MLB 2019 Season

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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,669
    Moneyball at its finest.
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,549
    I saw a post on twitter last night from a guy I follow who digs up crazy stats.  The premise was the player with the most career home runs without hitting __ in a season.

    50 - Hank Aaaron (755, career high 47)
    40 - Eddie Murray (504, career high 33)
    30 - Al Kaline (399, career high 29)
    20 - Ron Fairly (215, career high 19)
    10 - Brad Ausmus (80, career high 9)

    I saw someone commented on the Aaron stat about how it was amazing because he was so consistent.  And it made me wonder why no one ever says the same thing about Barry Bonds.  People automatically just dismiss Bonds and roll with the "but juice" excuse.  Bonds wasn't jacking 50-60 HR a year.  Aside from the ONE season he hit 73, his career high was 49 and he only did that once.  In a 22 year career, Bonds only eclipsed 40 HR in a season 8 times.  But no one ever talks about his consistency like they do Aaron's.  It's always "but juice."  It's a damn shame he isn't a unanimous Hall of Famer.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,941
    Poncier said:
    Moneyball at its finest.
    The A's play moneyball the best.  It appears the Yanks are following suit.

    I have said before that the Yanks are relying heavily on analytics now and the reason for their manager now is because he is on that same train.

    If you rely on WAR though Machado is below superstar numbers.  All-star caliber numbers or better is a 4.0 and higher.  He has been below the last 2 years.

    Take that for what it is worth but I'd like to have him on my team.

    Same goes for Harper.  He was a 10 WAR his MVP year and has only maintained a 3 WAR since then.

    If you take WAR as a good indicator then both guys are trending down.

    Just an example if WAR isn't your thing, Trout is regarded as the best baseball player every year.  His WAR has never been below 6.7 and has had it at 10.5 3 times already.

    Another example is Mookie Betts.  Dude was lights out last year.  His WAR was 10.9.  That's insane...


  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 28,754
    Poncier said:
    Moneyball at its finest.
    The A's play moneyball the best.  It appears the Yanks are following suit.

    I have said before that the Yanks are relying heavily on analytics now and the reason for their manager now is because he is on that same train.

    If you rely on WAR though Machado is below superstar numbers.  All-star caliber numbers or better is a 4.0 and higher.  He has been below the last 2 years.

    Take that for what it is worth but I'd like to have him on my team.

    Same goes for Harper.  He was a 10 WAR his MVP year and has only maintained a 3 WAR since then.

    If you take WAR as a good indicator then both guys are trending down.

    Just an example if WAR isn't your thing, Trout is regarded as the best baseball player every year.  His WAR has never been below 6.7 and has had it at 10.5 3 times already.

    Another example is Mookie Betts.  Dude was lights out last year.  His WAR was 10.9.  That's insane...


    Manny had 1 bad year in the last 4.  Everything else was around 6, depending on which one you use.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,941
    Poncier said:
    Moneyball at its finest.
    The A's play moneyball the best.  It appears the Yanks are following suit.

    I have said before that the Yanks are relying heavily on analytics now and the reason for their manager now is because he is on that same train.

    If you rely on WAR though Machado is below superstar numbers.  All-star caliber numbers or better is a 4.0 and higher.  He has been below the last 2 years.

    Take that for what it is worth but I'd like to have him on my team.

    Same goes for Harper.  He was a 10 WAR his MVP year and has only maintained a 3 WAR since then.

    If you take WAR as a good indicator then both guys are trending down.

    Just an example if WAR isn't your thing, Trout is regarded as the best baseball player every year.  His WAR has never been below 6.7 and has had it at 10.5 3 times already.

    Another example is Mookie Betts.  Dude was lights out last year.  His WAR was 10.9.  That's insane...


    Manny had 1 bad year in the last 4.  Everything else was around 6, depending on which one you use.
    just saw that.  his war adds up to a 5.7 for last year.  Again, I said I would take him in a heart beat.  I figured that was the rationale thinking from the Yanks but now I'm not sure what it is?!?

    Harper though I still wonder about him.  Not sure if the shift is killing his average or he is just falling off?
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,669
    Poncier said:
    Moneyball at its finest.
    The A's play moneyball the best.  It appears the Yanks are following suit.




    So the Yanks are looking for a long sustained period of zero championships like the A's have had, I like it.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,941
    Poncier said:
    Poncier said:
    Moneyball at its finest.
    The A's play moneyball the best.  It appears the Yanks are following suit.




    So the Yanks are looking for a long sustained period of zero championships like the A's have had, I like it.
    Moneyball and analytics are 100% part of the game.  That is never going away now.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,669
    Oh analytics are a fine tool, until you allow them to persuade you to use an "opener" in a single elimination wild card game cause your Moneyball philosophy has left you without a capable starting pitcher entering the post season.
    Can't go all in on these things, have to have a blend.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,941
    Poncier said:
    Oh analytics are a fine tool, until you allow them to persuade you to use an "opener" in a single elimination wild card game cause your Moneyball philosophy has left you without a capable starting pitcher entering the post season.
    Can't go all in on these things, have to have a blend.
    Agreed.

