Just saying something like that isn't actually treason, is it?? I think you have to do more than that to commit that crime. I'm not saying he's not a traitor, just that him making a comment about America like that doesn't amount to it legally as far as I know. He can trash talk America and praise Russia all he wants without committing a crime, no?
treason
ˈtriːz(ə)n/
noun the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.
I dont know of the legalities of it, but I'm not sure how any right-minded American, Republican or Democrat, could stand behind what Trump did today. There should be an immediate bi-partisan backlash in Congress. He should be impeached.
Yes, of course. I think anyone who supports Trump now, or at any point in the past, is a complete asshole and stupid as hell. But so far he has not committed an act of treason........ that we know of, factually. Of course that doesn't mean he hasn't committed treason at some point. I was just responding to the comments about his words today amounting to an act of treason. They did not...... I actually really really wish they did, lol. Maybe then he'd actually get impeached.
Totally agree with you on “treason” but not on support. I am not stupid as hell or a complete asshole. The alternative choice matters. The alternative choice is not better.
Hm. Well, let's agree to disagree on that one. As for you... you are just a grade-A troll by your own admission, so do not qualify either way.
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Cast off! Me in these ropes? I'm one knot Tangled in the heap
I know it's paradox With my dreams I know it's paradox With my dreams
Ship's creaking Taking on bullshit I fucking scream: Jump ship!
Jump ship!
Jump ship to what? The Democratic Socialists? I thought we are trying to get away from Russia?
You are comparing Democratic Socialism to Russia?
Jump ship, baby, jump ship!
Yes. Russia, Venezuela, etc. It all flows in that direction.
Classic stuff there, BS. Reminds me of being a kid back in the 50's again with the whole red scare thing again.
I'm sure by now you have read at least a few of the posts here on AMT that show how very different Democratic Socialism is from communism, right? And even if you are a fan of Trumps concept of capitalism, you know it's headed for epic fail, right? Come on man, you don't want to be associated with that kind of nonsense.
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Cast off! Me in these ropes? I'm one knot Tangled in the heap
I know it's paradox With my dreams I know it's paradox With my dreams
Ship's creaking Taking on bullshit I fucking scream: Jump ship!
Jump ship!
Jump ship to what? The Democratic Socialists? I thought we are trying to get away from Russia?
You are comparing Democratic Socialism to Russia?
Jump ship, baby, jump ship!
Yes. Russia, Venezuela, etc. It all flows in that direction.
Classic stuff there, BS. Reminds me of being a kid back in the 50's again with the whole red scare thing again.
I'm sure by now you have read at least a few of the posts here on AMT that show how very different Democratic Socialism is from communism, right? And even if you are a fan of Trumps concept of capitalism, you know it's headed for epic fail, right? Come on man, you don't want to be associated with that kind of nonsense.
Hold on. I’m doing “red scare”? Are we on the same planet today? This message board believes Trump is the Manchurian candidate. In terms of the “epic fail” I believe it is coming...I have said so from the beginning. Trump is a symptom of the epic fail...not the cause. He is the hail mary pass. You can dress up “democratic socialism” all you want but it is the debt crisis brought on by social programs that will trigger this epic fail. Democratic socialists want more of these programs...they want more of this spending. I don’t see how Trump can right the ship but I believe he will go down with a fight. Step 1 stop the stagnation and create growth. Step 2 cut the spending. Step 3 get america and the world to wake up and buy in.
You are on to tackling Step 1. There is no sign of fixing step 2. No chance of fixing step 3.
The epic fail will happen. It won’t be pretty. But it won’t be due to capitalism. It will be due to the debt bomb brought on by your every wish.
Just saying something like that isn't actually treason, is it?? I think you have to do more than that to commit that crime. I'm not saying he's not a traitor, just that him making a comment about America like that doesn't amount to it legally as far as I know. He can trash talk America and praise Russia all he wants without committing a crime, no?
treason
ˈtriːz(ə)n/
noun the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.
I dont know of the legalities of it, but I'm not sure how any right-minded American, Republican or Democrat, could stand behind what Trump did today. There should be an immediate bi-partisan backlash in Congress. He should be impeached.
Yes, of course. I think anyone who supports Trump now, or at any point in the past, is a complete asshole and stupid as hell. But so far he has not committed an act of treason........ that we know of, factually. Of course that doesn't mean he hasn't committed treason at some point. I was just responding to the comments about his words today amounting to an act of treason. They did not...... I actually really really wish they did, lol. Maybe then he'd actually get impeached.
