4 pages and no mention of Mick Jagger?! I thought his performance and band were the best. There were only about 4 or 5 actual "musical" performances of the night. A lot of strobe flashing lights and distraction.
The mainstream shit is total mind control.
+1 that's talent and dance better than Bieber/Usher... that's for sure... that's a Performance by a true artist, no lights and a lot of people dancing/jumping around
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i liked that lady gagoo performance. it was a spectacle and i like spectacles
as far as pj showing up i bet they show up for their introduction to the RnR HoF and u cant have it both ways...
1996 was 15 years ago
They have a LONG ways to go before getting into the HOF. Rush and Deep Purple aren't even in there. I love PJ but really don't see them getting in at this point. It's been said many times....outside of this board they are barely relevant anymore. They sell tickets but a lot of people don't even know they are still making new music.
+1 that's talent and dance better than Bieber/Usher... that's for sure... that's a Performance by a true artist, no lights and a lot of people dancing/jumping around
What happened? Someone fill me in. I was watching basketball.
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All the music celebrated today is overproduced, overhyped, and over the top. The show is full of fake acceptance awards and "performers" who are designed by their record label. I was proud to see you were not there when the band's name was called. Dylan is the only talented performer I saw there tonight.
But anyway, congrats to Muse for having the best light show of the year. That's what they won, right?
So if Pearl Jam had won would you still go by your 1st sentence?????
I see what you are saying but they didn't win. I'm actually surprised they were even nominated.
(this reminds me of the quote: "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle? )
All the music celebrated today is overproduced, overhyped, and over the top. The show is full of fake acceptance awards and "performers" who are designed by their record label. I was proud to see you were not there when the band's name was called. Dylan is the only talented performer I saw there tonight.
But anyway, congrats to Muse for having the best light show of the year. That's what they won, right?
I am a huge music lover and I thought there were multiple great performances. Bruno Mars/Jackie Wilson performance was amazing, Muse was solid and Cee-Lo's performance was pure entertainment minus Gwyneth paltrow lackluster singing. To say that show is full of fake acceptance speeches is a bit much. What would you say? Then saying "All" the music is overproduced is a broad stroke. Also, what does overproduced really mean? I hear this get thrown around a lot but with not much explanation.
Not all, should've wrote most.
By "overproduced" I meant acts that don't write their own stuff and basically just have a producer formulate their sound for them. Of course bands have a producer work on their sound, but some pop stars are basically just the look and/or voice, not the one who is actually in charge of what direction the production takes.
i liked that lady gagoo performance. it was a spectacle and i like spectacles
as far as pj showing up i bet they show up for their introduction to the RnR HoF and u cant have it both ways...
1996 was 15 years ago
They have a LONG ways to go before getting into the HOF. Rush and Deep Purple aren't even in there. I love PJ but really don't see them getting in at this point. It's been said many times....outside of this board they are barely relevant anymore. They sell tickets but a lot of people don't even know they are still making new music.
Thats the funniest things Ive ever hard. Remember this: Pearl Jam WILL be a first time ballot inductee to HOF in 2016. Pearl Jam did more more for the state of music in 20 years than Deep Purple has done in four decades. And the stats prove it.
and as far as PJ not being relevant anymore---
"(Backspacer) The album has racked up 4,777,744 scrobbles so far on Last.fm, impressively making it the band’s second most popular album behind the debut 1991 release Ten (which has a huge 13,263,775 scrobbles)."
Come again?
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I didn't even know that PJ was nominated, less that the Grammys even being on.
With it widely known that these award shows are industry politically motivated (as already mentioned), to make 5 pages out of this issue is giving the Grammys way too much merit. I applaud PJ for sticking to their old principles and not attending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CM ... re=related
Not to mention that art is subjective. Why would anyone let an award ceremony dictate who's better than everyone else? There is no ONE authority to say that one band is better than another. We're here because we think that PJ is the best. That should be enough.
By "overproduced" I meant acts that don't write their own stuff and basically just have a producer formulate their sound for them. Of course bands have a producer work on their sound, but some pop stars are basically just the look and/or voice, not the one who is actually in charge of what direction the production takes.
