"Remember the Ladies..."

meme
meme Posts: 4,695
edited October 2012 in The Porch
“Remember the ladies…”

With these words Abigail Adams wrote to her husband, John Adams, demanding that the rights of women be taken into consideration in the drafting of the laws of the country that was being built.

These same words I write today to my favorite band to tell them I am heartbroken at the sight of them playing along to a song they have obviously rehearsed and whose lyrics I assume they have therefore heard over and over again.

Why am I heartbroken? Because these are the people who have written songs like Daughter, like Small Town, like Breakerfall. Songs that meandered the hearts of females with phenomenal insight. Because these are people who put so much thought into every little act, and regard as political all actions they take and words they speak. I still remember hearing Insignificance in Berlin, and thinking it was utterly deliberate that Ed would say those words to that audience.

When news of the Made in America Festival broke, I was one of those actually excited at the opportunity to bring together two music worlds and indeed, two traditionally different audiences. I even used the label ‘racist’ for someone whose distaste for the event seemed a little two visceral.

But I draw the line at them playing along to 99 problems. I draw a line at a song that unequivocally equates at the very beginning the words “girl” and the word “bitch”. As in: “all girls are bitches. Same thing.”

I am told Ed used the word in a song before. I may have used it myself, and that’s unfortunate. Yet, like Ed, I may have used it addressing someone specific behaving in obnoxious ways. That’s different to me. Same goes for the mosquito bites incident.

I am told 99 problems is actually about racial profiling, that it is exactly the same as WMA. With all due respect, no it ain’t the same. WMA is about racial profiling and not about sexual profiling. There is legitimate doubt that 99 problems is about racial profiling, but none whatsoever that it is about sexual profiling.

I discuss DuBois with my Columbia sophomores, and I am always appalled at the stories of profiling my dark skinned students share (American and not American). These stories come from men AND women. Yet JZ’s song, by addressing (all) women with a derogatory term, chooses to speak only for discriminated males. That’s his prerogative. But never, ever, ever, have I perceived Pearl Jam as interested in this kind of business. As I said above, if anything, the opposite.

I have raised my son with Pearl Jam in the background, and taken the opportunity to talk about “bad words” and difficult issues in an age appropriate way as they were coming up in the bootlegs we were listening to. 99 problems would be a really tough one to explain, and I pray JZ won’t be a surprise guest to sing it at a future NYC performance to which my son might come along.

Really, I would lighten up if this were not bothering me so much.

And if this were a band who “lit up” when confronted with Ticketmaster, a murderous president, and the onslaught on women rights. Like them, I think principles are important and they are nothing unless someone lives by them.

Some philosophers distinguish between “exit” and “voice” as the option one has when confronted with something they don’t approve of. “Exit” would be yielding to those who’d recommend “just stop listening,” “don’t renew your membership, I can’t wait to get your seat at the next show,” “They don’t owe you any explanation.” Voice is, I think, what I just did and something we all should do in an election year.

And sorry if all this sounded… well, bitchy.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
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  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    You sound like my grandad :roll:

    It has nothing to do with women. He is quoting another song in that line (which is mysoginistic) but its the line that came into his head when he saw the k9 truck pass
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    satansbed wrote:
    You sound like my grandad :roll:

    It has nothing to do with women. He is quoting another song in that line (which is mysoginistic) but its the line that came into his head when he saw the k9 truck pass

    I don't get it. How can it have nothing to do with women? It's as if someone said "nigger" and pretended it had nothing to do with race.

    And... grandmom, thanks.
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,829
    Meme, your use of the word 'ain't' offends me.
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Meme, your use of the word 'ain't' offends me.


    :lol:
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    One less ticket when Pearl Jam plays the Barclay's center. Nice.
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    meme wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    You sound like my grandad :roll:

    It has nothing to do with women. He is quoting another song in that line (which is mysoginistic) but its the line that came into his head when he saw the k9 truck pass

    I don't get it. How can it have nothing to do with women? It's as if someone said "nigger" and pretended it had nothing to do with race.

    And... grandmom, thanks.

    Nah my grandmother would be much too cool to care
  • meme wrote:
    “Remember the ladies…”

    With these words Abigail Adams wrote to her husband, John Adams, demanding that the rights of women be taken into consideration in the drafting of the laws of the country that was being built.

    These same words I write today to my favorite band to tell them I am heartbroken at the sight of them playing along to a song they have obviously rehearsed and whose lyrics I assume they have therefore heard over and over again.

    Why am I heartbroken? Because these are the people who have written songs like Daughter, like Small Town, like Breakerfall. Songs that meandered the hearts of females with phenomenal insight. Because these are people who put so much thought into every little act, and regard as political all actions they take and words they speak. I still remember hearing Insignificance in Berlin, and thinking it was utterly deliberate that Ed would say those words to that audience.

    When news of the Made in America Festival broke, I was one of those actually excited at the opportunity to bring together two music worlds and indeed, two traditionally different audiences. I even used the label ‘racist’ for someone whose distaste for the event seemed a little two visceral.

    But I draw the line at them playing along to 99 problems. I draw a line at a song that unequivocally equates at the very beginning the words “girl” and the word “bitch”. As in: “all girls are bitches. Same thing.”

    I am told Ed used the word in a song before. I may have used it myself, and that’s unfortunate. Yet, like Ed, I may have used it addressing someone specific behaving in obnoxious ways. That’s different to me. Same goes for the mosquito bites incident.

