SCALPERS! ALREADY! How can this happen!

Free

Sorry to bring politics into this conversation, but it is corporate takeover that has caused this loophole with concert tickets. If you want corporations out of the full control of the way we live our lives in the states, do NOT vote for Hillary, do NOT vote for any republican. Only Bernie Sanders is willing to fight the corporations to get our country back!!

patkelly12

Free said:

Sorry to bring politics into this conversation, but it is corporate takeover that has caused this loophole with concert tickets. If you want corporations out of the full control of the way we live our lives in the states, do NOT vote for Hillary, do NOT vote for any republican. Only Bernie Sanders is willing to fight the corporations to get our country back!!

shocked this took 3 pages. you guys are slipping.

JC29856

there are tons of contributing factors to current ticket prices, the main i think is the general economy. the system in place allows your average joe to easily make a quick buck by buying and selling tickets seamlessly on the internet.

Free

JC29856 said:

there are tons of contributing factors to current ticket prices, the main i think is the general economy. the system in place allows your average joe to easily make a quick buck by buying and selling tickets seamlessly on the internet.

The fact that there is now only one corp that operates all major tickets sold? (not counting secondary sources) A big problem indeed.

CosmoCramer

If there is money to be made off of something, then a loophole will be found and exploited.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

goldenegg said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

The same way people speculatively sell stocks

That's not what's happening.

These are specific seats available for purchase, throughout the entire venue. StubHub gets tickets in advance and sells them at ridiculous prices. This happens for every show.

that was Toronto only, and those were purchased by Toronto Maple Leaf season ticket holders.

JC29856

Free said:

JC29856 said:

there are tons of contributing factors to current ticket prices, the main i think is the general economy. the system in place allows your average joe to easily make a quick buck by buying and selling tickets seamlessly on the internet.

The fact that there is now only one corp that operates all major tickets sold? (not counting secondary sources) A big problem indeed.

Yes the "system" in place.

pjalive21

You know how you stop dirty bag scalpers??? don't buy the tickets, especially at $717/ticket...no band...I mean NO BAND is worth that much...I love Pearl Jam but will never spend that kind of money

im all for reasonable scalping to be honest but not for 7 times the market value, but the problem is people buy it and allow it and you can't blame the band one iota

the more empty seats bands start seeing in arenas they may do something about it, BUT if they are getting their money why would they...just a thought

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

I really just don't get the anger. They are a commodity being sold in large part by people that don't share the same passion for the actual event as many of those that want to go do. They are just like stocks, except ones that grant access to events and have a definitive expiration date.

If anything, organized, legalized 100% guaranteed secondary marketplaces have helped eliminate people buying fakes and getting really, REALLY screwed out of money.

I don't do it for PJ shows, but I'll admit right now that I have absolutely made money playing the StubHub market for many events over the years. It's easy, and it's gotten me into a ton of events for free.

kudos to you for admitting it, but at the same time........BRUTAL.

Why? Why is selling tickets at market rate a scarlet letter I should run from?

I would say that 75% of my sales are for New York Mets tickets, which I have season tickets for. I have 4 tickets, for 81 games. That's 324 tickets I need to use or sell in a 6 month span.

Not only does the team promote selling your extra's via StubHub, my Mets online account actually links directly to it for Christs sakes.

Last season because the team never thought in a million years they would go as far as they did allowed season ticket holders to load up on playoff tickets. I would up having my seats, plus 4 more full strips, plus a bunch of individual tickets for single games. I sold a bunch for face to friends and to my Mets online community, and made a freaking killing selling the rest which afforded me the ability to enjoy the whole run and make money the further they went. I'm not sure why I need to hide or feel ashamed about any of that. A buyer paid the price they wanted to pay for a commodity for something I \wanted to sell. What exactly am I ashamed of doing here?

by selling those tickets for the "market price", you are eliminating a large group of people that could otherwise afford to go to it. the winnipeg jets organization, for example, actually take away your season tickets if they catch you selling for more than face. you are allowed to sell, but only through their ticket exchange program. as a season ticket holder, let's say per game you are paying $80, but if you were to buy that ticket as a single, it would be $120. they allow you to take that price, since that is the price the person would be paying at a walk up anyway. I think there might be a small admin fee that goes to the Jets, but it's nominal.

when the jets first arrived, people were trying to sell their tickets for astronomical amounts to make back the money they had to spend on their season tickets. many got their seaons taken away from them.

