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merkinball: more vitalogy or more no code?

mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
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Two of pearl jam's best songs were released 21 years ago today pretty much smack tab in the middle of two albums. In your opinion, would "I got id" and "Long Road" fit better on vitalogy or no code? Or maybe something else perhaps?
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    on2legson2legs Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,427
    Great question. I lean more towards Vitalogy. No Code seemed to be a distinctive change of direction.
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    No Code - no doubt
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    Neil wrote most if not all of Mirrorball so I say neither.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Neil wrote most if not all of Mirrorball so I say neither.

    Yeah but ed wrote the words/music to long road and I got id and wasn't really involved with mirrorball.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    mcgruff10 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Neil wrote most if not all of Mirrorball so I say neither.

    Yeah but ed wrote the words/music to long road and I got id and wasn't really involved with mirrorball.
    Ah shit, ok I get it! Long Road seems more like it belongs on No Code, and Id does as well.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Neil wrote most if not all of Mirrorball so I say neither.

    Yeah but ed wrote the words/music to long road and I got id and wasn't really involved with mirrorball.
    Ah shit, ok I get it! Long Road seems more like it belongs on No Code, and Id does as well.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    I m also leaning I got id toward no code but long road to vitalogy.
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    Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    mcgruff10 said:

    I m also leaning I got id toward no code but long road to vitalogy.

    I'm on board with this
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    I'd say No Code
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    JB23237JB23237 Posts: 1,373
    I'd vote no code
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    Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,751
    No Code
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    This is an impossible question and it's giving me a headache to answer!
    Damn you OP!
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    This is an impossible question and it's giving me a headache to answer!
    Damn you OP!

    Lol. But what s your answer?!
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    im an earim an ear San Diego, CA Posts: 245
    No Code since Jack Irons plays drums on both.
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    JbarkerJbarker Alberta Posts: 557
    Could be a split down the middle...
    Long road with it's simple chord structure and mellow build up and basic emotions could be on Vitalogy.
    Id with its unique sound and complex grief fits more with No Code's theme.
    But I can't think straight. I'm in Canada and its starting to get cold!!!
    What I'd like to know is if "I Got Id" is considered a cover song when PJ plays it?
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    ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,755
    ...why would it be a cover? Ed wrote the music and lyrics to both.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    Jbarker said:

    Could be a split down the middle...
    Long road with it's simple chord structure and mellow build up and basic emotions could be on Vitalogy.
    Id with its unique sound and complex grief fits more with No Code's theme.
    But I can't think straight. I'm in Canada and its starting to get cold!!!
    What I'd like to know is if "I Got Id" is considered a cover song when PJ plays it?

    Why would I got id be considered a cover? ed wrote the lyrics/music.
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    JbarkerJbarker Alberta Posts: 557
    just since the impression I got was that as a companion piece to mirror ball and Neil and his peeps playing the studio version the formality felt like it was, I don't know, not a direct descendant. more just curious.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,242
    I think both are firmly in the Vitalogy camp for me. The guitars and Ed's voice still lean more toward the work on that album. I feel like I Got ID is a companion piece to Immortality and Long Road fits well with Nothingman and Betterman.

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    JbarkerJbarker Alberta Posts: 557
    but I digest... it does say Pearl Jam clear as day on the front cover.
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    cdlongroadcdlongroad Posts: 30
    Just want to say that I love threads like this. All about the music, discussing the minutiae. I'd vote No Code, but it definitely was smack dab in the middle of what I would say is one of the most productive periods of creating great music by anyone in rock history (Ed, mid-90s).
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    Kev - Coat and KeysKev - Coat and Keys Earth Posts: 357
    I was in a Fuzzy Logic lecture once upon a time - it might have made more sense if they used Pearl Jam tunes in the examples.
    I say Merkinball fits closer to No Code and I Got Id is possibly my favourite Pearl Jam song.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I was in a Fuzzy Logic lecture once upon a time - it might have made more sense if they used Pearl Jam tunes in the examples.
    I say Merkinball fits closer to No Code and I Got Id is possibly my favourite Pearl Jam song.

    I got id is a song that needs to be played more often...maybe even every other show. To me it's one of pj's best songs.
    On the flip side we have long road which is my all time favorite pj song. Unfortunately I haven't seen this one live since 2011.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    mcgruff10 said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I was in a Fuzzy Logic lecture once upon a time - it might have made more sense if they used Pearl Jam tunes in the examples.
    I say Merkinball fits closer to No Code and I Got Id is possibly my favourite Pearl Jam song.

    I got id is a song that needs to be played more often...maybe even every other show. To me it's one of pj's best songs.
    On the flip side we have long road which is my all time favorite pj song. Unfortunately I haven't seen this one live since 2011.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I was in a Fuzzy Logic lecture once upon a time - it might have made more sense if they used Pearl Jam tunes in the examples.
    I say Merkinball fits closer to No Code and I Got Id is possibly my favourite Pearl Jam song.

    I got id is a song that needs to be played more often...maybe even every other show. To me it's one of pj's best songs.
    On the flip side we have long road which is my all time favorite pj song. Unfortunately I haven't seen this one live since 2011.
    I wanna live with my Cinnamon Girl...
    Didn't ed say that "I got id" was inspired/borrowed from cinnamon girl?
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mcgruff10 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Neil wrote most if not all of Mirrorball so I say neither.

    Yeah but ed wrote the words/music to long road and I got id and wasn't really involved with mirrorball.
    both songs were recorded during the Mirrorball sessions with Neil Young on organ for Long Road and guitar for I Got Id... that's why the studio version of I Got Id is so damn amazing, you can hear that distinctive Neil guitar just burning all over the track

    legend has it Neil told Eddie he was up to write a song for the sessions... Ed responded by saying "I got shit"... Neil said "great, that's the name of the track"... or something along those lines :)
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    Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,060
    Don't know why but I've always associated these tracks with No Code (maybe Jack?). Neither have a Vitalogy feel at all to them. Also two of my favorites. I Got Shit is simply one of the best!

    ^^and yes mytwohands that is the correct story. Ed tells the story on a bootleg (can't remember which one)
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    lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,190
    both are straight Mirrorball outtakes. but if you had to put them in PJ context.... they sound more like the NoCode b-side Dead Man.... so I guess I would say NoCode. def not Vitalogy. no relation.

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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    mcgruff10 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I was in a Fuzzy Logic lecture once upon a time - it might have made more sense if they used Pearl Jam tunes in the examples.
    I say Merkinball fits closer to No Code and I Got Id is possibly my favourite Pearl Jam song.

    I got id is a song that needs to be played more often...maybe even every other show. To me it's one of pj's best songs.
    On the flip side we have long road which is my all time favorite pj song. Unfortunately I haven't seen this one live since 2011.
    I wanna live with my Cinnamon Girl...
    Didn't ed say that "I got id" was inspired/borrowed from cinnamon girl?
    he mentioned in Winnipeg 2011 that he didn't realize until just a little while back that it's a total ripoff, and he was glad Neil didn't mind! And then they tagged I Got Shit with Cinnamon Girl. It was gorgeous.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    I would say No Code for sure. Vitalogy is angry AF. No Code is more introspective, which I feel these two songs to be, both lyrically and melodically.
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