There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens.
It doesn't "only benefit illegal immigrants." It makes them eligible for a program that they were previously prevented from benefitting from. And the cost is $27MM. Again, in Wilbur Ross' parlance, a drop in the bucket to NY State's GDP. With a healthy ROI.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Also not true. I responded to your first part before reading the whole thing. Graduates now are still paying off debt well into their 30s and even 40s. We are setting college grads up for failure. We make them believe they need a 4 year college education, and even a cheap option is going to cost 100k. There is nothing shortsighted about it. We are setting our kids up for failure by putting the into so much debt to get through college. And yes some can argue they take out too much and their parents should have saved and so on. But the reality is the average family can't afford to save 100k per child to cover the cost of college, and even an in-state school will run 100k after 4 years. Seriously, would you be okay with sending lower-income families up to Canada to have your taxes pay for their education if your cost of education was as high?
And that is why the left is constantly talking about helping EVERYONE pay for a college education. This isn't an all or nothing thing. I do not understand the viewpoint of "don't help them at all until these others are completely taken care of." More than one thing can be done at one time... You should definitely vote Democrat in the next election if you're this concerned about tuition rates btw.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And that is why the left is constantly talking about helping EVERYONE pay for a college education. This isn't an all or nothing thing. I do not understand the viewpoint of "don't help them at all until these others are completely taken care of." More than one thing can be done at one time... You should definitely vote Democrat in the next election if you're this concerned about tuition rates btw.
Bravo ! But you know the thinking of the people who opposse immigration from Central America and just Central America , the same folks here who are allways oppossing immigrants from Central America don't blink an eye about all the immigrants that fly here on visas from Europe ...
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Also not true. I responded to your first part before reading the whole thing. Graduates now are still paying off debt well into their 30s and even 40s. We are setting college grads up for failure. We make them believe they need a 4 year college education, and even a cheap option is going to cost 100k. There is nothing shortsighted about it. We are setting our kids up for failure by putting the into so much debt to get through college. And yes some can argue they take out too much and their parents should have saved and so on. But the reality is the average family can't afford to save 100k per child to cover the cost of college, and even an in-state school will run 100k after 4 years. Seriously, would you be okay with sending lower-income families up to Canada to have your taxes pay for their education if your cost of education was as high?
Nobody is holding a gun to their heads, Mace. Who is this "we" you speak of, when you discuss we're setting college grads up for failure? Studies and unemployment levels by education level routinely show that college education has benefits for long term quality of life. Is it a guarantee to a rich and prosperous life? no. But if you go massively into debt for a philosophy degree and then return to live in the small town in the middle of nowhere to be a philosopher where there is no market for a philosopher, that's on you.
NY State in-state tuition and fees in a NY State college or university averages approximately $6,300 per year. Four years is $25,200. Have a kid and put $100 a month in the stock market for 18 years and you get $21,600, without compounding ROI. Add work study, scholarships and working and saving while in high school, and you don't have to go thousands in debt. There are also community colleges for two year programs and transferring to a 4 year school that can reduce the outlay. There is a level of personal responsibility when it comes to college education and how you pay for it, as well as a realistic view of the cost-benefit analysis.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
No shit where do you think the $ is coming from? Is Mexico going to pay for it after they build the wall?
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
No shit where do you think the $ is coming from? Is Mexico going to pay for it after they build the wall?
Well, there is Team Trump Treason requesting $5.6BB for his stupid wall that would be so much better spent for college tuition.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Been a few months. How's everyone holding up with the invasion?
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,242
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
How did you feel about the tax bill last year adding 2 trillion to the deficit?
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
Invest in people who are here legally, plain and simple. I don’t care if you are red, orange, yellow, green, blue or purple, Just be in the us legally. Do you reward illegal immigrants college education in Canada? in nj, our way too progressive governor wants to give illegal immigrants a drivers license but yet i have to show four different forms of id to get my license renewed. You are here illegally, no you should not get a license. And no Jose I m not against anybody from central or South America because illegal is not a race. I wonder if I illegally moved to Canada or Australia, could i get a valid drivers license? Would my kids get money for college?
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
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My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.
You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.
You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.
But you’re going to eventually pay one way or the other anyway. Why not pay for the investment that gives you the greatest return on investment? My state has made community college free for all residents and we’re not drowning in debt or having our taxes raised through the roof.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.
You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.
But you’re going to eventually pay one way or the other anyway. Why not pay for the investment that gives you the greatest return on investment? My state has made community college free for all residents and we’re not drowning in debt or having our taxes raised through the roof.
