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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,478
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,478
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
    Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:
    “• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,478
    edited August 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
    Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:
    “• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html
    Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
    Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:
    “• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html
    Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.
    Well, I can see how the misleading headline from CNN, 

    “Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say”

    could lead someone to think that...
    At least Unsung wasn’t saying something stupid like “I bet they were Trump voters” or something similar, lol
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
    Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:
    “• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html
    Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.
    Well, I can see how the misleading headline from CNN, 

    “Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say”

    could lead someone to think that...
    Based on comments made by a source that they can’t confirm, as said earlier. 
     
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    Or this:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6053831/Muslim-extremist-ringleader-New-Mexico-compound-tested-positive-explosives-2004.html

    The Muslim man arrested in a New Mexico compound along with four other adults and 11 children last week once allegedly tested positive for an explosive residual substance before a flight to Saudi Arabia three years after 9/11 - but was never detained.

    Siraj Wahhaj Jr is the man who was allegedly armed while holding the group of starving children in a ramshackle site out in the New Mexico desert before Taos County sheriff’s deputies raided the compound and arrested him.

    Wahhaj, who was wanted by authorities after his disabled three-year-old son, Abdul Ghani, was reported missing in Georgia, was allegedly training children to commit school shootings.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
    Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:
    “• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html
    Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.
    Well, I can see how the misleading headline from CNN, 

    “Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say”

    could lead someone to think that...
    Based on comments made by a source that they can’t confirm, as said earlier. 
     
    Maybe CNN should practice some journalistic integrity?  Why even mention something speculative if there is no credible proof of such claims?
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Why start being credible now?
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:
    Why start being credible now?
    Is that your personal philosophy?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,478
    mcgruff10 said:
    Or this:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6053831/Muslim-extremist-ringleader-New-Mexico-compound-tested-positive-explosives-2004.html

    The Muslim man arrested in a New Mexico compound along with four other adults and 11 children last week once allegedly tested positive for an explosive residual substance before a flight to Saudi Arabia three years after 9/11 - but was never detained.

    Siraj Wahhaj Jr is the man who was allegedly armed while holding the group of starving children in a ramshackle site out in the New Mexico desert before Taos County sheriff’s deputies raided the compound and arrested him.

    Wahhaj, who was wanted by authorities after his disabled three-year-old son, Abdul Ghani, was reported missing in Georgia, was allegedly training children to commit school shootings.

    "allegedly." Based on a statement from a foster parent, maybe? 
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Or this:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6053831/Muslim-extremist-ringleader-New-Mexico-compound-tested-positive-explosives-2004.html

    The Muslim man arrested in a New Mexico compound along with four other adults and 11 children last week once allegedly tested positive for an explosive residual substance before a flight to Saudi Arabia three years after 9/11 - but was never detained.

    Siraj Wahhaj Jr is the man who was allegedly armed while holding the group of starving children in a ramshackle site out in the New Mexico desert before Taos County sheriff’s deputies raided the compound and arrested him.

    Wahhaj, who was wanted by authorities after his disabled three-year-old son, Abdul Ghani, was reported missing in Georgia, was allegedly training children to commit school shootings.

    "allegedly." Based on a statement from a foster parent, maybe? 
    I guess we will see if there is more to it after they are arraigned in court today.  Correct me if i am wrong but I thought every news agency had to use the word "allegedly" before innocence or guilt was found.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,478
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Or this:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6053831/Muslim-extremist-ringleader-New-Mexico-compound-tested-positive-explosives-2004.html

    The Muslim man arrested in a New Mexico compound along with four other adults and 11 children last week once allegedly tested positive for an explosive residual substance before a flight to Saudi Arabia three years after 9/11 - but was never detained.

    Siraj Wahhaj Jr is the man who was allegedly armed while holding the group of starving children in a ramshackle site out in the New Mexico desert before Taos County sheriff’s deputies raided the compound and arrested him.

    Wahhaj, who was wanted by authorities after his disabled three-year-old son, Abdul Ghani, was reported missing in Georgia, was allegedly training children to commit school shootings.

