2019-2020 NHL Preseason

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    mrussel1 said:
    pjhawks said:
    the NHL game is better today that it has been in a long long time. do you guys not remember the awful 90s where it was impossible to score because of the defenses and allowing interference on every play?   Offenses are fine in today's NHL. Just becomes harder to score in the playoffs because all 5 defenders will try to block every shot in the zone.  that's the biggest issue in playoff hockey. getting shots through to the net.

    I'm not sure NBA will every truly take over either. there are just not enough teams that win on a year to year basis.something like the number 1 seeds have won over 70% of the NBA titles. and the 1 and 2 seeds something like 85%.  I think only 2 teams ever outside a 3 seed have won an NBA title.  the chalk plays in the NBA and it's pretty boring unless you are one of those teams.
    The '90s were awful.  I believe that is when the left wing lock and neutral zone trap systems were introduced.  I quit watching hockey in the '90s...I think the game is faster than ever, allowing for the small forwards to excel.
    And the two line pass. Im not sure I mentioned earlier but the NHL is unique in that it officiates differently in the playoffs.  No other league does that.  I think that stymies scoring  
    Why do you keep referencing the 2-line pass, it was brought back in 2005...it did fuck-all to increase scoring...

    The greatest coach of all-time has said it adds no benefit and does not help to score.  He has explained why.  Read up on it, he knows more about hockey than anyone alive...

    And if you wanna know how many breakaways it has added, do the research.  But facts are facts, allowing the skilled players to use their speed is increasing scoring...not the 2 line pass.


    You posted the Bowman quote after I was talking about the 2 line pass.  And no thanks on crunching data on it, I really don't care any more about that than widening the net.  This is a rock band forum where we get to wonder aloud without researching.  
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,900
    pjhawks said:
    Poncier said:
    Hockey, like baseball, is very regional with fans. They watch their home team but not a lot of out of market viewing.

    You won't get a lot of fans from Texas, Florida, North Dakota and Michigan tuning in for a national regular season broadcast of a Flyers/Bruins game on a Sunday afternoon, nor would many of those fans tune into the Phillies/Red Sox on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, but you'd damn sure get a lot of them to tune into Eagles/Patriots for Sunday Night Football.

    National viewership will increase to a degree in playoffs, especially finals, but nothing like the NFL or NBA will draw. Not even close.
    last Saturday night the NHL did a 1.2 rating on NBC (4.3 million viewers). the NBA did a 1.7 (5.33 million viewers).  it's closer than you think.

    Likely be a bigger disparity during the Finals, though the lack of a LeBron has/will hurt the NBA this year.
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,736
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    Poncier said:
    Hockey, like baseball, is very regional with fans. They watch their home team but not a lot of out of market viewing.

    You won't get a lot of fans from Texas, Florida, North Dakota and Michigan tuning in for a national regular season broadcast of a Flyers/Bruins game on a Sunday afternoon, nor would many of those fans tune into the Phillies/Red Sox on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, but you'd damn sure get a lot of them to tune into Eagles/Patriots for Sunday Night Football.

    National viewership will increase to a degree in playoffs, especially finals, but nothing like the NFL or NBA will draw. Not even close.
    last Saturday night the NHL did a 1.2 rating on NBC (4.3 million viewers). the NBA did a 1.7 (5.33 million viewers).  it's closer than you think.

    Likely be a bigger disparity during the Finals, though the lack of a LeBron has/will hurt the NBA this year.
    not sure about that.  NHL will have much bigger market teams.  Looking at Boston vs.San Jose/St. Louis in the NHL while the NBA is going to be Golden State vs. Milwaukee/Toronto. Small US market or non-US Market in the Eastern Conference for the NBA. that's not a good way to get ratings.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,333
    Go Blues!

    the rest of these teams can go fuck themselves.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,419
    Holy shit!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,419
    Wobbie said:
    Go Blues!

    the rest of these teams can go fuck themselves.
    Seems the blues are fucking themselves.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,738
    Stupid fucking icings at the end. God damnit. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,261
    It looks like a blown call...

    CBC's last replay showed the possibility that the puck may have hit a St. Louis player, barely.  But certainly not definitive and certainly not something the refs saw.  The CBC host said the back ref is responsible for tracking the puck...the reffing these playoffs have been bad.  And SJ is benefiting a little.

    Nothing can be done now.  St. Louis just has to move on and win the next game.

    However, I am getting the feeling that maybe this is SJ year?
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,121
    not sure how the refs missed that one.  it was obvious to everyone i was watching it with right away that it was a hand pass.  shitty way to take a "L" in OT playoffs ...
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,738
    San Jose is benefitting more than a little. This is the third time this postseason. Once in each series.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,121
    I'm not sure I've seen a home crowd that stunned before ... their brains couldn't process how the refs were not overturning a clear illegal pass.  Refs got out of there just in time to avoid being pelted with bud light cups
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,261
    I am more surprised that all scoring plays are not reviewed by upstairs?  That is coming.  They review offsides, why not a quick review of a scoring play.  That would have taken no time to overturn.  I hope the refs get out safely...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,261
    San Jose is benefitting more than a little. This is the third time this postseason. Once in each series.
    I did not realize they have benefitted 3 times.  St. Louis is not done.  Berube will have them ready for the next game.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,738
    I am more surprised that all scoring plays are not reviewed by upstairs?  That is coming.  They review offsides, why not a quick review of a scoring play.  That would have taken no time to overturn.  I hope the refs get out safely...
    Yeah man. If the NFL can do it for every scoring play, why not hockey?