I don't care if the Mets tell you it's ok. I personally don't think it is. you are profitting off of it. plain and simple.

I lay out like $5k a year for hundreds of tickets I have no clue are gonna be worthless if the team sucks. It's a huge risk buying season tickets. Selling the games you can for over face is how you recoup a lot of the expense. Everyone only looks at it through the eyes of the person who can't get in to the big game for the price they want to pay. No one ever looks at it through the eyes of the guy that bought Wednesday night games 4 months in advance they have no idea if they can go to or will matter at all. Allowing those people to be able to sell the high demand tickets at a premium is how they can mitigate the risk. Again, I have no idea idea why I need to apologize for that.

Saltzy, you would be a moron to do anything differently. You have Mets seasons. They somehow make the post-season for the first time in years, tickets are hot. And stubhub isn't all bad. Hasn't anyone bought a ticket for under face value? Stubhub has tons of tickets for way less than face value for all kinds of events. You live in Jersey and want to check out Muse tonight?

http://www.stubhub.com/muse-tickets-muse-newark-prudential-center-1-29-2016/event/9456765/

Tickets listed for 28.00. I guarantee those tickets were not 28.00 after the general sale. As the event draws closer, the brokers lower prices, trying to sell and are in competition with each other. The result is brokers almost giving seats away so they don't eat them outright.

People can take advantage of stubhub if they know what they are doing.

susannj

kmac1976 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/business/media/report-exposes-widespread-abuses-in-ticketing-industry-in-new-york.html?_r=0

This is why I just always go the old school way and keep redialing the Ticketmaster phone #.... I can never get through using their website.... just as an FYI....

dimitrispearljam

Empty Glass said:

Selling tickets on secondary market - bad

Selling a PJ vinyl for $200 on Lost Dogs - fair price, great guy

i agree witn the logic,u know my opinion about flippers,the same time 10c tickets has their own policy,the merch dont..someone bought a vinyl at 2003,,now he sell it the price he wants..
and merch is something u can have for ever..ticket show is for specific day..u go,u see the show,ended..isnt something u own like merch...

deagator3

So, if I'm a Cleveland Indians fan and I want to go to a game in April, is it ok for me to purchase a ticket for well below face value outside the stadium, or do I need to purchase the ticket directly from the box office at the listed price? Is it "fair" for me as a buyer to "profit" by paying less than face value for the ticket, or should I be required to pay the box office price?

And the Jets are one of the few sports franchises in North America that can implement such a system because the demand for their tickets is high at the moment - they won't have the same rules when there isn't a wait list for season tickets. This means that right now a Jets season ticket holder can get face value, or as you mentioned, slightly above, for almost any game. That certainly isn't true for a Mets season ticket holder - you'll need to sell some prime games to offset the losses for those miserably cold games in April and May when you sometimes aren't able to give tickets away.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

I really just don't get the anger. They are a commodity being sold in large part by people that don't share the same passion for the actual event as many of those that want to go do. They are just like stocks, except ones that grant access to events and have a definitive expiration date.

If anything, organized, legalized 100% guaranteed secondary marketplaces have helped eliminate people buying fakes and getting really, REALLY screwed out of money.

I don't do it for PJ shows, but I'll admit right now that I have absolutely made money playing the StubHub market for many events over the years. It's easy, and it's gotten me into a ton of events for free.

kudos to you for admitting it, but at the same time........BRUTAL.

Why? Why is selling tickets at market rate a scarlet letter I should run from?

I would say that 75% of my sales are for New York Mets tickets, which I have season tickets for. I have 4 tickets, for 81 games. That's 324 tickets I need to use or sell in a 6 month span.

Not only does the team promote selling your extra's via StubHub, my Mets online account actually links directly to it for Christs sakes.

