America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Just another “responsible” gun owner in ‘Murica.

    Police arrest 13-year-old boy in fatal shooting of boy, 14 - ABC News https://apple.news/Agvg6Zn1WT6emAKBNZmehrQ
    How could you call them responsible if they can’t even legally own a firearm?  
    A “responsible” gun owner was “responsible” somewhere along the way until they weren’t.
    Perhaps it was stolen?
    Guess it wasn’t secured properly? Perhaps.
    09/15/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/29/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield, MA; 08/18/08, O2 London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA;

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    edited August 10
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Just another “responsible” gun owner in ‘Murica.

    Police arrest 13-year-old boy in fatal shooting of boy, 14 - ABC News https://apple.news/Agvg6Zn1WT6emAKBNZmehrQ
    How could you call them responsible if they can’t even legally own a firearm?  
    A “responsible” gun owner was “responsible” somewhere along the way until they weren’t.
    Perhaps it was stolen?
    Guess it wasn’t secured properly? Perhaps.
    So Mr. Halifax if someone breaks into my house and steals my firearms you feel I am perhaps a tad irresponsible and partly to blame?
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Just another “responsible” gun owner in ‘Murica.

    Police arrest 13-year-old boy in fatal shooting of boy, 14 - ABC News https://apple.news/Agvg6Zn1WT6emAKBNZmehrQ
    How could you call them responsible if they can’t even legally own a firearm?  
    A “responsible” gun owner was “responsible” somewhere along the way until they weren’t.
    Perhaps it was stolen?
    Guess it wasn’t secured properly? Perhaps.
    So Mr. Halifax if someone breaks into my house and steals my firearms you feel I am perhaps a tad irresponsible and partly to blame?
    If you didn’t properly secure them, yes.
    09/15/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/29/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield, MA; 08/18/08, O2 London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA;

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,470
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Just another “responsible” gun owner in ‘Murica.

    Police arrest 13-year-old boy in fatal shooting of boy, 14 - ABC News https://apple.news/Agvg6Zn1WT6emAKBNZmehrQ
    How could you call them responsible if they can’t even legally own a firearm?  
    A “responsible” gun owner was “responsible” somewhere along the way until they weren’t.
    Perhaps it was stolen?
    Guess it wasn’t secured properly? Perhaps.
    So Mr. Halifax if someone breaks into my house and steals my firearms you feel I am perhaps a tad irresponsible and partly to blame?
    I’d you didn’t have them in a locked gun safe, yes. 

    How many people who claim that guns were mysteriously stolen actually had them appropriately stored? Likely very few. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    edited August 10
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 4,876
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yeah, like when you leave your wallet on the table, or your keys in the car; your fault :wink: Especially if your door was unlocked...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    edited August 10
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yup. Either safe or secured.
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
    09/15/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/29/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield, MA; 08/18/08, O2 London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA;

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,470
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    Crazy right? Expecting “responsible” gun owners to be responsible.
    09/15/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/29/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield, MA; 08/18/08, O2 London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA;

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,239
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    Interesting analogy, might have to borrow that one
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    Just another “responsible” gun owner. And only charged with aggravated assault too.

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    09/15/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/29/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield, MA; 08/18/08, O2 London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA;

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,470
    I thought I recalled that during our lengthy discussions on changes to gun law that would be more broadly acceptable, pretty much everyone agreed with requiring appropriate and safe gun storage. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,470
    The stats on gun thefts and consequent use in violent crime are horrifying. Not surprisingly, the NRA has systematically targeted laws requiring safe storage as well as laws aiming to make gun owners partially responsible if their negligence leads to injury or death, to the extent that some ridiculous cases of negligence never even result in charges, let alone convictions. 

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/21/gun-theft-us-firearm-survey


    https://newrepublic.com/article/121632/why-are-states-so-reluctant-prosecute-gun-negligence-crime




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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
    If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?
    09/15/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/29/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield, MA; 08/18/08, O2 London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA;

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 8,840
    edited August 10
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.

