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Of course, as they appeal all the way to the Supreme Court. Then we find out whether the US has officially become a banana republic or if Team Trump Treason calls for the impeachment of Roberts and Kavanaugh.
But you have to ask, what are they hiding, right? Seriously, if everything is “perfect” or legitimate or “buy the book,” what is the irreparable harm? 600 shell companies ain’t “legitimate” nor “perfect” or “buy the book.”
But you have to ask, what are they hiding, right? Seriously, if everything is “perfect” or legitimate or “buy the book,” what is the irreparable harm? 600 shell companies ain’t “legitimate” nor “perfect” or “buy the book.”
600 money hemorrhaging shell companies and a bunch of money vortexing golf courses (that he paid cash for, with Michael Cohen's help)
so if the WH doesn't comply with the house subpoenas, then it goes to the justice department to enforce. and we all know who runs that show. what a fucking joke this system is.
Yeah, so much for all those glorious checks and balances that everyone thought would protect the country. They were always mentioned as though anyone thinking they wouldn't work out was being completely hysterical. (meanwhile, environmental protections continue to be absolutely decimated - no real checks and balances for the environment unfortunately. It's amazing to me how easy it is for a POTUS to walk them back by decades).
Not everyone.
I've never bought into it. And I mean, since learning about it in elementary school US government classes. I memorized the system enough to pass quizzes and whatnot, but it still never made any sense. The way I've always viewed it: Federal rules and doctrines were basically drafted to perpetuate a false narrative about the balance of power among not only the branches of US government but also between US citizens and their federal government. Mr. Guinan always grew weary when my hand shot up to question things like this, and eventually, he just ignored me. I mean, I understand why. He didn't have the answers. Dude was a teacher in Florida, No. 49 in education at the time, and had to deliver pizzas to supplement his salary.
Anyway, having said that, nothing about my country's doctrines (or most countries' doctrines that I've perused, for that matter) has ever made any sense to me.
You're right, not everyone. That was hyperbole. I didn't believe in them either, and some others here didn't, and obviously elsewhere. It was just a HUGE talking point in reaction to the extreme concern some of us were expressing when Trump was running, and then won, and then started getting worse and worse. SO many kept referring to these checks and balances in an attempt to diminish the deep concerns and fears that were being expressed. I guess that is one thing that is good with all this...... All of those who trusted in checks and balances will surely have learned a valuable lesson. Maybe even law makers will react to this lesson, and try to build some checks and balances that will actually work next time America elects an insane despotic moron.
If they fail to abide by the subpoena then we’ll chalk that up as obstruction of justice when the articles are drafted.
Yeah, but unless Senate decides otherwise, that doesn't really even matter.
An impeachment matters either way.
And what matters most to republican senators is....public sentiment
No, I agree impeachment matters either way. What I meant is that it doesn't really even matter in terms of stopping Trump from doing all this crap, or from more obstruction of justice, etc.
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New Wapo poll shows a whopping 58% support the impeachment inquiry. 49% support removal from office.
The tide is turning, rapidly, folks. Refusing to let the cya ambassador testify today will only help matters.
What happens when these idiots refuse to comply to testify?
Nothing. Apparently.
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New Wapo poll shows a whopping 58% support the impeachment inquiry. 49% support removal from office.
The tide is turning, rapidly, folks. Refusing to let the cya ambassador testify today will only help matters.
#2019
Nobody but nobody saw this coming. Just a matter of time before the whole criminal enterprise comes crashing down. And it will, like everything else team Trump treason has attempted. The best thing? The criminal investigations that will continue for a decade or more. Suckers.
What happens when these idiots refuse to comply to testify?
Subpoena. Fail to comply---BOOM. Obstruction of Justice. Article of Impeachment.
White House is backed into a corner.
Only if the House decides to actually enforce subpoenas...with the backing of no Federal Trump agency. Checks and balances might already be a thing of the past.
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COLUMBUS – Ohio Sen. Rob Portman said Monday it's wrong for President Donald Trump to ask Ukraine or China or another foreign entity to investigate Democratic rival and former vice president Joe Biden.
But Portman, a Republican from Terrace Park near Cincinnati, said he doesn't see it as "an impeachable offense" and said Democrats are rushing to impeachment.
"It's not appropriate for a president to engage a foreign government with an investigation with a political opponent," Portman told reporters Monday outside the annual Ohio Defense Forum.