    Also, I hope I didn’t come across as a dick in my post about SJ benefiting. Apologies if I did. It reads worse than what I was trying to say. Emotions were running a little high in the ledvedderman house and I probably could have phrased that better. You’re right that Berube will have them amped up for game 4. 

    Now to try to fucking sleep after that. God damnit. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,261
    I am more surprised that all scoring plays are not reviewed by upstairs?  That is coming.  They review offsides, why not a quick review of a scoring play.  That would have taken no time to overturn.  I hope the refs get out safely...
    Yeah man. If the NFL can do it for every scoring play, why not hockey?

    Also, I hope I didn’t come across as a dick in my post about SJ benefiting. Apologies if I did. It reads worse than what I was trying to say. Emotions were running a little high in the ledvedderman house and I probably could have phrased that better. You’re right that Berube will have them amped up for game 4. 

    Now to try to fucking sleep after that. God damnit. 
    No need for an apology.  That was a bogus call.  Does it not seem obvious that scoring plays should be reviewed?? 
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,738
    I looked at something like that earlier and I didn’t see the puck act like it had hit something. 
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,121
    I think the camera motion on the shot above makes it look like it change directions several times depending on which way it pans.  There are better views out there.  Doesn’t really matter if the refs no see 
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero GalaxyPosts: 17,578
    Charles Barkley really wanted to watch the finish to Game 7 between the Stars and Blues
    https://www.bardown.com/charles-barkley-really-wanted-to-watch-the-finish-to-game-7-between-the-stars-and-blues-1.1302605

    Even Charles Barkley knows hockey is more exciting than the NBA...LOL
    Yes I'd watch a playoff hockey game than the NBA Finals. There's nothing like playoff hockey especially if your team is still in the hunt for the Cup, that said......

    GO BRUINS 5 more wins and BOSTON will be the ONLY city EVAH to defend 3 titles in the same year.

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,261
    I think the blues got robbed, no doubt.  I did not see enough to convince otherwise.  That video was proof that it would likely not be a quick video review...but I still think game-winning goals in the playoffs should be reviewed...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,261
    g under p said:
    Charles Barkley really wanted to watch the finish to Game 7 between the Stars and Blues
    https://www.bardown.com/charles-barkley-really-wanted-to-watch-the-finish-to-game-7-between-the-stars-and-blues-1.1302605

    Even Charles Barkley knows hockey is more exciting than the NBA...LOL
    Yes I'd watch a playoff hockey game than the NBA Finals. There's nothing like playoff hockey especially if your team is still in the hunt for the Cup, that said......

    GO BRUINS 5 more wins and BOSTON will be the ONLY city EVAH to defend 3 titles in the same year.

    Peace
    I enjoy Charles on the pre-game and halftime more than the game itself.

    I am following basketball a little more closely...I'd like to see Toronto in the finals...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,121
    g under p said:
    Charles Barkley really wanted to watch the finish to Game 7 between the Stars and Blues
    https://www.bardown.com/charles-barkley-really-wanted-to-watch-the-finish-to-game-7-between-the-stars-and-blues-1.1302605

    Even Charles Barkley knows hockey is more exciting than the NBA...LOL
    Yes I'd watch a playoff hockey game than the NBA Finals. There's nothing like playoff hockey especially if your team is still in the hunt for the Cup, that said......

    GO BRUINS 5 more wins and BOSTON will be the ONLY city EVAH to defend 3 titles in the same year.

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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 10,110
    Please, no more reviewable plays.  Its past the critical mass as it is
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 10,477
    Hate to see good games end that way. Need to close games out when you have the lead at home with a minute left and an empty net.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,736
    I think the blues got robbed, no doubt.  I did not see enough to convince otherwise.  That video was proof that it would likely not be a quick video review...but I still think game-winning goals in the playoffs should be reviewed...
    agree and karlsson doesn't really react after he scores like he knew it was coming back. you can't miss that call in a playoff game.  feel bad for the Blues.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,167
    Refs
    You
    Suck

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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,900
    g under p said:
    Charles Barkley really wanted to watch the finish to Game 7 between the Stars and Blues
    https://www.bardown.com/charles-barkley-really-wanted-to-watch-the-finish-to-game-7-between-the-stars-and-blues-1.1302605

    Even Charles Barkley knows hockey is more exciting than the NBA...LOL


    GO BRUINS 5 more wins and BOSTON will be the ONLY city EVAH to defend 3 titles in the same year.

    Peace
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,738
    My opinion is... If the Blues lost then it was a good call. :i_dunno:
    Them’s fightin’ words, pal!!
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