    The law in Sweden - a saner country then the US as we all know :P     

    Storage, movement and transportation of weapons

    When applying for a weapon license, you must specify how and where your weapons are stored when not in use. The storage space must be approved or meet the corresponding requirements.

     You who are authorized to possess firearms are, according to the general rule of the law of arms, obliged to take care of the weapons and keep them under such a view that there is no risk of unauthorized access to them.

     Storage of weapons at home
    When firearms are not used, you must store them in approved safety cabinets that meet the requirements of SS 3492 or SSF 3492. An approved cabinet is fitted with a sticker SS 3492 / SSF3492, placed inside the cabinet. If you store a large number of weapons, or especially dangerous firearms, the police will in some cases place higher demands on the custody.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
    In Sweden - a saner country then the US as we all know :P     


    Storage, movement and transportation of weapons

    When applying for a weapon license, you must specify how and where your weapons are stored when not in use. The storage space must be approved or meet the corresponding requirements.

     You who are authorized to possess firearms are, according to the general rule of the law of arms, obliged to take care of the weapons and keep them under such a view that there is no risk of unauthorized access to them.

     Storage of weapons at home
    When firearms are not used, you must store them in approved safety cabinets that meet the requirements of SS 3492 or SSF 3492. An approved cabinet is fitted with a sticker SS 3492 / SSF3492, placed inside the cabinet. If you store a large number of weapons, or especially dangerous firearms, the police will in some cases place higher demands on the custody.
    But then the government knows exactly where they are and can come and take them anytime.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 8,840
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
    In Sweden - a saner country then the US as we all know :P     


    Storage, movement and transportation of weapons

    When applying for a weapon license, you must specify how and where your weapons are stored when not in use. The storage space must be approved or meet the corresponding requirements.

     You who are authorized to possess firearms are, according to the general rule of the law of arms, obliged to take care of the weapons and keep them under such a view that there is no risk of unauthorized access to them.

     Storage of weapons at home
    When firearms are not used, you must store them in approved safety cabinets that meet the requirements of SS 3492 or SSF 3492. An approved cabinet is fitted with a sticker SS 3492 / SSF3492, placed inside the cabinet. If you store a large number of weapons, or especially dangerous firearms, the police will in some cases place higher demands on the custody.
    But then the government knows exactly where they are and can come and take them anytime.
    I get so turned on when you roleplay as Unsung.

    :)
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,239
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
    In Sweden - a saner country then the US as we all know :P     


    Storage, movement and transportation of weapons

    When applying for a weapon license, you must specify how and where your weapons are stored when not in use. The storage space must be approved or meet the corresponding requirements.

     You who are authorized to possess firearms are, according to the general rule of the law of arms, obliged to take care of the weapons and keep them under such a view that there is no risk of unauthorized access to them.

     Storage of weapons at home
    When firearms are not used, you must store them in approved safety cabinets that meet the requirements of SS 3492 or SSF 3492. An approved cabinet is fitted with a sticker SS 3492 / SSF3492, placed inside the cabinet. If you store a large number of weapons, or especially dangerous firearms, the police will in some cases place higher demands on the custody.
    But then the government knows exactly where they are and can come and take them anytime.
    I get so turned on when you roleplay as Unsung.

    :)
    Lol
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.

    The law in Sweden - a saner country then the US as we all know :P     

    Storage, movement and transportation of weapons

    When applying for a weapon license, you must specify how and where your weapons are stored when not in use. The storage space must be approved or meet the corresponding requirements.

     You who are authorized to possess firearms are, according to the general rule of the law of arms, obliged to take care of the weapons and keep them under such a view that there is no risk of unauthorized access to them.

     Storage of weapons at home
    When firearms are not used, you must store them in approved safety cabinets that meet the requirements of SS 3492 or SSF 3492. An approved cabinet is fitted with a sticker SS 3492 / SSF3492, placed inside the cabinet. If you store a large number of weapons, or especially dangerous firearms, the police will in some cases place higher demands on the custody.
    I was talking about the US.   
    Halifax, all of my firearms are locked up nice and tight. Trigger locks on them, keys are stored in a separate place,  bolts removed , I also have a safe.  
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 8,840
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.