Last season because the team never thought in a million years they would go as far as they did allowed season ticket holders to load up on playoff tickets. I would up having my seats, plus 4 more full strips, plus a bunch of individual tickets for single games. I sold a bunch for face to friends and to my Mets online community, and made a freaking killing selling the rest which afforded me the ability to enjoy the whole run and make money the further they went. I'm not sure why I need to hide or feel ashamed about any of that. A buyer paid the price they wanted to pay for a commodity for something I \wanted to sell. What exactly am I ashamed of doing here?

by selling those tickets for the "market price", you are eliminating a large group of people that could otherwise afford to go to it. the winnipeg jets organization, for example, actually take away your season tickets if they catch you selling for more than face. you are allowed to sell, but only through their ticket exchange program. as a season ticket holder, let's say per game you are paying $80, but if you were to buy that ticket as a single, it would be $120. they allow you to take that price, since that is the price the person would be paying at a walk up anyway. I think there might be a small admin fee that goes to the Jets, but it's nominal.

when the jets first arrived, people were trying to sell their tickets for astronomical amounts to make back the money they had to spend on their season tickets. many got their seaons taken away from them.

I don't care if the Mets tell you it's ok. I personally don't think it is. you are profitting off of it. plain and simple.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

I really just don't get the anger. They are a commodity being sold in large part by people that don't share the same passion for the actual event as many of those that want to go do. They are just like stocks, except ones that grant access to events and have a definitive expiration date.

If anything, organized, legalized 100% guaranteed secondary marketplaces have helped eliminate people buying fakes and getting really, REALLY screwed out of money.

I don't do it for PJ shows, but I'll admit right now that I have absolutely made money playing the StubHub market for many events over the years. It's easy, and it's gotten me into a ton of events for free.

kudos to you for admitting it, but at the same time........BRUTAL.

Why? Why is selling tickets at market rate a scarlet letter I should run from?

I would say that 75% of my sales are for New York Mets tickets, which I have season tickets for. I have 4 tickets, for 81 games. That's 324 tickets I need to use or sell in a 6 month span.

Not only does the team promote selling your extra's via StubHub, my Mets online account actually links directly to it for Christs sakes.

Last season because the team never thought in a million years they would go as far as they did allowed season ticket holders to load up on playoff tickets. I would up having my seats, plus 4 more full strips, plus a bunch of individual tickets for single games. I sold a bunch for face to friends and to my Mets online community, and made a freaking killing selling the rest which afforded me the ability to enjoy the whole run and make money the further they went. I'm not sure why I need to hide or feel ashamed about any of that. A buyer paid the price they wanted to pay for a commodity for something I \wanted to sell. What exactly am I ashamed of doing here?

by selling those tickets for the "market price", you are eliminating a large group of people that could otherwise afford to go to it. the winnipeg jets organization, for example, actually take away your season tickets if they catch you selling for more than face. you are allowed to sell, but only through their ticket exchange program. as a season ticket holder, let's say per game you are paying $80, but if you were to buy that ticket as a single, it would be $120. they allow you to take that price, since that is the price the person would be paying at a walk up anyway. I think there might be a small admin fee that goes to the Jets, but it's nominal.

when the jets first arrived, people were trying to sell their tickets for astronomical amounts to make back the money they had to spend on their season tickets. many got their seaons taken away from them.

I don't care if the Mets tell you it's ok. I personally don't think it is. you are profitting off of it. plain and simple.

Saltzy23

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

I really just don't get the anger. They are a commodity being sold in large part by people that don't share the same passion for the actual event as many of those that want to go do. They are just like stocks, except ones that grant access to events and have a definitive expiration date.

If anything, organized, legalized 100% guaranteed secondary marketplaces have helped eliminate people buying fakes and getting really, REALLY screwed out of money.

I don't do it for PJ shows, but I'll admit right now that I have absolutely made money playing the StubHub market for many events over the years. It's easy, and it's gotten me into a ton of events for free.

kudos to you for admitting it, but at the same time........BRUTAL.

Why? Why is selling tickets at market rate a scarlet letter I should run from?

I would say that 75% of my sales are for New York Mets tickets, which I have season tickets for. I have 4 tickets, for 81 games. That's 324 tickets I need to use or sell in a 6 month span.

Not only does the team promote selling your extra's via StubHub, my Mets online account actually links directly to it for Christs sakes.

