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On the site where the Vatican now stands there once stood a pagan temple. Here pagan priests observed sacred ceremonies, which early Christians found so disturbing that they tried to erase all evidence of them ever having been practiced. What were these shocking Pagan rites?
Where today the gathered faithful revere their Lord Jesus Christ, the ancients worshipped another Godman who, like Jesus, had been miraculously born on December 25th before three shepherds. In this ancient sanctuary Pagan congregations once glorified a Pagan redeemer who, like Jesus, was said to have ascended to heaven and to have promised to come again at the end of time to judge the quick and the dead. On the same spot where the Pope celebrates the Catholic mass, Pagan priests also celebrated a symbolic meal of bread and wine in memory of their saviour who, just like Jesus, had declared: 'He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation'.
The Pagan Mysteries inspired the greatest minds of the Ancient World.
They were practiced in different forms by nearly every culture in the Mediterranean.
The Egyptian myth of Osiris is the primal myth of the Pagan Mystery religions and reaches back to prehistory. His story can be found in Pyramid texts written over 4,500 years ago.
At the heart of the Mysteries was the myth of a dying and resurrecting Godman - In Egypt he was Osiris, in Greece Dionysus, In Asia Minor Attis, in Syria Adonis, in Italy Bacchus, in Persia Mithras. Fundamentally all these Godmen are the same mythical being.
Jesus is the saviour of mankind, God made man, the son of God equal with the Father - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus is born of a mortal virgin who after her death ascends to heaven and is honored as a divine being - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus is born in a cave on December 25th or January 6th, as is Osisris-Dionysus.
The birth of Jesus is prophesied by a star - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus is visited by the Magi, who are followers of Osiris-Dionysus.
The Magi bring Jesus gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh, which a sixth century BC Pagan tells us is the way to worship God.
Jesus turns water into wine at a marriage on the same day that Osiris-Dionysus was previously believed to have turned water into wine at a marriage.
Jesus is surrounded by 12 disciples - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus rides triumphantly into town on a donkey while crowds wave branches, as does Osiris-Dinoysus.
Jesus is hung on a tree or crucified, as is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus dies as a sacrifice to redeem the sins of the world - so does Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus' corpse is wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrh, as is the corpse of Osiris-Dionysus.
After his death Jesus descends to hell, then on the third day resurrects before his disciples and ascends into heaven, where he is enthroned by God and waits to reappear at the end of time as a divine judge, as does Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus was said to have died and resurrected on exactly the same dates that the death and resurrection of Osiris-Dionysus were celebrated.
Jesus' empty tomb is visited by three women followers - Osiris-Dionysus also has three women followers who visit an empty cave.
Evidence for a historical Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels:
A few mentions of 'Christians' and followers of someone called Crestus among all the the extensive histories of the Romans.
Some fake passages in Josephus among all the substantial histories of the Jews.
A handful of passages from among the vast literature of the Talmud, which tell us that a man called Yeshu existed and had five disciples called Mattai, Nakkia, Netzer, Buni, and Todah.
Four anonymous gospels that do not even agree on the facts of Jesus' birth and death.
A gospel attributed to Mark written somwhere between 70 and 135 AD which is not even meant to be an eyewitness account and certainly isn't judging from it's ignorance of Palestinian geography and the fact that it misquotes Hebrew scripture.
Gospels attributed to Matthew and Luke, which are independently based on Mark and give us entirely contradictory genealogies.
A gospel attributed to John, which was written some time after the other three and certainly not by the disciple John.
The names of 12 disciples for whom there is no historical evidence.
The Acts of The Apostles, which reads like a fantasy novel, misquotes the Hebrew Old Testament, contradicts Paul's letters, and was not written until the second half of the second century.
A selection of forged letters attributed to Peter, James, John, and Paul.
A few genuine letters by Paul which do not speak of a historical Jesus at all, but only of a mystical dying and resurrecting Christ.
A lot of evidence which suggests that the New Testament is not a history of actual events, but a history of the evolution of Christian mythology.
Conclusion:
Jesus is Osiris-Dionysus thinly disguised as the Jewish Messiah in order to make the Pagan Mysteries accesible to Jews. His composite nature is particularly clear from the contradictory accounts of his birth, which portray him both as the Messiah in the line of David and Osiris-Dionysus the Son of God.
In the gospels Jesus makes it clear that he is really the dying and resurrecting Son of God, not the expected Jewish Messiah.
Although he conforms to Jewish expectations about the Messiah as much as possible, by his death and resurrection Jesus is shown to actually be Osiris-Dionysus.
As well as Pagan mythological motifs, the Jesus story draws on Jewish mythological motifs, especially from the story of the Exodus.
The Jesus story draws on concepts and images developed in Jewish inter-testamental literature that synthesize Jewish and Pagan ideas.
