Concerned: possible fraud (hopefully not)

GhostChile

Hello everyone:

First of all, my apologies for putting this case in public, I know that has nothing to do with all the enthusiasm and good vibes there by the European Tour. But I think I have no choice. I need to hear your opinions!
In December 2013, when PJ announced their European tour, I searched the forums for a Chilean (I lived in Chile) who participated in the draw for tickets of 10C and found one , which I contacted immediately and asked for tickets for Milan - Trieste - Vienna- Berlin- Oslo – Stockholm. He requested me to transfer him the money saying that this was the only way he could save me those tickets. So I paid (I can attached the screenshot of that, but I just don’t want to reveal his name yet).
It may sound a little crazy, but the truth is that in the 15 years I've been meeting people through PJ , I have had only good experiences , so I did not hesitate . We talked on the phone a couple of times, we connected on Facebook, and we agreed that later we coordinate the trip to go together.
In early January, my wife and I received a tremendous new: We are going to be parents for the 2nd time  .. So, as sad as it gets, immediately I had to cancel my trip, thinking that in June we will have almost 7 months pregnant and I want to be here with my family.
So I talked to my “seller" to explain the situation. He had no problem , he said.

I posted my case in the Facebook PJ Group , and several of you congratulated me and then a bunch of you contacted me to request info about the tickets. I wishfully tried to sell them in the same way that my "seller" did to me , but obviously no one wanted to do business with me because the holder of the tickets is not me. I then understood that I was in trouble.
Several people, kindly explained me that I had made a mistake by paying in advance and that the right thing to do now is to request my money back . This is where the story gets confusing.

My "seller” said he has no money, but ask me to seek buyers. I explained that I had already contacted several (like 30) “buyers” but no one would do business with me. He would have to negotiate. So I got in touch with a person who was very interested in accessing all “my " tickets. I created a chat between the 3, and my “seller" just left the conversation. Then scolded me telling me I was wrong, telling other people about our arrangement. He even gets angry with me. It looks like he was embarrassing by other people knowing he has requested me to pay him in advanced. He knows he was wrong asking me to paid him in advanced!

So I wait all February, expecting him to contact me, to offer me a solution or at least to chat how to resolve. Nothing.

Now in March, I contacted him again, and he told me he was probably not even going to the shows, so in his opinion, my money was not refundable because the 10C wouldn’t refund him either. I thought “WTF”?

Then he told me that when he collected money he would give it back to me , but when I asked if he had and estimated payment date, he began with a disrespectful attitude , saying I was an irresponsible guy , that it was not his fault that my wife is pregnant and he wouldn’t talk about this anymore.

So, this is the situation nowdays , not knowing if he's going or not going to the shows , he scaring off potential buyers , not knowing if he will return me the money or not.

Thank God I will not die by losing a thousand dollars, but I´m sure I would be acting different in his position, helping to connect people, returning the money back, or even calling him to clarify things. A friend asked me: “What if now you decided to go to the shows? And the seller keeps avoiding you?”. Worst, What if I decided to go, and he is not going?

Really, I don’t have the time neither the spirit of controversy. Just want all you to know this case. I run my little company for 8 years now and thanks to that I learned how to react when I lose/win money. Sometimes you have nothing to do. Money goes, money come. But that applies to business! Business doesn’t have a soul. I think it’s different here (it feels a lot different), where we are supposed to be kind with each other’s. I´m a little worry on how will this story ends. Of course, I will post his name here and everywhere if he fraud me, but I will also let all of you know if he changes his attitude and refund my money soon. I even offer him to pay me $USD 250/month (March-April-May-June), but I have no answer.

Well, thanks for reading. And I would appreciate your opinions about this!

Last-12-Exit

As silly as it was for you to give money in advance, the guy should do the right thing and refund your money. But if he doesn't, karma is a bitch. He'll get what's coming to him. If it's one thing I hate, it's a fucking no good thief.

karmadefect

Hey hey I'm no bitch. Mind your manners.

Last-12-Exit said:

As silly as it was for you to give money in advance, the guy should do the right thing and refund your money. But if he doesn't, karma is a bitch. He'll get what's coming to him. If it's one thing I hate, it's a fucking no good thief.

Hey hey I'm no bitch. Mind your manners.

That's an awfull story.
I must say you were a little too good of faith, but that is no excuse.
The wrong doing isn't by the one who trust, but by the one who mis uses that trust.

I'd say it's a very easy salution for him.
Sell the tickets he sold you and refund the money to you.
What's the big deal if he's honest?
Noone loses in that senario.

If he's think fuck it I've got that dude's money and now that he's paid for my trip, I'll get more money from someone else.

Best senario he is a lousy communicator worst senario, well that involves words that the monitors won't feel to enthousiastic about.

In situations like this a certain Radiohead line always comes to mind.

Good luck with this and lets hope the guy understand that he can still redeem himself and save a young family from getting hurt.
And a fellow Pearl Jam fan from a bad taste.

To the seller this is no way to attend a Pearl Jam show. This will always stick to your memory of the gigs.
Doing the right thing here will certain do more for your self image. Because Last-12-Exit is right karma is a ........

Justyna

Hi,

In my opinion, he should never ask you for the money in adavance, as no one can be 100% sure to be there to collect the tickets in person at the venue on the day, especially when you talking about six.
He should refund you the money immiedetly. Things happen in life, you gave him a lot of time to find a new tickets buddies and you had even found the buyers but he refused to cooperate. You have done everything you could.

Maybe the seller sold his spare tickets to several other people or maybe he has no tickets at all.

I feel very sorry for you, it must be the nerve wracking experience.
I do hope the seller will refund you your money down to the last cent in very close future.

What goes around, comes around

given2fly23

I'm sorry to hear this. It's terrible and the seller is obviously a crook, but I do not think there was anything wrong with hjm asking for money in advance because the buyer could have backed out too. Maybe the buyer could have negotiated a small deposit rather than the full amount.

Anyways, to the buyer. How did you pay? If you paid by credit card or PayPal, maybe you can dispute the charge through the company. Did you meet the seller here on the 10C board?

Last-12-Exit

unless your name is elwayvedder, I wouldnt give my money to anyone in advance.

GhostChile

given2fly23 said:

I'm sorry to hear this. It's terrible and the seller is obviously a crook, but I do not think there was anything wrong with hjm asking for money in advance because the buyer could have backed out too. Maybe the buyer could have negotiated a small deposit rather than the full amount.

Anyways, to the buyer. How did you pay? If you paid by credit card or PayPal, maybe you can dispute the charge through the company. Did you meet the seller here on the 10C board?

I paid him with an electtronic transfer (is that the name?).
I meet the seller on the board...

GhostChile

Thanks everyone for your opinions, really.