever the hell you want... Now back to topic, debtors are “slaves ” to their lenders in some definitions of the word “Holmes” or “Watson” or which ever one you are now.

    I 100% reject the slave analogy on all levels. No matter how you're selling it, all you're really doing is removing some amount of responsibility from politicians who are willing to sell their souls and the people they serve to the devil, and rejecting the fact that they have complete control over the circumstances, when in fact they do have complete control. They could say NO. They could STOP. But they CHOOSE not to because of their own greed and ego, and their own decision to let go of morality.
    Yeah fuck the dictionary!!!
    Huh??? What in the hell are you talking about? There is nothing in the dictionary that is contrary to what I just said.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,047
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     
    Omg, get off the “slave” wording. All I am saying is that they are owned to an extent (in reference to senators and people in debt). Yes, it is your choice to be in or not be in debt. The narrow mindedness around here...
    But since some of you cannot get past the wording, here is another definition of “slave” that may fit politicians:
    “a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
    "the poorest people of the world are slaves to the banks"
    synonyms:devotee, worshiper, adherent;More
    fan, lover, aficionado;
    informalfanatic, freak, nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol


    If you want people to "get off the slave wording", then maybe don't use the word yourself in your posts.....

    I'll see your figurative use of "slaves to the banks" and raise you this:




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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,035
    2017
    Bdsm slaves are voluntary...

    *mic drop*
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,454
    Negotiating a revision to those very easy answers? That only Team Trump Treason wrote? Ghouliani no commenting? Or a plea in the making?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-lawyers-special-counsel-discussions-following-written-submission-president-s-n945061
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  • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 3,546
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    2019
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     
    Omg, get off the “slave” wording. All I am saying is that they are owned to an extent (in reference to senators and people in debt). Yes, it is your choice to be in or not be in debt. The narrow mindedness around here...
    But since some of you cannot get past the wording, here is another definition of “slave” that may fit politicians:
    “a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
    "the poorest people of the world are slaves to the banks"
    synonyms:devotee, worshiper, adherent;More
    fan, lover, aficionado;
    informalfanatic, freak, nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol

    I am assuming that you make a good salary, have no dependents, have a wealthy family, have been lucky enough not to have a disability effect your life or you live in a van and subsist off of self grown vegetables.

    Credit card debt is not a choice in the way that you are so loosely throwing around. If one does not have any disposable income and a child needs dental treatment, do I let my child suffer or do I put it on credit? If my car needs to be fixed, do I say no and let it explode leaving me with no car and no ability to get a new car, or do I put it on a credit card? Credit cards are the only way that a lot of people in this country are able to manage daily 'bumps' in otherwise comfortable people's lives. 

    Slave is a nasty term and to so cutely use it to denigrate people who have no choice but to use credit in order to live is kind of despicable. 

    Happy that you can pay off your credit card debt in full each month, or purchase everything with cash. It must be nice to be that lucky (and don't tell me it's all about how much hard work you've done. That doesn't make a bit of difference if one thing goes sidewise in life). It also makes one think they are better than others. 

    I'd rather be in debt than look down my nose at people. And I take exception to things that are meant to make the majority of the people in the US look like irresponsible idiots. 
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    Did you ever think you would be agreeing with Bill Kristol? Lol crazy world 
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,423
    edited December 7
    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     
    Omg, get off the “slave” wording. All I am saying is that they are owned to an extent (in reference to senators and people in debt). Yes, it is your choice to be in or not be in debt. The narrow mindedness around here...
    But since some of you cannot get past the wording, here is another definition of “slave” that may fit politicians:
    “a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
    "the poorest people of the world are slaves to the banks"
    synonyms:devotee, worshiper, adherent;More
    fan, lover, aficionado;
    informalfanatic, freak, nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol

    I am assuming that you make a good salary, have no dependents, have a wealthy family, have been lucky enough not to have a disability effect your life or you live in a van and subsist off of self grown vegetables.

    Credit card debt is not a choice in the way that you are so loosely throwing around. If one does not have any disposable income and a child needs dental treatment, do I let my child suffer or do I put it on credit? If my car needs to be fixed, do I say no and let it explode leaving me with no car and no ability to get a new car, or do I put it on a credit card? Credit cards are the only way that a lot of people in this country are able to manage daily 'bumps' in otherwise comfortable people's lives. 