In some texts the name Jesus has simply been added to turn pre-Christian treatises into Christian documents.
The Jewish Messiah was expected to be a historical figure, which meant that the Jesus story would have to be cast in a historical setting.
In 70 AD the Romans laid waste to Jerusalem, fueling the Jews' desperate desire for a savior. This crisis put external pressure on the historicization process of the Jesus story and produced the Gospel of Mark from the mystical timeless Christ preached by Paul.
Although transforming the Jewish Messiah into Osiris-Dionysus in order to introduce the Pagan Godman to the Jews was a clever idea, it didn't work. The Jesus Mysteries were rejected by the Jews but embraced by Pagans as a new Mystery cult.
After 70 AD Jews with knowledge only of the Outer Mysteries of Christianity were spread around the Roman Empire as slaves and refugees. Those in the West, cut off from the masters of the Gnosis in the East, developed a new religion, based only on the Outer Mysteries, which preached a historical Jesus.
The original Jesus Mysteries, now called Gnosticism, continued to flourish in the East.
By the middle of the second century the Gnostics, who had created the Jesus story in the first place, were being attscked by Literalist Christians as heretics who had perverted genuine Christianity.
Summary:
The traditional 'history' of Christianity was nothing less than the greatest cover-up of all time. Christianity's original Gnostic doctrines and it's true origins in the Pagan Mysteries had been ruthlessly suppressed by the mass destruction of the evidence and the creation of a false history to suit the political purposes of the Roman Church.
The wanton destruction of our pagan heritage is the greatest tragedy in the Western world. The scale of what was lost is hard to comprehend. Pagan mysticism and scientific enquiry were replaced by dogmatic authoritarianism. The Roman Catholic Church imposed it's creed with threats and violence, denying generations of human beings the right to think their own thoughts and find their personal route to spiritual salvation. While the great literature of antiquity was being consigned to the flames, St. Augustine announced the triumph of Literalist fundamentalism, writing:
'Nothing is to be accepted except on the authority of scripture, since greater is that authority than all powers of the human mind'.
The Ancients had built the Pyramids and the Parthenon, but within a few hundred years of Christianity people in many areas of Europe had forgotten how to make brick houses. In the first century BC Posidonius had created a beautiful revolving model of the solar system that faithfully represented the orbits of the planets. By the end of the fourth century AD it was sacrilegious not to believe that God placed the stars in the heavens each night. In the third century BC the Alexandrian scholar Eratosphenes had correctly calculated the circumference of the Earth to within a few percent, but now it had become heresy not to believe that the Earth was flat.
If Paganism was so primitive and Literalist Christianity is the one true religion, why was Pagan civilization replaced by the 1000 years we appropriately call the Dark Ages?
Where today the gathered faithful revere their Lord Jesus Christ, the ancients worshipped another Godman who, like Jesus, had been miraculously born on December 25th before three shepherds. In this ancient sanctuary Pagan congregations once glorified a Pagan redeemer who, like Jesus, was said to have ascended to heaven and to have promised to come again at the end of time to judge the quick and the dead. On the same spot where the Pope celebrates the Catholic mass, Pagan priests also celebrated a symbolic meal of bread and wine in memory of their saviour who, just like Jesus, had declared: 'He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation'.
The Pagan Mysteries inspired the greatest minds of the Ancient World.
They were practiced in different forms by nearly every culture in the Mediterranean.
The Egyptian myth of Osiris is the primal myth of the Pagan Mystery religions and reaches back to prehistory. His story can be found in Pyramid texts written over 4,500 years ago.
At the heart of the Mysteries was the myth of a dying and resurrecting Godman - In Egypt he was Osiris, in Greece Dionysus, In Asia Minor Attis, in Syria Adonis, in Italy Bacchus, in Persia Mithras. Fundamentally all these Godmen are the same mythical being.
Jesus is the saviour of mankind, God made man, the son of God equal with the Father - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus is born of a mortal virgin who after her death ascends to heaven and is honored as a divine being - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus is born in a cave on December 25th or January 6th, as is Osisris-Dionysus.
The birth of Jesus is prophesied by a star - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus is visited by the Magi, who are followers of Osiris-Dionysus.
The Magi bring Jesus gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh, which a sixth century BC Pagan tells us is the way to worship God.
Jesus turns water into wine at a marriage on the same day that Osiris-Dionysus was previously believed to have turned water into wine at a marriage.
Jesus is surrounded by 12 disciples - so is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus rides triumphantly into town on a donkey while crowds wave branches, as does Osiris-Dinoysus.
Jesus is hung on a tree or crucified, as is Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus dies as a sacrifice to redeem the sins of the world - so does Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus' corpse is wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrh, as is the corpse of Osiris-Dionysus.
