--THE FORMAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OF DONALD J TRUMP--

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,708
    2019
    njnancy said:
    I'm lazy.  Someone help me with this question.  Was it illegal for Donald Trump to be involved in or aware during his campaign of a building negotiation in Russia?   I'm just wondering what will be the item that causes Republicans to impeach.  That certainly won't.  Paying off some women won't.   I haven't heard anything yet that will make him be impeached.  Is it going to be perjury that does it?
    Mickeyrat posted a link that explains it pretty well but I think it’ll be perjury, obstruction of justice and conspiracy that will cause the senate to convict as it’ll be an election issue. Team Mueller has very intelligently listed the house and senate intelligence committees as what spurred Cohen’s recent plea deal. The integrity and honor of the senate will be on trial. Never mind the money laundering and tax evasion as a private citizen, candidate and potentially, President elect. There’s a reason we have a FICA. I believe Team Trump Treason violated it and have stated as such well before today.
    I think the breaking point will be when one (or multiple) members of his family are convicted or will be facing likely convictions and he pardons or attempts to pardon them. Clear obstruction there to even the most ardent of supporters. By that point ALL of the dirt will be out. Approval ratings will be even lower than they are now. The election will be right around the corner. The writing will be on the wall. It will be resignation instead of conviction after impeachment (which is happening, folks). Having the economy slow down a little earlier than anticipated will make it easier on the Republicans to urge him to step aside.

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    For the first time in this bizarre turn of events we call 'the last election',  I have a belief that he will not finish out his term.  I am a no for the P-tape viewing but I am a hell yes for reading the entire Mueller report. 

    That is funny. My brother said the same thing to me the other night. Gonna be a wild year coming up....
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,735
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,708
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    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    I'm all for it. That's actually what I am hoping for and think the odds for something like this are better than any other scenario of him not finishing his term. Cohen gave them 70 hours of testimony. Weiselberg is talking to them. Mueller has been digging around their business for a while now and that business has been corrupt for decades. And its essentially a.....family business. They're all fucked (well except Tiffany!).
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,571
    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
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  • Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    It depends on the seriousness and level of the crimes committed. I think either way, Team Trump Treason is not in office after January 20th, 2021.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,485
    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    I think they should all serve time if guilty. No deals.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,885
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    I’d take that deal.  As long as Trump is out disgracefully, that’s a positive.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,262
    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    Why not find evidence of the crimes that family has committed and toss them all in jail?  I'm sick of wealthy people getting away with crimes...
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,885
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    OnWis97 said:
    So Trump should be impeached because Roger Stone knew wikileaks would be releasing John Podesta's emails? That is the jist of that opinion piece, i sure hope there is more than that
    My take is simply that Fox is successfully discrediting it and that will continue. It’s a big part of why I’m not on the edge of my seat waiting on Mueller.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,262
    And if the evidence shows they were traitors...then the DP should be in play.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 28,490

    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    I don't see lying about building a tower as an offense that warrants time in prison but, assuming the evidence is beyond reasonable doubt, nor should puppetmaster be given the opportunity to resign.  Rather, it would seem to me to be more appropriate for him to be impeached and the whole lot of them banned from public service.  Let their shame be justice.
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  • People with actual experience in these kinds of things offering up fact based opinions. 

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,262
    brianlux said:

    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    I don't see lying about building a tower as an offense that warrants time in prison but, assuming the evidence is beyond reasonable doubt, nor should puppetmaster be given the opportunity to resign.  Rather, it would seem to me to be more appropriate for him to be impeached and the whole lot of them banned from public service.  Let their shame be justice.
    The Trumps are up to some shady shit, most likely illegal shit...their shame should be them sitting in jail.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 28,490
    brianlux said:

    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    I don't see lying about building a tower as an offense that warrants time in prison but, assuming the evidence is beyond reasonable doubt, nor should puppetmaster be given the opportunity to resign.  Rather, it would seem to me to be more appropriate for him to be impeached and the whole lot of them banned from public service.  Let their shame be justice.
    The Trumps are up to some shady shit, most likely illegal shit...their shame should be them sitting in jail.
    Perhaps, but they won't.

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,262
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:

    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    I don't see lying about building a tower as an offense that warrants time in prison but, assuming the evidence is beyond reasonable doubt, nor should puppetmaster be given the opportunity to resign.  Rather, it would seem to me to be more appropriate for him to be impeached and the whole lot of them banned from public service.  Let their shame be justice.
    The Trumps are up to some shady shit, most likely illegal shit...their shame should be them sitting in jail.
    Perhaps, but they won't.

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    You are probably right...
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    Incoming chair of the house judiciary committee.

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    What kind of accountability? The House can investigate but that's it. They have no power to prosecute. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,421
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    Incoming chair of the house judiciary committee.