    Slave is a nasty term and to so cutely use it to denigrate people who have no choice but to use credit in order to live is kind of despicable. 

    Happy that you can pay off your credit card debt in full each month, or purchase everything with cash. It must be nice to be that lucky (and don't tell me it's all about how much hard work you've done. That doesn't make a bit of difference if one thing goes sidewise in life). It also makes one think they are better than others. 

    I'd rather be in debt than look down my nose at people. And I take exception to things that are meant to make the majority of the people in the US look like irresponsible idiots. 
    I am definitely not rich, but do choose to live debt free.  Of course there are exceptions that put people in a position where they must borrow money, but you seem to completely gloss over the majority of people that just over indulge and overspend on things that they cannot actually afford.  How may people buy things like TVs and random non-necessities on credit?  How many take out the largest loan they can when buying cars or even houses that they can barely afford to make payments on?  I used to believe the credit card hype until I diligently made the effort to pay them off and cut them up.  Since then (and online banking has made it so much easier), I save up for stuff and have an emergency fund that I held off buying “fun stuff” to build so that I can pay out of pocket if my child ever needed a dental procedure or something.  It was hard work paying those things off, but now that I have, life is way less complicated financially.  My argument is against people living beyond their means in general.  I specifically contribute to a “vehicle fund” every month because I know I will eventually have car issues.  There is always the chance that a medical procedure could put me in debt, but if that happened, at least I wouldn’t be having to worry about paying off a big TV or car at the same time.  I think that the issue is that people in general live with a “gotta have it now” mentality and get into debt problems due to buying things on credit that aren’t necessary for survival.  I do make more now than I used to, but I was right at lower middle class wages when I payed off every bit of my debt.  It took missing out on some “fun” things like concerts here and there, but was totally worth it not to be giving my paycheck to credit card companies now.  Again, I know that there are life events that may put someone in debt, but even then priority should be in getting out of it, not racking up more to the point that your whole paycheck goes towards those payments.  There are tons of stories out there of people essentially in poverty due to low paying jobs that are still completely debt free.  I truly think that people that pay for things like  concert tickets with credit  cards are irresponsible and not considering some of the things that you mentioned, such as the probability of car trouble in the future.  

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 32,332
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    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     
    Omg, get off the “slave” wording. All I am saying is that they are owned to an extent (in reference to senators and people in debt). Yes, it is your choice to be in or not be in debt. The narrow mindedness around here...
    But since some of you cannot get past the wording, here is another definition of “slave” that may fit politicians:
    “a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
    "the poorest people of the world are slaves to the banks"
    synonyms:devotee, worshiper, adherent;More
    fan, lover, aficionado;
    informalfanatic, freak, nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol

    I am assuming that you make a good salary, have no dependents, have a wealthy family, have been lucky enough not to have a disability effect your life or you live in a van and subsist off of self grown vegetables.

    Credit card debt is not a choice in the way that you are so loosely throwing around. If one does not have any disposable income and a child needs dental treatment, do I let my child suffer or do I put it on credit? If my car needs to be fixed, do I say no and let it explode leaving me with no car and no ability to get a new car, or do I put it on a credit card? Credit cards are the only way that a lot of people in this country are able to manage daily 'bumps' in otherwise comfortable people's lives. 

    Slave is a nasty term and to so cutely use it to denigrate people who have no choice but to use credit in order to live is kind of despicable. 

    Happy that you can pay off your credit card debt in full each month, or purchase everything with cash. It must be nice to be that lucky (and don't tell me it's all about how much hard work you've done. That doesn't make a bit of difference if one thing goes sidewise in life). It also makes one think they are better than others. 