Last season because the team never thought in a million years they would go as far as they did allowed season ticket holders to load up on playoff tickets. I would up having my seats, plus 4 more full strips, plus a bunch of individual tickets for single games. I sold a bunch for face to friends and to my Mets online community, and made a freaking killing selling the rest which afforded me the ability to enjoy the whole run and make money the further they went. I'm not sure why I need to hide or feel ashamed about any of that. A buyer paid the price they wanted to pay for a commodity for something I \wanted to sell. What exactly am I ashamed of doing here?

by selling those tickets for the "market price", you are eliminating a large group of people that could otherwise afford to go to it. the winnipeg jets organization, for example, actually take away your season tickets if they catch you selling for more than face. you are allowed to sell, but only through their ticket exchange program. as a season ticket holder, let's say per game you are paying $80, but if you were to buy that ticket as a single, it would be $120. they allow you to take that price, since that is the price the person would be paying at a walk up anyway. I think there might be a small admin fee that goes to the Jets, but it's nominal.

when the jets first arrived, people were trying to sell their tickets for astronomical amounts to make back the money they had to spend on their season tickets. many got their seaons taken away from them.

I don't care if the Mets tell you it's ok. I personally don't think it is. you are profitting off of it. plain and simple.

I lay out like $5k a year for hundreds of tickets I have no clue are gonna be worthless if the team sucks. It's a huge risk buying season tickets. Selling the games you can for over face is how you recoup a lot of the expense. Everyone only looks at it through the eyes of the person who can't get in to the big game for the price they want to pay. No one ever looks at it through the eyes of the guy that bought Wednesday night games 4 months in advance they have no idea if they can go to or will matter at all. Allowing those people to be able to sell the high demand tickets at a premium is how they can mitigate the risk. Again, I have no idea idea why I need to apologize for that.

Saltzy, you would be a moron to do anything differently. You have Mets seasons. They somehow make the post-season for the first time in years, tickets are hot. And stubhub isn't all bad. Hasn't anyone bought a ticket for under face value? Stubhub has tons of tickets for way less than face value for all kinds of events. You live in Jersey and want to check out Muse tonight?

http://www.stubhub.com/muse-tickets-muse-newark-prudential-center-1-29-2016/event/9456765/

Tickets listed for 28.00. I guarantee those tickets were not 28.00 after the general sale. As the event draws closer, the brokers lower prices, trying to sell and are in competition with each other. The result is brokers almost giving seats away so they don't eat them outright.

People can take advantage of stubhub if they know what they are doing.

Thanks dude. You obviously see the whole picture objectively and without bringing emotions into what essentially boils down to business transactions.

Right, no one ever cares about the guy that buys season tickets and has to eat tons of tickets or unload them for pennies on the dollar when the season falls apart. That guy 'should have known the risks involved' and shit. Like, if I want to support my team I need to understand that losing thousands of dollars is simply part of the equation if they suck.

Ya, fuck that.

For every ticket I have sold for over face over the years (Opening Days, Yankee games, weekend giveway days, etc) I have taken a loss on 5. That doesn't count though. Only the part at what a greedy dick I am for selling the high demand tickets for over face is what matters or what anyone ever talks about.

Basically (at least when it comes to season tickets for sporting events anyway) this is what people DEMAND, or else the world is unfair.

-The games they want
-ONLY the games they want
-The ability to buy individual tickets for those games as late in the game as possible, while getting the seats they want, and at the price they want to pay while not having to commit a single penny to any other games they don't want.

When the world does not comply with those rules, they claim how greedy and shitty everyone is.

It is completely and utterly ridiculous.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

What if you bought 4 tickets to One Direction for your kids for their concert next summer (because they go on sale so damn far ahead of the shows now days) and you have a change of plans and need to sell your tickets. You log onto stubhub to sell and find out the cheapest ticket in the house is going for 3x face value. Are you really going to list for face value? Or are you going to list for market value? Unfortunately, even if you want to "do the right thing" and sell the tix at face value, a scalper is going to buy them in 2 seconds and put them back up for sale in 5 seconds at market value and take advantage of you.

lolobugg

dimitrispearljam said:

Empty Glass said:

Selling tickets on secondary market - bad

Selling a PJ vinyl for $200 on Lost Dogs - fair price, great guy

i agree witn the logic,u know my opinion about flippers,the same time 10c tickets has their own policy,the merch dont..someone bought a vinyl at 2003,,now he sell it the price he wants..
and merch is something u can have for ever..ticket show is for specific day..u go,u see the show,ended..isnt something u own like merch...

where's that Nazi Flipper video when you need it?
you should do one about scalpers!!!