    The law in Sweden - a saner country then the US as we all know :P     

    Storage, movement and transportation of weapons

    When applying for a weapon license, you must specify how and where your weapons are stored when not in use. The storage space must be approved or meet the corresponding requirements.

     You who are authorized to possess firearms are, according to the general rule of the law of arms, obliged to take care of the weapons and keep them under such a view that there is no risk of unauthorized access to them.

     Storage of weapons at home
    When firearms are not used, you must store them in approved safety cabinets that meet the requirements of SS 3492 or SSF 3492. An approved cabinet is fitted with a sticker SS 3492 / SSF3492, placed inside the cabinet. If you store a large number of weapons, or especially dangerous firearms, the police will in some cases place higher demands on the custody.
    I was talking about the US.   
    Halifax, all of my firearms are locked up nice and tight. Trigger locks on them, keys are stored in a separate place,  bolts removed , I also have a safe.  
    And i compared the US to a sane country.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?  
    Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary. 

    If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.  
    I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.  
    I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.

    The law in Sweden - a saner country then the US as we all know :P     

    Storage, movement and transportation of weapons

    When applying for a weapon license, you must specify how and where your weapons are stored when not in use. The storage space must be approved or meet the corresponding requirements.

     You who are authorized to possess firearms are, according to the general rule of the law of arms, obliged to take care of the weapons and keep them under such a view that there is no risk of unauthorized access to them.

     Storage of weapons at home
    When firearms are not used, you must store them in approved safety cabinets that meet the requirements of SS 3492 or SSF 3492. An approved cabinet is fitted with a sticker SS 3492 / SSF3492, placed inside the cabinet. If you store a large number of weapons, or especially dangerous firearms, the police will in some cases place higher demands on the custody.
    I was talking about the US.   
    Halifax, all of my firearms are locked up nice and tight. Trigger locks on them, keys are stored in a separate place,  bolts removed , I also have a safe.  
    Good, as they should be.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    edited August 10
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Just another “responsible” gun owner in ‘Murica.

    Police arrest 13-year-old boy in fatal shooting of boy, 14 - ABC News https://apple.news/Agvg6Zn1WT6emAKBNZmehrQ
    How could you call them responsible if they can’t even legally own a firearm?  
    A “responsible” gun owner was “responsible” somewhere along the way until they weren’t.
    Perhaps it was stolen?
    I personally kind of blame stolen weapons on the legal owners who had it stolen as well as the person who stole it (and particularly those who made it easy to steal, i.e. not locked up like Fort Knox). When there isn't a gun to steal then someone can't steal it. It's one of the reasons I think it's pretty lame to own guns. But if one must for some reason, then yeah, they shouldn't really be "stealable", assuming we're talking about regular thieves and not the Italian Job.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,259
    edited August 14
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 12,059
    Surprised you’re not defending here for “just exercising her rights.”

    Oh yeah, she’s a democrat so that’s all you wanted to point out.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,157
    See, she knew guns were too easy to get. And she proved her point.
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  • unsung said:

    Well thank gawd the laws are so lenient so she could murder her treasurer!

    I think Sean Davis is making a good case for gun reform. Further... it's the classic tale of the 'responsible gun owner turns irresponsible'.

    Don't worry, Unsung. There will never be any gun reform in the US. If Sandy Hook couldn't get anything done (or Vegas for that matter)... nothing will.

    If guns can survive those blatant demonstrations demanding some measure of gun control then nothing can. 
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,259
    Surprised you’re not defending here for “just exercising her rights.”

    Oh yeah, she’s a democrat so that’s all you wanted to point out.
    Nobody has a right to murder, do you think otherwise?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,363
    unsung said:
    Ok How many of these occurrences have happened compared to the true gun owners who do go the irresponsible route ? What says you for every one of these I’d say there’s 20 that fall in the latter of these occurrences....
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