House Democrats have called for an impeachment inquiry against Trump following a July phone call in which Trump urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Biden's involvement in the firing of Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin. Shokin had investigated Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma between 2010 and 2012. Biden's son Hunter became a board member of the company in 2014.
The call prompted a whistleblower complaint alleging Trump asked a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 presidential election. Democrats had already launched an investigation into whether Trump's decision to withhold $250 million in military assistance was tied to efforts for a Ukrainian investigation of Biden's actions.
Trump has claimed that Biden, as vice president, forced out Shokin to protect his son.
"The prosecutor's office was not ferreting out corruption and part of it was they needed to reform their office and how they operated," Portman said.
Portman told reporters Monday that he found out Trump was seeking an investigation into the Bidens from published media reports.
Portman said he talked to Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and officials at the U.S. Department of State but didn't receive an answer for why military aid was on hold until a Sept. 11 phone call with Trump. On the call, Trump stressed a lack of burden-sharing by European allies was a reason to withhold funds.
Two days before, House Democrats announced an investigation into Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine to push an investigation into Biden and the delay in distributing aid to the country.
On Sept. 12, the Trump administration lifted the hold. Trump said last week he released the aid "because Rob Portman and others called me and asked."
Portman reiterated his position against impeachment. He said a clear quid pro quo, as promised by House Democrats, wasn't borne out by the summary of the Trump-Zelensky phone call and whistleblower complaint.
"They moved a little too quickly and I think impeachment has to be taken really seriously because it overturns the results of a democratically-held election," said Portman, who voted to impeach then-President Clinton.
Portman said the incident should be investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee and others. Meanwhile, he said, an impeachment inquiry will make it harder to pass legislation such as the six bipartisan bills he's been working on.
"It’s sad to me as hard as it is to get things done in Washington, now it’s going to be even harder," Portman said. "And as divided as our country already is, we are going to be even more polarized."
Majority of GOP to Trump: "MAGA." Minority of GOP to Trump: "Shame Shame. MAGA."
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COLUMBUS – Ohio Sen. Rob Portman said Monday it's wrong for President Donald Trump to ask Ukraine or China or another foreign entity to investigate Democratic rival and former vice president Joe Biden.
But Portman, a Republican from Terrace Park near Cincinnati, said he doesn't see it as "an impeachable offense" and said Democrats are rushing to impeachment.
"It's not appropriate for a president to engage a foreign government with an investigation with a political opponent," Portman told reporters Monday outside the annual Ohio Defense Forum.
House Democrats have called for an impeachment inquiry against Trump following a July phone call in which Trump urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Biden's involvement in the firing of Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin. Shokin had investigated Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma between 2010 and 2012. Biden's son Hunter became a board member of the company in 2014.
The call prompted a whistleblower complaint alleging Trump asked a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 presidential election. Democrats had already launched an investigation into whether Trump's decision to withhold $250 million in military assistance was tied to efforts for a Ukrainian investigation of Biden's actions.
Trump has claimed that Biden, as vice president, forced out Shokin to protect his son.
"The prosecutor's office was not ferreting out corruption and part of it was they needed to reform their office and how they operated," Portman said.
Portman told reporters Monday that he found out Trump was seeking an investigation into the Bidens from published media reports.
Portman said he talked to Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and officials at the U.S. Department of State but didn't receive an answer for why military aid was on hold until a Sept. 11 phone call with Trump. On the call, Trump stressed a lack of burden-sharing by European allies was a reason to withhold funds.
Two days before, House Democrats announced an investigation into Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine to push an investigation into Biden and the delay in distributing aid to the country.
On Sept. 12, the Trump administration lifted the hold. Trump said last week he released the aid "because Rob Portman and others called me and asked."
Portman reiterated his position against impeachment. He said a clear quid pro quo, as promised by House Democrats, wasn't borne out by the summary of the Trump-Zelensky phone call and whistleblower complaint.
"They moved a little too quickly and I think impeachment has to be taken really seriously because it overturns the results of a democratically-held election," said Portman, who voted to impeach then-President Clinton.
Portman said the incident should be investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee and others. Meanwhile, he said, an impeachment inquiry will make it harder to pass legislation such as the six bipartisan bills he's been working on.