    I am told 99 problems is actually about racial profiling, that it is exactly the same as WMA. With all due respect, no it ain’t the same. WMA is about racial profiling and not about sexual profiling. There is legitimate doubt that 99 problems is about racial profiling, but none whatsoever that it is about sexual profiling.

    I discuss DuBois with my Columbia sophomores, and I am always appalled at the stories of profiling my dark skinned students share (American and not American). These stories come from men AND women. Yet JZ’s song, by addressing (all) women with a derogatory term, chooses to speak only for discriminated males. That’s his prerogative. But never, ever, ever, have I perceived Pearl Jam as interested in this kind of business. As I said above, if anything, the opposite.

    I have raised my son with Pearl Jam in the background, and taken the opportunity to talk about “bad words” and difficult issues in an age appropriate way as they were coming up in the bootlegs we were listening to. 99 problems would be a really tough one to explain, and I pray JZ won’t be a surprise guest to sing it at a future NYC performance to which my son might come along.

    Really, I would lighten up if this were not bothering me so much.

    And if this were a band who “lit up” when confronted with Ticketmaster, a murderous president, and the onslaught on women rights. Like them, I think principles are important and they are nothing unless someone lives by them.

    Some philosophers distinguish between “exit” and “voice” as the option one has when confronted with something they don’t approve of. “Exit” would be yielding to those who’d recommend “just stop listening,” “don’t renew your membership, I can’t wait to get your seat at the next show,” “They don’t owe you any explanation.” Voice is, I think, what I just did and something we all should do in an election year.

    And sorry if all this sounded… well, bitchy.

    Heartbroken? HEARTBROKEN????
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  • Daron Oshay
    Daron Oshay Middletown, NJ Posts: 2,616
    Bye
  • i was singing today a rythm....

    and stack with this..

    and realise that was Tina Turner - im a private dancer...

    i dont think i want to be a stripper cos i sing it music....is a song..it doesnt change my life..

    i stop singing,happened once/(i hope.. :lol: )

    i understand you are sensitive about women and their rights,all of us sould be,but in songs and art in general,there are alot of overeacting things..
    im sure that rapper dont talk to his wife ,his mother,or his sister like that..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Some people take life waaaaay to seriously. Are you seriously offended enough to write out all the drivel?

    As a HUGE fan of stand up comedy I simply don't understand how people get in the position of being "offended"....it's nonsense.
  • :corn:
  • green_girl
    green_girl Posts: 931
    edited September 2012
    Bye



    LOL.

    Ed also used the c-word in a song/rant in the early 90s...and I think it became a holiday single! I've never heard a rap song with the c-word in it -- one of the worrrrssst words ever uttered or written, IMO.
    Ani DiFranco has used the b-word and the c-word... Not a fan of hers, I'm just sayin' you can't blame rap for everything.
    Post edited by green_girl on
  • Unless you wrote "WMA" or "99 Problems," I don't think you're qualified to offer the meaning behind either of these songs, regardless of how big a fan you are of PJ. I'm sure you've heard/read plenty about "WMA," and drawn your generalizations from "99 Problems," but were you there when the band wrote and recorded it, and every time they've played it since?

    Songs can change over time, just like Bruce Springsteen's "My City Of Ruins," was once about Asbury Park's economic demise in the 1980's and 90's, but is now also relative to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, and other areas of the country with different hardships. And that's just one example of fans thinking they know the true meaning behind a song, when really, no one dictates that but the artists themselves. The rest is just our interpretation of it.

    I'm glad the band doesn't care what people think enough to take artistic risks and do what they want to do after all these years, including performances like Sunday night. If they listened to everyone with an opinion: yours, mine, or anyone else's on this board included, they probably would have stopped playing a long time ago.
    "I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love."

    Continental Arena I - 6/1/2006
    MSG II - 6/25/2008
    MSG I - 5/20/2010
    Beacon Theatre - 6/21/2011 (EV)
    Made In America Philadelphia - 9/2/2012
    Buffalo -10/12/2013
    Hartford - 10/25/2013
    Philadelphia II - 4/29/2016 (TEN show)
    MSG II - 5/2/2016
    Fenway II Boston - 8/7/2016
    Rock & Roll HOF - 4/7/2017
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    MSG - 9/11/2022
    Camden - 9/14/2022
  • They performed a song...
    With offensive lyrics...
    It lasted 3.5 minutes...



    Go on with your lives people..
    Quit taking this nonsense so seriously....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....

  • I'm glad the band doesn't care what people think enough to take artistic risks and do what they want to do after all these years, including performances like Sunday night. If they listened to everyone with an opinion: yours, mine, or anyone else's on this board included, they probably would have stopped playing a long time ago.
    i agree 100%
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • They performed a song...
    With offensive lyrics...
    It lasted 3.5 minutes...



    Go on with your lives people..
    Quit taking this nonsense so seriously....

    Offensive... :lol:

    As I've said before... this song is tame :lol:
  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    Bitch, please.

    :roll:
    81 is now off the air

    Off_Air.jpg
  • 81 wrote:
    Bitch, please.

    :roll:
    Fo sheezy mah neezy!!!!!
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    81 wrote:
    Bitch, please.

    :roll:
    Fo sheezy mah neezy!!!!!

    eazzy peazy, just like weazzy.

    oh snap, crackle and pop
    81 is now off the air

    Off_Air.jpg
  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    I'm like fuck critics you can kiss my whole asshole
    If you don't like my lyrics you can press fast forward