That has been going on since the 50's when there were 10 song writers in the entire United States for pop music. All pop music is over produced then always has always will be. You’re not breaking any new ground on the subject. A lot of people can't sing but they sure can write good so why not have a person with a great voice and being easy on the eyes sing your song to get it out to the masses. Producers are a big part of the music industry and some people will say without them music would be a little boring out there.
Thats the funniest things Ive ever hard. Remember this: Pearl Jam WILL be a first time ballot inductee to HOF in 2016. Pearl Jam did more more for the state of music in 20 years than Deep Purple has done in four decades. And the stats prove it.
I will take that bet any day of the week. You need to take your blinders off and look at the facts. Ever been to a guitar store and not heard someone playing Smoke on the Water? Maybe they weren't a great example but Rush...come one. I can't stand them but they should be in there. Is Iron Maiden in there? Is Nirvana in there? No and no. Alice Cooper JUST got in finally. Sabbath and Skynard didn't get in until 2006. If those bands aren't in there and the others took so long to get in there, Pearl Jam won't be in 5 years or probably even 10 years.
Honestly, what has Pearl Jam done in the past 10-15 years that would qualify them for the HOF? They can't even sell out shows in the South and Midwest. They put on awesome live shows but it takes more than that to be in the HOF. When people are Tweeting "I didn't even know they were still around"....
Thats the funniest things Ive ever hard. Remember this: Pearl Jam WILL be a first time ballot inductee to HOF in 2016. Pearl Jam did more more for the state of music in 20 years than Deep Purple has done in four decades. And the stats prove it.
Call me crazy, but that small cover done of Dolly Parton's "Jolene" was one of the best performances of the night.
I believe it was Norah Jones, Keith Urban and John Mayers. Great acknowledgment.
Lady Gaga's alleged, memorable performance, was bland.
Just a lot of awful stuff. Cee-Lo's performance was great. He upstaged Gaga and you can never go wrong with Muppets. Have no idea why Paltrow was along for the ride though.
And so you see, I have come to doubt All that I once held as true I stand alone without beliefs The only truth I know is you.
I didn't even know that PJ was nominated, less that the Grammys even being on.
With it widely known that these award shows are industry politically motivated (as already mentioned), to make 5 pages out of this issue is giving the Grammys way too much merit. I applaud PJ for sticking to their old principles and not attending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CM ... re=related
Not to mention that art is subjective. Why would anyone let an award ceremony dictate who's better than everyone else? There is no ONE authority to say that one band is better than another. We're here because we think that PJ is the best. That should be enough.
Do people not like being recognized anymore? I don't think the artists who win are running around saying "I am the best pop male singer song writer ever!!!" Take it for what its worth it's a huge show people get entertained and then get drunk. I bet that when Ed looks back at his the old video of their acceptance speech he blushes and says I was taking things a little too seriously at that moment.
Thats the funniest things Ive ever hard. Remember this: Pearl Jam WILL be a first time ballot inductee to HOF in 2016. Pearl Jam did more more for the state of music in 20 years than Deep Purple has done in four decades. And the stats prove it.
Is Nirvana in there?
Not eligible yet. Just being that guy.
Interesting. When are they eligible? And how would PJ be eligible in 2016?
I didn't even know that PJ was nominated, less that the Grammys even being on.
With it widely known that these award shows are industry politically motivated (as already mentioned), to make 5 pages out of this issue is giving the Grammys way too much merit. I applaud PJ for sticking to their old principles and not attending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CM ... re=related
Not to mention that art is subjective. Why would anyone let an award ceremony dictate who's better than everyone else? There is no ONE authority to say that one band is better than another. We're here because we think that PJ is the best. That should be enough.
Do people not like being recognized anymore? I don't think the artists who win are running around saying "I am the best pop male singer song writer ever!!!" Take it for what its worth it's a huge show people get entertained and then get drunk. I bet that when Ed looks back at his the old video of their acceptance speech he blushes and says I was taking things a little too seriously at that moment.