    I'd rather be in debt than look down my nose at people. And I take exception to things that are meant to make the majority of the people in the US look like irresponsible idiots. 
    I am definitely not rich, but do choose to live debt free.  Of course there are exceptions that put people in a position where they must borrow money, but you seem to completely gloss over the majority of people that just over indulge and overspend on things that they cannot actually afford.  How may people buy things like TVs and random non-necessities on credit?  How many take out the largest loan they can when buying cars or even houses that they can barely afford to make payments on?  I used to believe the credit card hype until I diligently made the effort to pay them off and cut them up.  Since then (and online banking has made it so much easier), I save up for stuff and have an emergency fund that I held off buying “fun stuff” to build so that I can pay out of pocket if my child ever needed a dental procedure or something.  It was hard work paying those things off, but now that I have, life is way less complicated financially.  My argument is against people living beyond their means in general.  I specifically contribute to a “vehicle fund” every month because I know I will eventually have car issues.  There is always the chance that a medical procedure could put me in debt, but if that happened, at least I wouldn’t be having to worry about paying off a big TV or car at the same time.  I think that the issue is that people in general live with a “gotta have it now” mentality and get into debt problems due to buying things on credit that aren’t necessary for survival.  I do make more now than I used to, but I was right at lower middle class wages when I payed off every bit of my debt.  It took missing out on some “fun” things like concerts here and there, but was totally worth it not to be giving my paycheck to credit card companies now.  Again, I know that there are life events that may put someone in debt, but even then priority should be in getting out of it, not racking up more to the point that your whole paycheck goes towards those payments.  There are tons of stories out there of people essentially in poverty due to low paying jobs that are still completely debt free.  I truly think that people that pay for things like  concert tickets with credit  cards are irresponsible and not considering some of the things that you mentioned, such as the probability of car trouble in the future.  

    Debt is dumb, cash is king, and the paid-off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice

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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 8,949
    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     
    Omg, get off the “slave” wording. All I am saying is that they are owned to an extent (in reference to senators and people in debt). Yes, it is your choice to be in or not be in debt. The narrow mindedness around here...
    But since some of you cannot get past the wording, here is another definition of “slave” that may fit politicians:
    “a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
    "the poorest people of the world are slaves to the banks"
    synonyms:devotee, worshiper, adherent;More
    fan, lover, aficionado;
    informalfanatic, freak, nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol

    I am assuming that you make a good salary, have no dependents, have a wealthy family, have been lucky enough not to have a disability effect your life or you live in a van and subsist off of self grown vegetables.

    Credit card debt is not a choice in the way that you are so loosely throwing around. If one does not have any disposable income and a child needs dental treatment, do I let my child suffer or do I put it on credit? If my car needs to be fixed, do I say no and let it explode leaving me with no car and no ability to get a new car, or do I put it on a credit card? Credit cards are the only way that a lot of people in this country are able to manage daily 'bumps' in otherwise comfortable people's lives. 

    Slave is a nasty term and to so cutely use it to denigrate people who have no choice but to use credit in order to live is kind of despicable. 

    Happy that you can pay off your credit card debt in full each month, or purchase everything with cash. It must be nice to be that lucky (and don't tell me it's all about how much hard work you've done. That doesn't make a bit of difference if one thing goes sidewise in life). It also makes one think they are better than others. 

    I'd rather be in debt than look down my nose at people. And I take exception to things that are meant to make the majority of the people in the US look like irresponsible idiots. 
    I am definitely not rich, but do choose to live debt free.  Of course there are exceptions that put people in a position where they must borrow money, but you seem to completely gloss over the majority of people that just over indulge and overspend on things that they cannot actually afford.  How may people buy things like TVs and random non-necessities on credit?  How many take out the largest loan they can when buying cars or even houses that they can barely afford to make payments on?  I used to believe the credit card hype until I diligently made the effort to pay them off and cut them up.  Since then (and online banking has made it so much easier), I save up for stuff and have an emergency fund that I held off buying “fun stuff” to build so that I can pay out of pocket if my child ever needed a dental procedure or something.  It was hard work paying those things off, but now that I have, life is way less complicated financially.  My argument is against people living beyond their means in general.  I specifically contribute to a “vehicle fund” every month because I know I will eventually have car issues.  There is always the chance that a medical procedure could put me in debt, but if that happened, at least I wouldn’t be having to worry about paying off a big TV or car at the same time.  I think that the issue is that people in general live with a “gotta have it now” mentality and get into debt problems due to buying things on credit that aren’t necessary for survival.  I do make more now than I used to, but I was right at lower middle class wages when I payed off every bit of my debt.  It took missing out on some “fun” things like concerts here and there, but was totally worth it not to be giving my paycheck to credit card companies now.  Again, I know that there are life events that may put someone in debt, but even then priority should be in getting out of it, not racking up more to the point that your whole paycheck goes towards those payments.  There are tons of stories out there of people essentially in poverty due to low paying jobs that are still completely debt free.  I truly think that people that pay for things like  concert tickets with credit  cards are irresponsible and not considering some of the things that you mentioned, such as the probability of car trouble in the future.  

    i get what you are saying but I think there is a balance between the two.  why not indulge a bit and have fun even if it costs a bit more than you expect? who cares if you have a little debt if you are living life?  life is about people and moments (at least to me) so missing out on those people and moments because i don't want a balance on a credit card doesn't make sense for how i want to live my life.  unless you are living way beyond your means then i don't see a huge issue with some debt.  
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,423
    edited December 7
    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     


    nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol

    I am assuming that you make a good salary, have no dependents, have a wealthy family, have been lucky enough not to have a disability effect your life or you live in a van and subsist off of self grown vegetables.