After his death Jesus descends to hell, then on the third day resurrects before his disciples and ascends into heaven, where he is enthroned by God and waits to reappear at the end of time as a divine judge, as does Osiris-Dionysus.
Jesus was said to have died and resurrected on exactly the same dates that the death and resurrection of Osiris-Dionysus were celebrated.
Jesus' empty tomb is visited by three women followers - Osiris-Dionysus also has three women followers who visit an empty cave.
Evidence for a historical Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels:
A few mentions of 'Christians' and followers of someone called Crestus among all the the extensive histories of the Romans.
Some fake passages in Josephus among all the substantial histories of the Jews.
A handful of passages from among the vast literature of the Talmud, which tell us that a man called Yeshu existed and had five disciples called Mattai, Nakkia, Netzer, Buni, and Todah.
Four anonymous gospels that do not even agree on the facts of Jesus' birth and death.
A gospel attributed to Mark written somwhere between 70 and 135 AD which is not even meant to be an eyewitness account and certainly isn't judging from it's ignorance of Palestinian geography and the fact that it misquotes Hebrew scripture.
Gospels attributed to Matthew and Luke, which are independently based on Mark and give us entirely contradictory genealogies.
A gospel attributed to John, which was written some time after the other three and certainly not by the disciple John.
The names of 12 disciples for whom there is no historical evidence.
The Acts of The Apostles, which reads like a fantasy novel, misquotes the Hebrew Old Testament, contradicts Paul's letters, and was not written until the second half of the second century.
A selection of forged letters attributed to Peter, James, John, and Paul.
A few genuine letters by Paul which do not speak of a historical Jesus at all, but only of a mystical dying and resurrecting Christ.
A lot of evidence which suggests that the New Testament is not a history of actual events, but a history of the evolution of Christian mythology.
Conclusion:
Jesus is Osiris-Dionysus thinly disguised as the Jewish Messiah in order to make the Pagan Mysteries accesible to Jews. His composite nature is particularly clear from the contradictory accounts of his birth, which portray him both as the Messiah in the line of David and Osiris-Dionysus the Son of God.
In the gospels Jesus makes it clear that he is really the dying and resurrecting Son of God, not the expected Jewish Messiah.
Although he conforms to Jewish expectations about the Messiah as much as possible, by his death and resurrection Jesus is shown to actually be Osiris-Dionysus.
As well as Pagan mythological motifs, the Jesus story draws on Jewish mythological motifs, especially from the story of the Exodus.
The Jesus story draws on concepts and images developed in Jewish inter-testamental literature that synthesize Jewish and Pagan ideas.
In some texts the name Jesus has simply been added to turn pre-Christian treatises into Christian documents.
The Jewish Messiah was expected to be a historical figure, which meant that the Jesus story would have to be cast in a historical setting.
In 70 AD the Romans laid waste to Jerusalem, fueling the Jews' desperate desire for a savior. This crisis put external pressure on the historicization process of the Jesus story and produced the Gospel of Mark from the mystical timeless Christ preached by Paul.
Although transforming the Jewish Messiah into Osiris-Dionysus in order to introduce the Pagan Godman to the Jews was a clever idea, it didn't work. The Jesus Mysteries were rejected by the Jews but embraced by Pagans as a new Mystery cult.
After 70 AD Jews with knowledge only of the Outer Mysteries of Christianity were spread around the Roman Empire as slaves and refugees. Those in the West, cut off from the masters of the Gnosis in the East, developed a new religion, based only on the Outer Mysteries, which preached a historical Jesus.
The original Jesus Mysteries, now called Gnosticism, continued to flourish in the East.
By the middle of the second century the Gnostics, who had created the Jesus story in the first place, were being attscked by Literalist Christians as heretics who had perverted genuine Christianity.
Summary:
The traditional 'history' of Christianity was nothing less than the greatest cover-up of all time. Christianity's original Gnostic doctrines and it's true origins in the Pagan Mysteries had been ruthlessly suppressed by the mass destruction of the evidence and the creation of a false history to suit the political purposes of the Roman Church.
The wanton destruction of our pagan heritage is the greatest tragedy in the Western world. The scale of what was lost is hard to comprehend. Pagan mysticism and scientific enquiry were replaced by dogmatic authoritarianism. The Roman Catholic Church imposed it's creed with threats and violence, denying generations of human beings the right to think their own thoughts and find their personal route to spiritual salvation. While the great literature of antiquity was being consigned to the flames, St. Augustine announced the triumph of Literalist fundamentalism, writing:
'Nothing is to be accepted except on the authority of scripture, since greater is that authority than all powers of the human mind'.
The Ancients had built the Pyramids and the Parthenon, but within a few hundred years of Christianity people in many areas of Europe had forgotten how to make brick houses. In the first century BC Posidonius had created a beautiful revolving model of the solar system that faithfully represented the orbits of the planets. By the end of the fourth century AD it was sacrilegious not to believe that God placed the stars in the heavens each night. In the third century BC the Alexandrian scholar Eratosphenes had correctly calculated the circumference of the Earth to within a few percent, but now it had become heresy not to believe that the Earth was flat.
