I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
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Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
It's ironic that you accurately point out that the subpoena is not criminally binding and then bring in teh standard of proof applicable only during criminal trials. Pick an angle and go with it, otherwise you look like the person you just accused of parroting.
Now what is absolutely true is that balance of power, and checks and balances in our gov't are reliant on congressional oversight on the executive branch. It's fundamental to the Constitution and was adjudicated clearly in US v Nixon. So while the exec branch isn't behaving criminally by not honoring subpoenas, it's 100% impeachable.
I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
Because, “only the guilty plea the 5th.” Three guesses as to who you can attribute that quote to. I guess congressional oversight of the executive branch is no longer valid and can be dismissed? Can’t wait for the “outrage” and whining when a dem lead executive branch dismisses Congress. Oh wait, been there, done that.
I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
You are amazed that we believe everything the democrats say without question then you end your post with a dumb republican talking point. This isn't about process.
I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
Screwed up quote , if he’s so innocent like the Brazilian seems to want to believe why has he blocked his immediate staff from testifying on his behalf to prove him innocent?
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I look forward to having a president who works for us again, thinks about us. I remember those days very fondly.
These fucking jip joint reporters and hacks think they can out maneuver Nancy all the time. She beats them all like a drum. She's one of the best speakers in history, a total powerhouse.
These fucking jip joint reporters and hacks think they can out maneuver Nancy all the time. She beats them all like a drum. She's one of the best speakers in history, a total powerhouse.
Baffoon will hate to have this * next to his name in the political history books! Even if he doesn’t get removed by Senate GOP who have decided that the constitution is just a peice of paper & the Baffoon is above the law ..
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I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
but he's not attending to any business. the only "work" he does is his rallies to his gullible/racist supporters.
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I heard him ask China to interfere in our election with my own ears. I don't need any Democrat to tell me what he did. I heard it.
The rest of the story has been filled in by the testimony. There was no testimony by soul-eater's inner circle to say why he's not guilty...because he is and they likely are to differing degrees. That's what soul-eater does. He makes sure those closest are complicit so they won't testify because they'd be testifying against themselves. There are supposed to be witnesses in the Senate trial but I bet it won't be the soul-eater's men.
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I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
but he's not attending to any business. the only "work" he does is his rallies to his gullible/racist supporters.
to be fair, watching fox "news" most of the day and tweeting all day into the night is more than a fulltime job.......
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i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
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i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
Why do you think that 2/3 of the Senate would slam dunk 1 or 15 articles?
i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
I think if they came out with more, it would look like they were just throwing shit at the wall and hoping some of it stuck. keep it to the articles you know he's guilty of. you don't want to give credence to the witch hunt narrative.
I don't think rudy can lawyer him out a paper bag.
i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
I don't see how more articles would make any difference. The republican senate is gonna be it's shitty self regardless of how many articles there are. I want the republican senators in swing states on the record. That is what will probably really matter at the end of the day.
Now the case could be made that the democrats should wait for subpoenas to make their way through the courts for a stronger case, but the republicans have used the weakness in the american system to their benefit to drag this shit out. So I can understand why they aren't doing that.
i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
Why do you think that 2/3 of the Senate would slam dunk 1 or 15 articles?
to acquit on 2 charges is nothing. happens all the time. you throw 5 or 6 articles, knowing he is guilty as hell of 2 of them, to acquit of all 5 or 6 would reek of corruption of the process. it will be a constitutional crisis that will have to be addressed.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
Why do you think that 2/3 of the Senate would slam dunk 1 or 15 articles?
to acquit on 2 charges is nothing. happens all the time. you throw 5 or 6 articles, knowing he is guilty as hell of 2 of them, to acquit of all 5 or 6 would reek of corruption of the process. it will be a constitutional crisis that will have to be addressed.
i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
Why do you think that 2/3 of the Senate would slam dunk 1 or 15 articles?
to acquit on 2 charges is nothing. happens all the time. you throw 5 or 6 articles, knowing he is guilty as hell of 2 of them, to acquit of all 5 or 6 would reek of corruption of the process. it will be a constitutional crisis that will have to be addressed.
You're using criminal logic, not political logic.
are the two articles not crimes? if not, then what the hell are the dems doing?
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
Why do you think that 2/3 of the Senate would slam dunk 1 or 15 articles?
to acquit on 2 charges is nothing. happens all the time. you throw 5 or 6 articles, knowing he is guilty as hell of 2 of them, to acquit of all 5 or 6 would reek of corruption of the process. it will be a constitutional crisis that will have to be addressed.
You're using criminal logic, not political logic.
are the two articles not crimes? if not, then what the hell are the dems doing?
engaging in their mandated constitutional political process......
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When a president tries to cheat in an American election, it's against the Constitution and the Constitution provides for impeachment to stop him/her. There's no ambiguity about that. Souleater likes to cheat at all sorts of things. Maybe some day we'll see his tax returns...numbers don't lie.
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So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
Now what is absolutely true is that balance of power, and checks and balances in our gov't are reliant on congressional oversight on the executive branch. It's fundamental to the Constitution and was adjudicated clearly in US v Nixon. So while the exec branch isn't behaving criminally by not honoring subpoenas, it's 100% impeachable.
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i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't think rudy can lawyer him out a paper bag.
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Now the case could be made that the democrats should wait for subpoenas to make their way through the courts for a stronger case, but the republicans have used the weakness in the american system to their benefit to drag this shit out. So I can understand why they aren't doing that.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.
Should have been 2017... what a dumpster fire.
congrats!!
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