    Credit card debt is not a choice in the way that you are so loosely throwing around. If one does not have any disposable income and a child needs dental treatment, do I let my child suffer or do I put it on credit? If my car needs to be fixed, do I say no and let it explode leaving me with no car and no ability to get a new car, or do I put it on a credit card? Credit cards are the only way that a lot of people in this country are able to manage daily 'bumps' in otherwise comfortable people's lives. 

    Slave is a nasty term and to so cutely use it to denigrate people who have no choice but to use credit in order to live is kind of despicable. 

    Happy that you can pay off your credit card debt in full each month, or purchase everything with cash. It must be nice to be that lucky (and don't tell me it's all about how much hard work you've done. That doesn't make a bit of difference if one thing goes sidewise in life). It also makes one think they are better than others. 

    I'd rather be in debt than look down my nose at people. And I take exception to things that are meant to make the majority of the people in the US look like irresponsible idiots. 
    I am definitely not rich, but do choose to live debt free.  Of course there are exceptions that put people in a position where they must borrow money, but you seem to completely gloss over the majority of people that just over indulge and overspend on things that they cannot actually afford.  How may people buy things like TVs and random non-necessities on credit?  How many take out the largest loan they can when buying cars or even houses that they can barely afford to make payments on?  I used to believe the credit card hype until I diligently made the effort to pay them off and cut them up.  Since then (and online banking has made it so much easier), I save up for stuff and have an emergency fund that I held off buying “fun stuff” to build so that I can pay out of pocket if my child ever needed a dental procedure or something.  It was hard work paying those things off, but now that I have, life is way less complicated financially.  My argument is against people living beyond their means in general.  I specifically contribute to a “vehicle fund” every month because I know I will eventually have car issues.  There is always the chance that a medical procedure could put me in debt, but if that happened, at least I wouldn’t be having to worry about paying off a big TV or car at the same time.  I think that the issue is that people in general live with a “gotta have it now” mentality and get into debt problems due to buying things on credit that aren’t necessary for survival.  I do make more now than I used to, but I was right at lower middle class wages when I payed off every bit of my debt.  It took missing out on some “fun” things like concerts here and there, but was totally worth it not to be giving my paycheck to credit card companies now.  Again, I know that there are life events that may put someone in debt, but even then priority should be in getting out of it, not racking up more to the point that your whole paycheck goes towards those payments.  There are tons of stories out there of people essentially in poverty due to low paying jobs that are still completely debt free.  I truly think that people that pay for things like  concert tickets with credit  cards are irresponsible and not considering some of the things that you mentioned, such as the probability of car trouble in the future.  

    Debt is dumb, cash is king, and the paid-off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice

    eh tu, @PJPower?
    Nice Dave Ramsey quote, and I agree. 
    In other words, don’t buy frivolous shit if you cannot
    afford it.  An $8000 used car payed for with cash will most likely get you around just as well as a $40,000 car with $600 monthly payments.
    If you can afford to save up for a $40,000 BMW, and that is truly what your heart desires, then go right ahead and buy it.  In the end you will be out the same amount of money (a little less if you saved for it due to lack of interest), but it should sting a bit when making a purchase like that.  You don’t get that “sting” when you swipe a credit card.  Personally, I would rather buy the $8000 car and put the $600 a month into investments, but everyone has their priorities I suppose.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 32,332
    2019
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     


    nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol

    I am assuming that you make a good salary, have no dependents, have a wealthy family, have been lucky enough not to have a disability effect your life or you live in a van and subsist off of self grown vegetables.

    Credit card debt is not a choice in the way that you are so loosely throwing around. If one does not have any disposable income and a child needs dental treatment, do I let my child suffer or do I put it on credit? If my car needs to be fixed, do I say no and let it explode leaving me with no car and no ability to get a new car, or do I put it on a credit card? Credit cards are the only way that a lot of people in this country are able to manage daily 'bumps' in otherwise comfortable people's lives. 