Saltzy23

People in general just need to understand that the world doesn't give a flying shit how passionate you are about 'X', or that you've waited your whole life to see 'X', or that you 'deserve to be able to see 'X'.

Humans have come up with the fairest way possible to decide who gets what. We call it money.

People may not like that, and people may say that it shouldn't be the deciding factor but that is just idealistic crazy talk.

Here is what matters and what determines what goods and services cost. It's on page 1 of every macro-econ book ever written.

Supply=Demand

Period. End of conversation. If you want to live in a capitalist country and enjoy its benefits these are the downsides of it.

With all that said, anyone that sells 10C tickets for over face should be horse and quartered, because this place should be a sanctuary from the evils of the world when it comes to people looking to sell tickets and make a buck. I think on that point we all seem to agree.

Free

Saltzy23 said:

People in general just need to understand that the world doesn't give a flying shit how passionate you are about 'X', or that you've waited your whole life to see 'X', or that you 'deserve to be able to see 'X'.

Humans have come up with the fairest way possible to decide who gets what. We call it money.

People may not like that, and people may say that it shouldn't be the deciding factor but that is just idealistic crazy talk.

Here is what matters and what determines what goods and services cost. It's on page 1 of every macro-econ book ever written.

Supply=Demand

Period. End of conversation. If you want to live in a capitalist country and enjoy its benefits these are the downsides of it.

With all that said, anyone that sells 10C tickets for over face should be horse and quartered, because this place should be a sanctuary from the evils of the world when it comes to people looking to sell tickets and make a buck. I think on that point we all seem to agree.

Capitalism comes with a price. It's called greed. And the greedy will take advantage any way they can.

JC29856

Saltzy23 said:

People in general just need to understand that the world doesn't give a flying shit how passionate you are about 'X', or that you've waited your whole life to see 'X', or that you 'deserve to be able to see 'X'.

Humans have come up with the fairest way possible to decide who gets what. We call it money.

People may not like that, and people may say that it shouldn't be the deciding factor but that is just idealistic crazy talk.

Here is what matters and what determines what goods and services cost. It's on page 1 of every macro-econ book ever written.

Supply=Demand

Period. End of conversation. If you want to live in a capitalist country and enjoy its benefits these are the downsides of it.

With all that said, anyone that sells 10C tickets for over face should be horse and quartered, because this place should be a sanctuary from the evils of the world when it comes to people looking to sell tickets and make a buck. I think on that point we all seem to agree.

BS! capitalism / supply and demand speak is for the ignorant and naive.

Free

dimitrispearljam said:

Empty Glass said:

Selling tickets on secondary market - bad

Selling a PJ vinyl for $200 on Lost Dogs - fair price, great guy

i agree witn the logic,u know my opinion about flippers,the same time 10c tickets has their own policy,the merch dont..someone bought a vinyl at 2003,,now he sell it the price he wants..
and merch is something u can have for ever..ticket show is for specific day..u go,u see the show,ended..isnt something u own like merch...

Merch is just stuff. Shows are experiences and memories. That's a huge difference to a lot of people. You can't get happiness from looking at your stuff.

HughFreakingDillon

deagator3 said:

So, if I'm a Cleveland Indians fan and I want to go to a game in April, is it ok for me to purchase a ticket for well below face value outside the stadium, or do I need to purchase the ticket directly from the box office at the listed price? Is it "fair" for me as a buyer to "profit" by paying less than face value for the ticket, or should I be required to pay the box office price?

And the Jets are one of the few sports franchises in North America that can implement such a system because the demand for their tickets is high at the moment - they won't have the same rules when there isn't a wait list for season tickets. This means that right now a Jets season ticket holder can get face value, or as you mentioned, slightly above, for almost any game. That certainly isn't true for a Mets season ticket holder - you'll need to sell some prime games to offset the losses for those miserably cold games in April and May when you sometimes aren't able to give tickets away.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

I really just don't get the anger. They are a commodity being sold in large part by people that don't share the same passion for the actual event as many of those that want to go do. They are just like stocks, except ones that grant access to events and have a definitive expiration date.

If anything, organized, legalized 100% guaranteed secondary marketplaces have helped eliminate people buying fakes and getting really, REALLY screwed out of money.