"It’s sad to me as hard as it is to get things done in Washington, now it’s going to be even harder," Portman said. "And as divided as our country already is, we are going to be even more polarized."
no sir. impeachment doesnt overturn an election. impeachment is the process that removes a president from that office when their actions and behavior show them to be unfit.
but wouldnt expect any different from a religious gop assbag who would have denied his own son from entering into legal marriage.
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Overturn the election? He's literally incompetent, and he has no supervision.
It's like saying you got hired you to cook burgers and all you do is yell at the customers. I heard you said that's what you like to do in the interview, yell at customers, but this shit aint workin' out bro. Just because I wasn't involved in choosing you for the position, doesn't mean I cant run you the eff out because you still suck at being the Prez. You're not entitled to keep a JOB. There's the door.
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I've seen this mentioned in a lot of places. Don't think it's been mainstream media yet. But that is the type of talk that bugs me. Focus on the investigation. We have proof and will have more re:Donald Trump. If Pence come into it it only muddies the waters.
I've seen this mentioned in a lot of places. Don't think it's been mainstream media yet. But that is the type of talk that bugs me. Focus on the investigation. We have proof and will have more re:Donald Trump. If Pence come into it it only muddies the waters.
it's just more "we need to bring down the entire trump admin" and it will literally never happen. ivanka won't be indicted, jared won't be indicted, nor will eric or don jr, or kellyanne or sarah sanders, kavanaugh won't be impeached, etc. it's all just hopes and dreams.
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I've seen this mentioned in a lot of places. Don't think it's been mainstream media yet. But that is the type of talk that bugs me. Focus on the investigation. We have proof and will have more re:Donald Trump. If Pence come into it it only muddies the waters.
it's just more "we need to bring down the entire trump admin" and it will literally never happen. ivanka won't be indicted, jared won't be indicted, nor will eric or don jr, or kellyanne or sarah sanders, kavanaugh won't be impeached, etc. it's all just hopes and dreams.
Again, these things probably will not happen, but the odds are probably higher than you think.
A month ago most people thought he wouldn’t be impeached. Life comes at you fast.
Is anyone keeping track of the number of subpoenas ignored and witnesses not allowed to testify before Congress by the Team Trump Treason Administration? Because when everything is as Team Trump Treason says,
There was no collusion.”
“I have nothing to hide.”
“I don’t know any Russians.”
“I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
“We do everything by the book.”
“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
“Very legal, very cool.”
“Fully exonerated.”
“Essentially no obstruction.”
“Very friendly and totally appropriate.”
You don’t need to explain your actions.
Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.
I've seen this mentioned in a lot of places. Don't think it's been mainstream media yet. But that is the type of talk that bugs me. Focus on the investigation. We have proof and will have more re:Donald Trump. If Pence come into it it only muddies the waters.
it's just more "we need to bring down the entire trump admin" and it will literally never happen. ivanka won't be indicted, jared won't be indicted, nor will eric or don jr, or kellyanne or sarah sanders, kavanaugh won't be impeached, etc. it's all just hopes and dreams.
Again, these things probably will not happen, but the odds are probably higher than you think.
A month ago most people thought he wouldn’t be impeached. Life comes at you fast.
and he still hasn't been impeached. it was the same with mueller. he was going to bring everyone down. he didn't. now this. maybe he'll be impeached. maybe he won't. but he won't be convicted. nor will any of his kids.
I've seen this mentioned in a lot of places. Don't think it's been mainstream media yet. But that is the type of talk that bugs me. Focus on the investigation. We have proof and will have more re:Donald Trump. If Pence come into it it only muddies the waters.
it's just more "we need to bring down the entire trump admin" and it will literally never happen. ivanka won't be indicted, jared won't be indicted, nor will eric or don jr, or kellyanne or sarah sanders, kavanaugh won't be impeached, etc. it's all just hopes and dreams.
Again, these things probably will not happen, but the odds are probably higher than you think.
A month ago most people thought he wouldn’t be impeached. Life comes at you fast.
and he still hasn't been impeached. it was the same with mueller. he was going to bring everyone down. he didn't. now this. maybe he'll be impeached. maybe he won't. but he won't be convicted. nor will any of his kids.