    Slave is a nasty term and to so cutely use it to denigrate people who have no choice but to use credit in order to live is kind of despicable. 

    Happy that you can pay off your credit card debt in full each month, or purchase everything with cash. It must be nice to be that lucky (and don't tell me it's all about how much hard work you've done. That doesn't make a bit of difference if one thing goes sidewise in life). It also makes one think they are better than others. 

    I'd rather be in debt than look down my nose at people. And I take exception to things that are meant to make the majority of the people in the US look like irresponsible idiots. 
    I am definitely not rich, but do choose to live debt free.  Of course there are exceptions that put people in a position where they must borrow money, but you seem to completely gloss over the majority of people that just over indulge and overspend on things that they cannot actually afford.  How may people buy things like TVs and random non-necessities on credit?  How many take out the largest loan they can when buying cars or even houses that they can barely afford to make payments on?  I used to believe the credit card hype until I diligently made the effort to pay them off and cut them up.  Since then (and online banking has made it so much easier), I save up for stuff and have an emergency fund that I held off buying “fun stuff” to build so that I can pay out of pocket if my child ever needed a dental procedure or something.  It was hard work paying those things off, but now that I have, life is way less complicated financially.  My argument is against people living beyond their means in general.  I specifically contribute to a “vehicle fund” every month because I know I will eventually have car issues.  There is always the chance that a medical procedure could put me in debt, but if that happened, at least I wouldn’t be having to worry about paying off a big TV or car at the same time.  I think that the issue is that people in general live with a “gotta have it now” mentality and get into debt problems due to buying things on credit that aren’t necessary for survival.  I do make more now than I used to, but I was right at lower middle class wages when I payed off every bit of my debt.  It took missing out on some “fun” things like concerts here and there, but was totally worth it not to be giving my paycheck to credit card companies now.  Again, I know that there are life events that may put someone in debt, but even then priority should be in getting out of it, not racking up more to the point that your whole paycheck goes towards those payments.  There are tons of stories out there of people essentially in poverty due to low paying jobs that are still completely debt free.  I truly think that people that pay for things like  concert tickets with credit  cards are irresponsible and not considering some of the things that you mentioned, such as the probability of car trouble in the future.  

    Debt is dumb, cash is king, and the paid-off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice

    eh tu, @PJPower?
    Nice Dave Ramsey quote, and I agree. 
    In other words, don’t buy frivolous shit if you cannot
    afford it.  An $8000 used car payed for with cash will most likely get you around just as well as a $40,000 car with $600 monthly payments.
    If you can afford to save up for a $40,000 BMW, and that is truly what your heart desires, then go right ahead and buy it.  In the end you will be out the same amount of money (a little less if you saved for it due to lack of interest), but it should sting a bit when making a purchase like that.  You don’t get that “sting” when you swipe a credit card.  Personally, I would rather buy the $8000 car and put the $600 a month into investments, but everyone has their priorities I suppose.
    ha...yeah, I am a fan of Dave's. I don't agree with everything he says (like aiming to have a zero credit score, for example) but, overall, it should be everyone's goal to live debt free--or as close to it as possible. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,423
    edited December 7
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    And isn’t the senate judiciary committee currently repub held and majority? The senate has been lied to. Repeatedly. The integrity of the senate will be on trial. Might not be all that difficult to find 20 angry repub senators.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/roger-stone-fifth-amendment/index.html
    Integrity of the senate will be on trial? lol Since when has the US senate had integrity? The vast majority of them are bought & sold faster than the prostitutes on the Ptape 
    Yea, sure. It’s a rare opportunity to “do the right thing.”
     
    The only time they do the right thing is if their owners give them a green light... they only do things that benefit them politically

    Bought & sold like slaves. Yes mastah

    Where the fuck is George Carlin when i need him lol

     Thats the second poor analogy you've made today.
    You really want to try and defend the US senate? 

    Almost entirely all of them are nothing more than bought & sold SLAVES... just like the rest of the vast majority of the political class
    C’mon, you believe that? The US Senate is 100 members of a slave class? When do you move out of the US? And why do you bother voting, particularly for female candidates if they are all slaves?
     
    Maybe not “slaves” in the literal, but they are definitely owned to different extents.  Same is true for people with credit card debts ;)
    I disagree. The slave analogy doesn’t apply to either.
     