If Paganism was so primitive and Literalist Christianity is the one true religion, why was Pagan civilization replaced by the 1000 years we appropriately call the Dark Ages?
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jesus or byrnzie????
cause sometimes i think byrnzie is jesus... resurrected. :shock:
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Thank you, my child. :angel:
something that has always bothered me
in Matthew
the lineage from Abraham is
begat to Jesus through Joseph
but Jesus does not carry blood from Joseph
only Mary, according to, the four gospels, including Matthew
so
what the hell
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
I love Jesus, but i'm fond of Byrnzie.
I lifted it all from a book called 'The Jesus Mysteries' by Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy - http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Mysteries-W ... 648&sr=8-1
I also read a book years ago called 'The House of the Messiah: Controversial Revelations on the Historical Jesus' by Ahmed Osman which also touched on many of the same points.
It's based on the historical evidence.
Came down from heaven in a Yamaha.
Did a skid, killed a kid.....
Knocked his head on a dustbin lid.
You Grok?
The Dark Ages doesn't apply specifically to Rome. It's a term applied to a period of time throughout all of Europe. It refers to that period of European history where the primacy of Christianity resulted in an age of cultural and scientific stagnation and backwardness. And the Christianization of Europe didn't occur over night. It aquired it's dominance gradually over a period of hundreds of years.
so the vatican is like a victory mosque??
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
sorry, i had to throw in my one quote from a bad 80's movie for the week...carry on... :P
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
see im the opposite. but each to their own.. were all gods children in the end.
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No one
If I were a writer back then and witnessed some of that shit I'd be writing....just sayin
And don't pull out the crap in Josephus' writings because that was written probably 60 years after the supposed time of Christ
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Plus obviously it was added to the original text, so double shame on that "supposed" evidence.
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The mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus were fake. They were later interpolations.
Edit: Arq beat me to it.
yeah isn't it likely that they were placed there by the Church of England?
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http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm
'Despite the best wishes of sincere believers and the erroneous claims of truculent apologists, the Testimonium Flavianum has been demonstrated continually over the centuries to be a forgery, likely interpolated by Catholic Church historian Eusebius in the fourth century...'
To argue that the Dark Ages were the result of Christianity is, again, a simple, and I think wrong reading. The Roman Empire was Christian for an extensive period and did not see a decline in its ability to produce scientific achievements. It was only with the dissolution of the Christian Western Roman Empire due to the invasions of non-Christian peoples that we see the descent into the "Dark Ages." This descent had a lot to do with economic and political conditions, not the ideology of the Church.
Lastly, the term "Dark Ages" is not longer really used by scholars of the period it refers to. The reason for this is because it greatly miscasts the period. While it is certainly true that a lot of the scientific achievements of the Roman (and pre-Roman world) were lost (or more precisely forgotten, though much of the knowledge was actually preserved in writings held by the Church, but never referenced), the period produced many remarkable achievements of its own, particularly in theology, philosophy, architecture, art, music, etc. By calling the period a "Dark Age" you are privileging a certain set of human achievements over another set, making a value judgement based on your own anachronistic modern view of the world.
So you don't think that the Christian view of the world was in any way contrary to the scientific view - for which such blatantly non-Christian practices such as alchemy were paramount, as evidenced by the practice of alchemy much later by people such as Isaac Newton - and that the Christian paradigm in any way hindered or suppressed scientific progress?
Is it a biased value judgement that the Earth revolves around the sun?
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This presumes that the Western Roman Empire was essentially Christian, which it wasn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire#Religion
'As Rome extended its influence and presence throughout the Mediterranean world, it encountered and absorbed deities and practices by seeking (and often finding) their equivalence to its own or acknowledging their role in local identity and tradition. Some were officially embraced, others tolerated and a few might be condemned as alien hysteria, magic or superstition....Christianity was [regarded as] superstition, or atheism, or both..
The era of Christian hegemony began with the conversion of Constantine I. In 391, Christianity became the state religion of Rome under Theodosius I, to the exclusion of all other cults.'
The most commonly given start date for the Middle Ages is 476, therefore your assertion that The Roman Empire was Christian for an extensive period' isn't quite true. 80 years does not constitute an extensive period.
Either way, my original post didn't claim that the Dark Ages began as a result of the decline of the Roman Empire. My original post claimed that the Dark Ages and the regression of science and other forms of learning occured as a result of the Christianization of Europe.
'The term "Middle Ages" (medium aevum) was coined in the 15th century and reflects the view that this period was a deviation from the path of classical learning, a path supposedly reconnected by Renaissance scholarship.'