    "allegedly." Based on a statement from a foster parent, maybe? 
    I guess we will see if there is more to it after they are arraigned in court today.  Correct me if i am wrong but I thought every news agency had to use the word "allegedly" before innocence or guilt was found.
    A far cry from Unsung's initial post and misleading thread title.
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    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
    Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:
    “• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html
    Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.
    Well, I can see how the misleading headline from CNN, 

    “Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say”

    could lead someone to think that...
    At least Unsung wasn’t saying something stupid like “I bet they were Trump voters” or something similar, lol
    But you confirmed it.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

    Facts are of no relevance.
    For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?
    No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”
    Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:
    “• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html
    Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.
    Well, I can see how the misleading headline from CNN, 

    “Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say”

    could lead someone to think that...
    At least Unsung wasn’t saying something stupid like “I bet they were Trump voters” or something similar, lol
    But you confirmed it.
    Yes, I did confirm the ignorance of the statement through a sarcastic remark.
    I bet you lose a lot of bets, lol
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    It was from CNN so it must be true.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    Gtilley8 said:
    I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet.  It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts.  For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX).  If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem. 
    CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure. 
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Gtilley8 said:
    I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet.  It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts.  For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX).  If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem. 
    CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure. 
    Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.  
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    rgambs said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet.  It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts.  For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX).  If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem. 
    CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure. 
    Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.  
    huh? what have I accepted exactly?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rgambs said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet.  It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts.  For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX).  If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem. 
    CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure. 
    Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.  
    huh? what have I accepted exactly?
    The narrative that any news source that reports unfavourably on conservatives is left of center.  CNN is centrist.  They fill a 24 hour news cycle, and in doing so, they go left and right of center with opinion commentary, and they jump on news before it's fully vetted sometimes, but they are the most central of the big time news networks.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    edited August 2018
    rgambs said:
    rgambs said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet.  It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts.  For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX).  If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem. 
    CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure. 
    Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.  
    huh? what have I accepted exactly?
    The narrative that any news source that reports unfavourably on conservatives is left of center.  CNN is centrist.  They fill a 24 hour news cycle, and in doing so, they go left and right of center with opinion commentary, and they jump on news before it's fully vetted sometimes, but they are the most central of the big time news networks.
    I watched CNN quite often when Trump first got elected (and also post 9/11). For a long time. Until I couldn't take it anymore. They are unquestionably left. their opinion commenty overwhelmingly leans left. I think they are the most centrist of the majors, but they are still left of center. 

    and just because I disagree, doesn't mean I've been somehow "duped". come on. I think I deserve a bit more credit than that. 
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  • rgambs said:
    rgambs said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet.  It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts.  For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX).  If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem. 
    CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure. 
    Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.  
    huh? what have I accepted exactly?
    The narrative that any news source that reports unfavourably on conservatives is left of center.  CNN is centrist.  They fill a 24 hour news cycle, and in doing so, they go left and right of center with opinion commentary, and they jump on news before it's fully vetted sometimes, but they are the most central of the big time news networks.
    I watched CNN quite often when Trump first got elected (and also post 9/11). For a long time. Until I couldn't take it anymore. They are unquestionably left. their opinion commenty overwhelmingly leans left. I think they are the most centrist of the majors, but they are still left of center. 

    and just because I disagree, doesn't mean I've been somehow "duped". come on. I think I deserve a bit more credit than that. 
    Haha. Come to Europe and witness some real left. 

    All you have is right and batshit-crazy right :)

    And my standing question in these times - Where they "left" or just sane and criticizing the worlds biggest idiot?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,478
    unsung said:
    Guess they were charged with terrorism related charges, eh? Oh wait, shooting up a school or training kids to shoot up a school isn’t terrorism.
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    I'm curious how these kids , with their training and all that were going to be integrated into the schools?  given they were effectively prisoners in this buried rv. training on one ar-15 and a few handguns........... not being fed, given clean clothes etc?
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