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    What kind of accountability? The House can investigate but that's it. They have no power to prosecute. 
    They can expose the crimes committed and recommend and pressure the justice department to prosecute. They can withhold funding to the various law enforcement agencies responsible for holding those to account. All of which can be made into campaign issues.                                        
     
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,199
    OnWis97 said:
    I’d take that deal.  As long as Trump is out disgracefully, that’s a positive.
    Not sure a deal would be an option. He’d have to be impeached then kicked out before any legal consequences would be pursued. 
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,859
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    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    Why not find evidence of the crimes that family has committed and toss them all in jail?  I'm sick of wealthy people getting away with crimes...
    My guess is that Mueller's single focus if he deems that the POTUS is corrupt, is to remove the POTUS. His paths in prosecuting this far all have seemed to be to achieve that end. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war. 

    With 14 Republicans having voted to advance the conversation on Saudi Arabia in the Senate, I feel that was a symbol that the power dynamics have shifted. At least I hope the honeymoon is over - and I hope this means when the time comes for support, the Senate does what is demonstrated to them as being the right judgment call.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,885
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    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    Why not find evidence of the crimes that family has committed and toss them all in jail?  I'm sick of wealthy people getting away with crimes...
    My guess is that Mueller's single focus if he deems that the POTUS is corrupt, is to remove the POTUS. His paths in prosecuting this far all have seemed to be to achieve that end. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war. 
    My gut, which isn’t the best gut but a very good gut, feels that he is almost robotically by the book, which means that his role is to find the truth but (correct me if I am wrong) any doling of consequences is not his concern.
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  • OnWis97 said:
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    So how would everyone feel about it if the Mueller report showed evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the kids and some evidence about puppetmaster himself and then a plea deal was made to not prosecute the kids if he resigns?
    Why not find evidence of the crimes that family has committed and toss them all in jail?  I'm sick of wealthy people getting away with crimes...
    My guess is that Mueller's single focus if he deems that the POTUS is corrupt, is to remove the POTUS. His paths in prosecuting this far all have seemed to be to achieve that end. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war. 
    My gut, which isn’t the best gut but a very good gut, feels that he is almost robotically by the book, which means that his role is to find the truth but (correct me if I am wrong) any doling of consequences is not his concern.
    Correct. Team Mueller’s charge is to issue a fact finding report. It’ll be up to Congress and DOJ to mete out any consequences, if the report details crimes. Team Mueller will prosecute as he goes along, if the facts allow him to make a case before a grand jury and in court. Team Trump Treason is “protected” as POTUS, to some degree. Just a Matter of time.
     
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  • Seems that there may very well be a quid pro quo of sanctions relief in exchange for Team Trump Treason Tower Moscow. June 14, 2016 Sater and Cohen met in Team Trump Tower and Cohen told Sater he wasn't going to Moscow because the Washington Post reported that Russia had hacked DNC and Hillary's emails. VTB was committed to financing Team Trump Tower Moscow project but was under US sanctions. Team Trump Treason was advocating lifting sanctions in 2015 and Mike Flynn lied about it to the FBI.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,708
    2019
    Seems that there may very well be a quid pro quo of sanctions relief in exchange for Team Trump Treason Tower Moscow. June 14, 2016 Sater and Cohen met in Team Trump Tower and Cohen told Sater he wasn't going to Moscow because the Washington Post reported that Russia had hacked DNC and Hillary's emails. VTB was committed to financing Team Trump Tower Moscow project but was under US sanctions. Team Trump Treason was advocating lifting sanctions in 2015 and Mike Flynn lied about it to the FBI.

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    "Very cool and very legal"
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  • Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,708
    edited December 2018
    2019
    Looks like Bobby will be adding some more witness tampering to his obstruction case with today's tweets.

    The president is an ignoramus of this highest magnitude. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,421
    edited December 2018
    Looks like Bobby will be adding some more witness tampering to his obstruction case with today's tweets.

    The president is an ignoramus of this highest magnitude. 
    It’s a good gut. The most beautiful gut.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069619316319035392
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,199
    Karma coming at Don from all sides. Make sure the batteries for the defibrillator are at full charge. 

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The attorneys general of the District of Columbia and Maryland said Monday that they are moving forward with subpoenas for records in their case accusing President Donald Trump of profiting off the presidency.

    U.S. District Court Judge Peter J. Messitte approved the legal discovery schedule in an order Monday. Such information would likely provide the first clear picture of the finances of Trump’s Washington, D.C., hotel.

    https://apnews.com/96a295d90acf449dbf41f6fee4c28d63




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,759
    2018
    Karma coming at Don from all sides. Make sure the batteries for the defibrillator are at full charge. 

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The attorneys general of the District of Columbia and Maryland said Monday that they are moving forward with subpoenas for records in their case accusing President Donald Trump of profiting off the presidency.

    U.S. District Court Judge Peter J. Messitte approved the legal discovery schedule in an order Monday. Such information would likely provide the first clear picture of the finances of Trump’s Washington, D.C., hotel.

    https://apnews.com/96a295d90acf449dbf41f6fee4c28d63




    THAT is what I think will bring down Trump, of all the things.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,708
    2019
    There are many roads that will lead to impeachment....
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