What’s my weird conclusion?
He mentioned his "way too progressive governor" earlier and left out that under the previous gov for the last 8 years, Chris Christie, taxes in NJ went up about 2%.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.
You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.
But you’re going to eventually pay one way or the other anyway. Why not pay for the investment that gives you the greatest return on investment? My state has made community college free for all residents and we’re not drowning in debt or having our taxes raised through the roof.
What’s my weird conclusion?
He mentioned his "way too progressive governor" earlier and left out that under the previous gov for the last 8 years, Chris Christie, taxes in NJ went up about 2%.
Sorry I didn’t give the history of raising taxes in New Jersey lol.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
Invest in people who are here legally, plain and simple. I don’t care if you are red, orange, yellow, green, blue or purple, Just be in the us legally. Do you reward illegal immigrants college education in Canada? in nj, our way too progressive governor wants to give illegal immigrants a drivers license but yet i have to show four different forms of id to get my license renewed. You are here illegally, no you should not get a license. And no Jose I m not against anybody from central or South America because illegal is not a race. I wonder if I illegally moved to Canada or Australia, could i get a valid drivers license? Would my kids get money for college?
We do not give student loans or health care to illegal immigrants in Ontario, nor should we. Our services are stretched to max at times.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
You pay 10 K in property taxes. Wow. Do they cut your grass and shovel your driveway for that. You could live 400-500 thousand home where I am at before our greedy government taxes at that rate.
There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
They sort of are. Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt. Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.
Zero
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.
You pay 10 K in property taxes. Wow. Do they cut your grass and shovel your driveway for that. You could live 400-500 thousand home where I am at before our greedy government taxes at that rate.
In general, property taxes are much higher in the US than in Canada. From what I've seen $10,000 isn't out of the ordinary. Property taxes fund education, I'm told.
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I live in an area of Canada that is some of the cheapest real estates, if you have a decent job, you can easily afford a nice home. So when I say 1/2 million dollars home, that is way above average home, may even be able to buy on the lake the lake.
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Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
It doesn't "only benefit illegal immigrants." It makes them eligible for a program that they were previously prevented from benefitting from. And the cost is $27MM. Again, in Wilbur Ross' parlance, a drop in the bucket to NY State's GDP. With a healthy ROI.
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I responded to your first part before reading the whole thing.
Graduates now are still paying off debt well into their 30s and even 40s. We are setting college grads up for failure. We make them believe they need a 4 year college education, and even a cheap option is going to cost 100k. There is nothing shortsighted about it. We are setting our kids up for failure by putting the into so much debt to get through college.
And yes some can argue they take out too much and their parents should have saved and so on. But the reality is the average family can't afford to save 100k per child to cover the cost of college, and even an in-state school will run 100k after 4 years.
Seriously, would you be okay with sending lower-income families up to Canada to have your taxes pay for their education if your cost of education was as high?
Nobody is holding a gun to their heads, Mace. Who is this "we" you speak of, when you discuss we're setting college grads up for failure? Studies and unemployment levels by education level routinely show that college education has benefits for long term quality of life. Is it a guarantee to a rich and prosperous life? no. But if you go massively into debt for a philosophy degree and then return to live in the small town in the middle of nowhere to be a philosopher where there is no market for a philosopher, that's on you.
NY State in-state tuition and fees in a NY State college or university averages approximately $6,300 per year. Four years is $25,200. Have a kid and put $100 a month in the stock market for 18 years and you get $21,600, without compounding ROI. Add work study, scholarships and working and saving while in high school, and you don't have to go thousands in debt. There are also community colleges for two year programs and transferring to a 4 year school that can reduce the outlay. There is a level of personal responsibility when it comes to college education and how you pay for it, as well as a realistic view of the cost-benefit analysis.
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Well, there is Team Trump Treason requesting $5.6BB for his stupid wall that would be so much better spent for college tuition.
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Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
in nj, our way too progressive governor wants to give illegal immigrants a drivers license but yet i have to show four different forms of id to get my license renewed. You are here illegally, no you should not get a license.
And no Jose I m not against anybody from central or South America because illegal is not a race.
I wonder if I illegally moved to Canada or Australia, could
i get a valid drivers license? Would my kids get money for college?
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What’s my weird conclusion?
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In general, property taxes are much higher in the US than in Canada. From what I've seen $10,000 isn't out of the ordinary. Property taxes fund education, I'm told.