I've seen this mentioned in a lot of places. Don't think it's been mainstream media yet. But that is the type of talk that bugs me. Focus on the investigation. We have proof and will have more re:Donald Trump. If Pence come into it it only muddies the waters.
it's just more "we need to bring down the entire trump admin" and it will literally never happen. ivanka won't be indicted, jared won't be indicted, nor will eric or don jr, or kellyanne or sarah sanders, kavanaugh won't be impeached, etc. it's all just hopes and dreams.
Again, these things probably will not happen, but the odds are probably higher than you think.
A month ago most people thought he wouldn’t be impeached. Life comes at you fast.
and he still hasn't been impeached. it was the same with mueller. he was going to bring everyone down. he didn't. now this. maybe he'll be impeached. maybe he won't. but he won't be convicted. nor will any of his kids.
He’ll be impeached and may very well be convicted in the senate. Won’t be re-elected and will face state felony charges after a dem AG is appointed. “We” don’t know 10% of his transgressions. “Visibly shaken.”
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The tide is turning, rapidly, folks. Refusing to let the cya ambassador testify today will only help matters.
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White House is backed into a corner.
Can we wrap this up already?
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GOP senator: Trump wrong to ask Ukraine to investigate Biden but it's not 'an impeachable offense'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rob-portman-trump-wrong-ask-203723913.html
COLUMBUS – Ohio Sen. Rob Portman said Monday it's wrong for President Donald Trump to ask Ukraine or China or another foreign entity to investigate Democratic rival and former vice president Joe Biden.
But Portman, a Republican from Terrace Park near Cincinnati, said he doesn't see it as "an impeachable offense" and said Democrats are rushing to impeachment.
"It's not appropriate for a president to engage a foreign government with an investigation with a political opponent," Portman told reporters Monday outside the annual Ohio Defense Forum.
House Democrats have called for an impeachment inquiry against Trump following a July phone call in which Trump urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Biden's involvement in the firing of Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin. Shokin had investigated Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma between 2010 and 2012. Biden's son Hunter became a board member of the company in 2014.
The call prompted a whistleblower complaint alleging Trump asked a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 presidential election. Democrats had already launched an investigation into whether Trump's decision to withhold $250 million in military assistance was tied to efforts for a Ukrainian investigation of Biden's actions.
Trump has claimed that Biden, as vice president, forced out Shokin to protect his son.
But Portman, a co-chair of the bipartisan Senate Ukraine Caucus, said Monday that Shokin's office wasn't doing enough to fight corruption. Portman and other senators sent a letter in February 2016 to then-Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, urging him to tackle corruption.
"The prosecutor's office was not ferreting out corruption and part of it was they needed to reform their office and how they operated," Portman said.
Portman told reporters Monday that he found out Trump was seeking an investigation into the Bidens from published media reports.
Portman said he talked to Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and officials at the U.S. Department of State but didn't receive an answer for why military aid was on hold until a Sept. 11 phone call with Trump. On the call, Trump stressed a lack of burden-sharing by European allies was a reason to withhold funds.
Two days before, House Democrats announced an investigation into Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine to push an investigation into Biden and the delay in distributing aid to the country.
On Sept. 12, the Trump administration lifted the hold. Trump said last week he released the aid "because Rob Portman and others called me and asked."
Portman reiterated his position against impeachment. He said a clear quid pro quo, as promised by House Democrats, wasn't borne out by the summary of the Trump-Zelensky phone call and whistleblower complaint.
"They moved a little too quickly and I think impeachment has to be taken really seriously because it overturns the results of a democratically-held election," said Portman, who voted to impeach then-President Clinton.
Portman said the incident should be investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee and others. Meanwhile, he said, an impeachment inquiry will make it harder to pass legislation such as the six bipartisan bills he's been working on.
"It’s sad to me as hard as it is to get things done in Washington, now it’s going to be even harder," Portman said. "And as divided as our country already is, we are going to be even more polarized."
Minority of GOP to Trump: "Shame Shame. MAGA."
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Like from the jump. I'm sure they kept track...
AND the Fucking Mueller Report. Enough already.
It's like saying you got hired you to cook burgers and all you do is yell at the customers. I heard you said that's what you like to do in the interview, yell at customers, but this shit aint workin' out bro. Just because I wasn't involved in choosing you for the position, doesn't mean I cant run you the eff out because you still suck at being the Prez. You're not entitled to keep a JOB. There's the door.
Side note? The real problem isn't the Federales. It's the LOCALS.
Cheers,
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President Pelosi.
Cheers,
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Cheers,
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