    Your reading comprehension sucks.  They are both owned to an extent.

    No, and no. There is a massive element of choice in each that is conspicuously lacking with slavery. Kanye notwithstanding. 
     


    nut, addict
    "a fashion slave" -via a fucking simple google search of the word, lol

    I am assuming that you make a good salary, have no dependents, have a wealthy family, have been lucky enough not to have a disability effect your life or you live in a van and subsist off of self grown vegetables.

    Credit card debt is not a choice in the way that you are so loosely throwing around. If one does not have any disposable income and a child needs dental treatment, do I let my child suffer or do I put it on credit? If my car needs to be fixed, do I say no a
    I am definitely not rich, but do choose to live debt free.  Of course there are exceptions that put people in a position where they must borrow money, but you seem to completely gloss over the majority of people that just over indulge and overspend on things that they cannot actually afford.  How may people buy things like TVs and random non-necessities on credit?  How many take out the largest loan they can when buying cars or even houses that they can barely afford to make payments on?  I used to believe the credit card hype until I diligently made the effort to pay them off and cut them up.  Since then (and online banking has made it so much easier), I save up for stuff and have an emergency fund that I held off buying “fun stuff” to build so that I can pay out of pocket if my child ever needed a dental procedure or something.  It was hard work paying those things off, but now that I have, life is way less complicated financially.  My argument is against people living beyond their means in general.  I specifically contribute to a “vehicle fund” every month because I know I will eventually have car issues.  There is always the chance that a medical procedure could put me in debt, but if that happened, at least I wouldn’t be having to worry about paying off a big TV or car at the same time.  I think that the issue is that people in general live with a “gotta have it now” mentality and get into debt problems due to buying things on credit that aren’t necessary for survival.  I do make more now than I used to, but I was right at lower middle class wages when I payed off every bit of my debt.  It took missing out on some “fun” things like concerts here and there, but was totally worth it not to be giving my paycheck to credit card companies now.  Again, I know that there are life events that may put someone in debt, but even then priority should be in getting out of it, not racking up more to the point that your whole paycheck goes towards those payments.  There are tons of stories out there of people essentially in poverty due to low paying jobs that are still completely debt free.  I truly think that people that pay for things like  concert tickets with credit  cards are irresponsible and not considering some of the things that you mentioned, such as the probability of car trouble in the future.  

    Debt is dumb, cash is king, and the paid-off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice

    eh tu, @PJPower?
    Nice Dave Ramsey quote, and I agree. 
    In other words, don’t buy frivolous shit if you cannot
    afford it.  An $8000 used car payed for with cash will most likely get you around just as well as a $40,000 car with $600 monthly payments.
    If you can afford to save up for a $40,000 BMW, and that is truly what your heart desires, then go right ahead and buy it.  In the end you will be out the same amount of money (a little less if you saved for it due to lack of interest), but it should sting a bit when making a purchase like that.  You don’t get that “sting” when you swipe a credit card.  Personally, I would rather buy the $8000 car and put the $600 a month into investments, but everyone has their priorities I suppose.
    ha...yeah, I am a fan of Dave's. I don't agree with everything he says (like aiming to have a zero credit score, for example) but, overall, it should be everyone's goal to live debt free--or as close to it as possible. 
    Agreed, getting introduced to his philosophy has made our lives better in so many ways.  It is amazing what you can accomplish in the end by suffering a bit to get out of debt.  We are definitely more wary of spending hard earned cash on frivolous things and much more financially stable now.  We probably would have gone through two times as many cars now if we still thought loans were the only way.  Now we have a “car fund” that we direct deposit into every month for when we will need one in the future.  It is crazy to think that we have saved probably $60,000 now just by not doing “the American thing” and taking out loans for a “better” car just because we could “afford” to make the loan payments.
    These days we give so much more to charity and are able to do so much more (vacations, etc)  than we ever could while making credit card and car payments.
    If you are a Dave Ramsey fan, then I am a fan of you :)

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 32,332
    2019
    Nice. You sound like some the listeners he has on his show. You should go on there and do the debt free scream. haha
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,423
    Nice. You sound like some the listeners he has on his show. You should go on there and do the debt free scream. haha
    Ha, there are some way more hardcore than us, lol. I never went out and got a an extra pizza delivery job or literally lived off beans and rice for a while like some.  
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,035
    2017
    What's wrong with beans & rice? 

    Yummy
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