    I have always had an idea though of using a different pitcher every inning like an all-star game.  My family thought I was nuts.  I watch the playoffs now and say "nuts huh?"
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,549
    I like analytics as a scouting tool, an element of contract signings/negotiations, and as a single element of in-game decision making.  They are a great part of the game for those purposes. I don't like when managers rely solely on analytics as the end all, be all of in-game moves.  At that point, why even have a manager? Just put a computer in the dugout and do whatever it says if you're just going to follow analytics for every single move.
    I absolutely despise when people use analytics (namely WAR & all it's different subtypes r/f/d/oWAR etc) as the reason/defense of why a player should or shouldn't get an award, HOF vote, etc.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,941
    I like analytics as a scouting tool, an element of contract signings/negotiations, and as a single element of in-game decision making.  They are a great part of the game for those purposes. I don't like when managers rely solely on analytics as the end all, be all of in-game moves.  At that point, why even have a manager? Just put a computer in the dugout and do whatever it says if you're just going to follow analytics for every single move.
    I absolutely despise when people use analytics (namely WAR & all it's different subtypes r/f/d/oWAR etc) as the reason/defense of why a player should or shouldn't get an award, HOF vote, etc.
    WAR should never determine an award, ever.

    I do use it as a tool to show what a person means to a team though.

    Look at Betts.  I knew he was a beast all year and never looked at his WAR because I knew he was killing it.  At the end of the year when he won the MVP though you knew why with his numbers alone and didn't need to look at his WAR to know it.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,549
    I like analytics as a scouting tool, an element of contract signings/negotiations, and as a single element of in-game decision making.  They are a great part of the game for those purposes. I don't like when managers rely solely on analytics as the end all, be all of in-game moves.  At that point, why even have a manager? Just put a computer in the dugout and do whatever it says if you're just going to follow analytics for every single move.
    I absolutely despise when people use analytics (namely WAR & all it's different subtypes r/f/d/oWAR etc) as the reason/defense of why a player should or shouldn't get an award, HOF vote, etc.
    WAR should never determine an award, ever.

    I do use it as a tool to show what a person means to a team though.

    Look at Betts.  I knew he was a beast all year and never looked at his WAR because I knew he was killing it.  At the end of the year when he won the MVP though you knew why with his numbers alone and didn't need to look at his WAR to know it.
    My thoughts exactly!
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,116


    I saw someone commented on the Aaron stat about how it was amazing because he was so consistent.  And it made me wonder why no one ever says the same thing about Barry Bonds.  People automatically just dismiss Bonds and roll with the "but juice" excuse.  Bonds wasn't jacking 50-60 HR a year.  Aside from the ONE season he hit 73, his career high was 49 and he only did that once.  In a 22 year career, Bonds only eclipsed 40 HR in a season 8 times.  But no one ever talks about his consistency like they do Aaron's.  It's always "but juice."  It's a damn shame he isn't a unanimous Hall of Famer.

    Bonds might STILL be playing if he hadn’t been such an asshole. Pretty sure he would have gotten to 800 HR in one or two more years. OBP was .480 in his final year.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,669
    Yeah, he'd be playing at age 54. :rofl:
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,941
    Wobbie said:


    I saw someone commented on the Aaron stat about how it was amazing because he was so consistent.  And it made me wonder why no one ever says the same thing about Barry Bonds.  People automatically just dismiss Bonds and roll with the "but juice" excuse.  Bonds wasn't jacking 50-60 HR a year.  Aside from the ONE season he hit 73, his career high was 49 and he only did that once.  In a 22 year career, Bonds only eclipsed 40 HR in a season 8 times.  But no one ever talks about his consistency like they do Aaron's.  It's always "but juice."  It's a damn shame he isn't a unanimous Hall of Famer.

    Bonds might STILL be playing if he hadn’t been such an asshole. Pretty sure he would have gotten to 800 HR in one or two more years. OBP was .480 in his final year.
    Walked 200 times with almost 200 hits, hell yeah!
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,116
    Poncier said:
    Yeah, he'd be playing at age 54. :rofl:

    I wouldn’t put it past the guy.....at least as a DH.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,473

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,116
    these MLB’ers bitchin because Bryce and manny can’t get a $300m contact....STFU
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    Vancouver 11
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    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,941
    igotid88 said:

    Glad to see Clemens and Bonds getting some love.

    Sad to see Rivera getting 100% when Griffey Jr, Cal Jr, Maddux not getting it...
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,116
    well, jr. may have juiced, cal extended a streak for his own devices and maddux... well, maddux, I hate the dude but he’s a HOFer
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    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,549
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,870
    Schilling ahead of Clemens & Bonds. I think we need to drug test the writers.
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 30,859
    igotid88 said:

    find out tomorrow who gets in
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 16,469
    Love that the Reds are active, love the idea of getting Gray, not sure what their strategy is overall and am interested to see how it plays out . 
    If their division wasn't so tough I think they could contend.  Will take top seasons from their SPs to allow for that, but pretty much anything is better than sucking.  Glad for the guys who suffered through the last few years that they can be competitive again for a bit.
    (And signing Harper would be ok.  :lol: )
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,473
    Edgar Martinez, Roy Halladay, Mike Mussina, and Mariano Rivera
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,473
    Mariano 100%
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 30,859
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    Congrats! Well deserved as are the others.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,116
    Bonds - career WAR 163

    Martinez 68, while playing half the game.
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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,566
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 28,754
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
    Halladay was clearly more dominant, but there is something to be said for the longevity and numbers Moose put up.  Halladay was clearly more dominant in his prime, but if Halladay had to play another 120 games, he wouldn't have Mussina's numbers.   I think they are both extremely borderline but not sure how you can pick one over the other.  It's a good argument.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mussimi01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml


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