They did take it too seriously. It's not about being the best, or a competition. It's just about being recognized.. That said, I have no desire to watch the Grammies. I'm glad Arcade Fire won. They deserve the recognition. They should be heard of.
I didn't even know that PJ was nominated, less that the Grammys even being on.
With it widely known that these award shows are industry politically motivated (as already mentioned), to make 5 pages out of this issue is giving the Grammys way too much merit. I applaud PJ for sticking to their old principles and not attending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CM ... re=related
Not to mention that art is subjective. Why would anyone let an award ceremony dictate who's better than everyone else? There is no ONE authority to say that one band is better than another. We're here because we think that PJ is the best. That should be enough.
Do people not like being recognized anymore? I don't think the artists who win are running around saying "I am the best pop male singer song writer ever!!!" Take it for what its worth it's a huge show people get entertained and then get drunk. I bet that when Ed looks back at his the old video of their acceptance speech he blushes and says I was taking things a little too seriously at that moment.
I don't think they are sticking to any principles. I just think they are older and want to spend time with their familes.
I didn't even know that PJ was nominated, less that the Grammys even being on.
With it widely known that these award shows are industry politically motivated (as already mentioned), to make 5 pages out of this issue is giving the Grammys way too much merit. I applaud PJ for sticking to their old principles and not attending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CM ... re=related
Not to mention that art is subjective. Why would anyone let an award ceremony dictate who's better than everyone else? There is no ONE authority to say that one band is better than another. We're here because we think that PJ is the best. That should be enough.
Do people not like being recognized anymore? I don't think the artists who win are running around saying "I am the best pop male singer song writer ever!!!" Take it for what its worth it's a huge show people get entertained and then get drunk. I bet that when Ed looks back at his the old video of their acceptance speech he blushes and says I was taking things a little too seriously at that moment.
I don't think they are sticking to any principles. I just think they are older and want to spend time with their familes.
And how do you know that for sure? You don't, just as I could be wrong too. No one on here knows why PJ does anything.
Interesting. When are they eligible? And how would PJ be eligible in 2016?[/quote]
I think it's 25 years from your first album release, but I could be wrong. I remember reading Nirvana being eligible in 2014.
One thing to consider is how connected PJ/Eddie are with the HOF. As much as they probably pissed off the Grammy folk, they've really played nice with the HOF people over the years.
First ballot? Not sure. But they definitely stand a better chance of getting in the Hall over winning a Grammy anytime soon.
Interesting. When are they eligible? And how would PJ be eligible in 2016?
25 years from first release... Bleach was in '89, Ten in '91
Ah. Makes sense. Thanks for the info. Why did it take so long for Alice Cooper, Sabbath, Skynard and countless others to get in??
My opinion, if you look at the list of inductees, it never was truly 100% rock and roll. With that being the case, many artists, too few spots, and when you try to appease everyone's taste, a few get left out.
That has been going on since the 50's when there were 10 song writers in the entire United States for pop music. All pop music is over produced then always has always will be. You’re not breaking any new ground on the subject. A lot of people can't sing but they sure can write good so why not have a person with a great voice and being easy on the eyes sing your song to get it out to the masses. Producers are a big part of the music industry and some people will say without them music would be a little boring out there.
Never said I was. Always thought pop music and the grammys were crap and I realize many others before me have thought this as well.
[quote="JeanwahI don't think they are sticking to any principles. I just think they are older and want to spend time with their familes.[/quote]
And how do you know that for sure? You don't, just as I could be wrong too. No one on here knows why PJ does anything.[/quote]
Your right I don't but when I watched that video of the PJ’s acceptance speech I cringed. I grew up with them. I was young (in 92) and felt a lot like that the time. I was younger but when you get a little older you start to wise up some. That's why I love this band because I feel like I have grown with them through so many different feelings of angst and love and silliness and revolt and political matters and being afraid. Let me put it to you this way. Have you ever seen and old video of yourself like 10-15 years back and are just cringing at every second of it and saying to yourself I am a dumbass? Because looking back at it Ed didn't know what it meant but I am sure to another artist it means the world. So I remember him saying that and was like "HELLYEAH screw the establishment!!!" But when I just watched it again I said to myself Ed could of handled that better because to some other artist it means everything and he in so many ways just acted like it was nothing.