I don't do it for PJ shows, but I'll admit right now that I have absolutely made money playing the StubHub market for many events over the years. It's easy, and it's gotten me into a ton of events for free.

kudos to you for admitting it, but at the same time........BRUTAL.

Why? Why is selling tickets at market rate a scarlet letter I should run from?

I would say that 75% of my sales are for New York Mets tickets, which I have season tickets for. I have 4 tickets, for 81 games. That's 324 tickets I need to use or sell in a 6 month span.

Not only does the team promote selling your extra's via StubHub, my Mets online account actually links directly to it for Christs sakes.

Last season because the team never thought in a million years they would go as far as they did allowed season ticket holders to load up on playoff tickets. I would up having my seats, plus 4 more full strips, plus a bunch of individual tickets for single games. I sold a bunch for face to friends and to my Mets online community, and made a freaking killing selling the rest which afforded me the ability to enjoy the whole run and make money the further they went. I'm not sure why I need to hide or feel ashamed about any of that. A buyer paid the price they wanted to pay for a commodity for something I \wanted to sell. What exactly am I ashamed of doing here?

by selling those tickets for the "market price", you are eliminating a large group of people that could otherwise afford to go to it. the winnipeg jets organization, for example, actually take away your season tickets if they catch you selling for more than face. you are allowed to sell, but only through their ticket exchange program. as a season ticket holder, let's say per game you are paying $80, but if you were to buy that ticket as a single, it would be $120. they allow you to take that price, since that is the price the person would be paying at a walk up anyway. I think there might be a small admin fee that goes to the Jets, but it's nominal.

when the jets first arrived, people were trying to sell their tickets for astronomical amounts to make back the money they had to spend on their season tickets. many got their seaons taken away from them.

I don't care if the Mets tell you it's ok. I personally don't think it is. you are profitting off of it. plain and simple.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Saltzy23 said:

I really just don't get the anger. They are a commodity being sold in large part by people that don't share the same passion for the actual event as many of those that want to go do. They are just like stocks, except ones that grant access to events and have a definitive expiration date.

If anything, organized, legalized 100% guaranteed secondary marketplaces have helped eliminate people buying fakes and getting really, REALLY screwed out of money.

I don't do it for PJ shows, but I'll admit right now that I have absolutely made money playing the StubHub market for many events over the years. It's easy, and it's gotten me into a ton of events for free.

kudos to you for admitting it, but at the same time........BRUTAL.

Why? Why is selling tickets at market rate a scarlet letter I should run from?

I would say that 75% of my sales are for New York Mets tickets, which I have season tickets for. I have 4 tickets, for 81 games. That's 324 tickets I need to use or sell in a 6 month span.

Not only does the team promote selling your extra's via StubHub, my Mets online account actually links directly to it for Christs sakes.

Last season because the team never thought in a million years they would go as far as they did allowed season ticket holders to load up on playoff tickets. I would up having my seats, plus 4 more full strips, plus a bunch of individual tickets for single games. I sold a bunch for face to friends and to my Mets online community, and made a freaking killing selling the rest which afforded me the ability to enjoy the whole run and make money the further they went. I'm not sure why I need to hide or feel ashamed about any of that. A buyer paid the price they wanted to pay for a commodity for something I \wanted to sell. What exactly am I ashamed of doing here?

by selling those tickets for the "market price", you are eliminating a large group of people that could otherwise afford to go to it. the winnipeg jets organization, for example, actually take away your season tickets if they catch you selling for more than face. you are allowed to sell, but only through their ticket exchange program. as a season ticket holder, let's say per game you are paying $80, but if you were to buy that ticket as a single, it would be $120. they allow you to take that price, since that is the price the person would be paying at a walk up anyway. I think there might be a small admin fee that goes to the Jets, but it's nominal.

when the jets first arrived, people were trying to sell their tickets for astronomical amounts to make back the money they had to spend on their season tickets. many got their seaons taken away from them.

I don't care if the Mets tell you it's ok. I personally don't think it is. you are profitting off of it. plain and simple.

right now Jets fans are running into that very problem. they suck, and people are trying to unload them, and they can't. The Jets are still keeping their rules in place, however. the folks that cashed in their investments to get season tickets are now kicking themselves.

And yes, the risk is all up to the buyer. If that person bought the ticket and no longer can go/wants to go, the risk of having to sell it for below face lies with them.