I doubt most of the attendees are "buying into this bullshit" - jesus christ what is the big deal about going to an award show and enjoying being appreciated? Can't people have fun anymore without being so elitist? If Eddie hadn't of knocked down the Grammy the band won in '93 and stop up there and truly appreciated it, you all would be singing a different song.
It's ok, I'm sure you all like a pop song out there. Just admit it. I love Pearl Jam but also enjoy pop music (Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Usher, Eminem, *GASP* even BIEBER!). Enough with the elitist "I can only like rock bands with meaningful lyrics that don't have catchy songs." Sure, "F*** You" by Cee Lo doesn't have poetic lyrics, but you gotta admit its a great song. Or not. Tell me how Pearl Jam and a slew of underground bands are the only good thing left in music, and the rest is garbage. Liking anything popular is sacrilegious.
Also, Muse totally deserved their Grammy over Backspacer. Hands down. I agree with the previous poster that said anyone who doesn't think Muse has good music has Pearl Jam blinders on.
Drop the Elitism and you will feel sooo freee!!
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So do I. In fact, I would like to ask that post to be my Valentine. I agree with it 100%. Hell, I even like Eminem.
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as far as pj showing up i bet they show up for their introduction to the RnR HoF and u cant have it both ways...
1996 was 15 years ago
+1 that's talent and dance better than Bieber/Usher... that's for sure... that's a Performance by a true artist, no lights and a lot of people dancing/jumping around
Outside Lands Festival - Aug 28, 2009
Key Arena - Sep 21, 2009
Viejas Arena - Oct 09, 2009
Shoreline Amphitheater - Oct 23, 2010
Shoreline Amphitheater - Oct 24, 2010
Oracle Arena Nov 26, 2013
Shoreline Amphitheater - Oct 26, 2014
Parque Simon Bolivar - Bogota, Colombia - Nov 25, 2015 - MY HOMETOWN!!!
Madison Square Garden - May 01, 2016
Madison Square Garden - May 02, 2016
Wrigley Field - Aug 20, 2016
Wrigley Field - Aug 22, 2016 - MY B-DAY!!!
They have a LONG ways to go before getting into the HOF. Rush and Deep Purple aren't even in there. I love PJ but really don't see them getting in at this point. It's been said many times....outside of this board they are barely relevant anymore. They sell tickets but a lot of people don't even know they are still making new music.
Besides...I wouldn't go to that shit either.
I'd be travelling, eating good food, drinking good wine, playing good music,
staying up late, and....NOT GOING TO WORK THE NEXT MORNING!!!
Who the hell wants to waste a perfectly good Sunday night ass kissing with a bunch of Hooray Henry's?
You'd hope Pearl Jam had better things to do than dick around with that crowd.
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I see what you are saying but they didn't win. I'm actually surprised they were even nominated.
(this reminds me of the quote: "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle?
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They lost
Not all, should've wrote most.
By "overproduced" I meant acts that don't write their own stuff and basically just have a producer formulate their sound for them. Of course bands have a producer work on their sound, but some pop stars are basically just the look and/or voice, not the one who is actually in charge of what direction the production takes.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Thats the funniest things Ive ever hard. Remember this: Pearl Jam WILL be a first time ballot inductee to HOF in 2016. Pearl Jam did more more for the state of music in 20 years than Deep Purple has done in four decades. And the stats prove it.
and as far as PJ not being relevant anymore---
"(Backspacer) The album has racked up 4,777,744 scrobbles so far on Last.fm, impressively making it the band’s second most popular album behind the debut 1991 release Ten (which has a huge 13,263,775 scrobbles)."
Come again?
With it widely known that these award shows are industry politically motivated (as already mentioned), to make 5 pages out of this issue is giving the Grammys way too much merit. I applaud PJ for sticking to their old principles and not attending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CM ... re=related
Not to mention that art is subjective. Why would anyone let an award ceremony dictate who's better than everyone else? There is no ONE authority to say that one band is better than another. We're here because we think that PJ is the best. That should be enough.
That has been going on since the 50's when there were 10 song writers in the entire United States for pop music. All pop music is over produced then always has always will be. You’re not breaking any new ground on the subject. A lot of people can't sing but they sure can write good so why not have a person with a great voice and being easy on the eyes sing your song to get it out to the masses. Producers are a big part of the music industry and some people will say without them music would be a little boring out there.
I will take that bet any day of the week. You need to take your blinders off and look at the facts. Ever been to a guitar store and not heard someone playing Smoke on the Water? Maybe they weren't a great example but Rush...come one. I can't stand them but they should be in there. Is Iron Maiden in there? Is Nirvana in there? No and no. Alice Cooper JUST got in finally. Sabbath and Skynard didn't get in until 2006. If those bands aren't in there and the others took so long to get in there, Pearl Jam won't be in 5 years or probably even 10 years.
Honestly, what has Pearl Jam done in the past 10-15 years that would qualify them for the HOF? They can't even sell out shows in the South and Midwest. They put on awesome live shows but it takes more than that to be in the HOF. When people are Tweeting "I didn't even know they were still around"....
Pearl Jam has about 20,000 fans, and if this board is any indication, I'm pretty sure they all stop their lives to go on tour with the band.
I believe it was Norah Jones, Keith Urban and John Mayers. Great acknowledgment.
Lady Gaga's alleged, memorable performance, was bland.
Just a lot of awful stuff. Cee-Lo's performance was great. He upstaged Gaga and you can never go wrong with Muppets. Have no idea why Paltrow was along for the ride though.
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
Do people not like being recognized anymore? I don't think the artists who win are running around saying "I am the best pop male singer song writer ever!!!" Take it for what its worth it's a huge show people get entertained and then get drunk. I bet that when Ed looks back at his the old video of their acceptance speech he blushes and says I was taking things a little too seriously at that moment.
Interesting. When are they eligible? And how would PJ be eligible in 2016?
They did take it too seriously. It's not about being the best, or a competition. It's just about being recognized.. That said, I have no desire to watch the Grammies. I'm glad Arcade Fire won. They deserve the recognition. They should be heard of.
I don't think they are sticking to any principles. I just think they are older and want to spend time with their familes.
25 years from first release... Bleach was in '89, Ten in '91
Ah. Makes sense. Thanks for the info. Why did it take so long for Alice Cooper, Sabbath, Skynard and countless others to get in??
And for argument's sake, Rush was '74 and Muse was '98
I think it's 25 years from your first album release, but I could be wrong. I remember reading Nirvana being eligible in 2014.
One thing to consider is how connected PJ/Eddie are with the HOF. As much as they probably pissed off the Grammy folk, they've really played nice with the HOF people over the years.
First ballot? Not sure. But they definitely stand a better chance of getting in the Hall over winning a Grammy anytime soon.
My opinion, if you look at the list of inductees, it never was truly 100% rock and roll. With that being the case, many artists, too few spots, and when you try to appease everyone's taste, a few get left out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees
Never said I was. Always thought pop music and the grammys were crap and I realize many others before me have thought this as well.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
And how do you know that for sure? You don't, just as I could be wrong too. No one on here knows why PJ does anything.[/quote]
Your right I don't but when I watched that video of the PJ’s acceptance speech I cringed. I grew up with them. I was young (in 92) and felt a lot like that the time. I was younger but when you get a little older you start to wise up some. That's why I love this band because I feel like I have grown with them through so many different feelings of angst and love and silliness and revolt and political matters and being afraid. Let me put it to you this way. Have you ever seen and old video of yourself like 10-15 years back and are just cringing at every second of it and saying to yourself I am a dumbass? Because looking back at it Ed didn't know what it meant but I am sure to another artist it means the world. So I remember him saying that and was like "HELLYEAH screw the establishment!!!" But when I just watched it again I said to myself Ed could of handled that better because to some other artist it means everything and he in so many ways just acted like it was nothing.
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