Totally agree with you on “treason” but not on support. I am not stupid as hell or a complete asshole. The alternative choice matters. The alternative choice is not better.
Hm. Well, let's agree to disagree on that one. As for you... you are just a grade-A troll by your own admission, so do not qualify either way.
I am a grade-A troll? I have admitted to this? I’m not sure where.
The damage control for Trump in this thread is cringeworthy. I am usually open to listen to all sides of an argument but man is this tough to watch people defend Trump on this one. Almost feel bad for them.
The damage control for Trump in this thread is cringeworthy. I am usually open to listen to all sides of an argument but man is this tough to watch people defend Trump on this one. Almost feel bad for them.
Is somebody trying to control damage?
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The damage control for Trump in this thread is cringeworthy. I am usually open to listen to all sides of an argument but man is this tough to watch people defend Trump on this one. Almost feel bad for them.
Even a lot of the talking heads on Fox are choosing not to defend this clown show today....
Cast off! Me in these ropes? I'm one knot Tangled in the heap
I know it's paradox With my dreams I know it's paradox With my dreams
Ship's creaking Taking on bullshit I fucking scream: Jump ship!
Jump ship!
Jump ship to what? The Democratic Socialists? I thought we are trying to get away from Russia?
You are comparing Democratic Socialism to Russia?
Jump ship, baby, jump ship!
Yes. Russia, Venezuela, etc. It all flows in that direction.
I know today is a rough day for ya, but come on. It flows in the direction of Europe.
Today was rough for me? I don’t understand.
You don’t have to.
Oh. Ok. So you didn’t mean it I guess. Listen...I have been pissed off about Russia for years and am finally thrilled that the rest of you are. All the people who made excuses for the last administration are now on the same page as me. It is a great day.
Now the question is collectively what should we all do about it? I think we all agree regime change is out of the question but certainly we should consider
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime 2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere 3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals 4) Increase member funding of NATO
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime Impeach Trump 2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere Impeach Trump 3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals Impeach Trump 4) Increase member funding of NATO Impeach Trump
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,685
Cast off! Me in these ropes? I'm one knot Tangled in the heap
I know it's paradox With my dreams I know it's paradox With my dreams
Ship's creaking Taking on bullshit I fucking scream: Jump ship!
Jump ship!
Jump ship to what? The Democratic Socialists? I thought we are trying to get away from Russia?
You are comparing Democratic Socialism to Russia?
Jump ship, baby, jump ship!
Yes. Russia, Venezuela, etc. It all flows in that direction.
Classic stuff there, BS. Reminds me of being a kid back in the 50's again with the whole red scare thing again.
I'm sure by now you have read at least a few of the posts here on AMT that show how very different Democratic Socialism is from communism, right? And even if you are a fan of Trumps concept of capitalism, you know it's headed for epic fail, right? Come on man, you don't want to be associated with that kind of nonsense.
Hold on. I’m doing “red scare”? Are we on the same planet today? This message board believes Trump is the Manchurian candidate. In terms of the “epic fail” I believe it is coming...I have said so from the beginning. Trump is a symptom of the epic fail...not the cause. He is the hail mary pass. You can dress up “democratic socialism” all you want but it is the debt crisis brought on by social programs that will trigger this epic fail. Democratic socialists want more of these programs...they want more of this spending. I don’t see how Trump can right the ship but I believe he will go down with a fight. Step 1 stop the stagnation and create growth. Step 2 cut the spending. Step 3 get america and the world to wake up and buy in.
You are on to tackling Step 1. There is no sign of fixing step 2. No chance of fixing step 3.
The epic fail will happen. It won’t be pretty. But it won’t be due to capitalism. It will be due to the debt bomb brought on by your every wish.
"Growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
-Edward Abbey
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime Impeach Trump 2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere Impeach Trump 3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals Impeach Trump 4) Increase member funding of NATO Impeach Trump
And there it is... This is exactly the problem. You all only care about Russia as far as it pertains to Trump. Impeach Trump and the Russia problem that has existed for years goes away. Obama ignored it. You all ignored it. Get rid of Trump and you can go back to ignoring it. You just aren’t serious.
This is why we had such an idiotic press conference today. Trump doesn’t believe you are interested in “Russia”. He thinks you just want to impeach and unfortunately he is not wrong. There was an indictment the other day that even though none of us will ever see the evidence behind I believed to be honest and fair. It discussed Russian meddling. It said no Americans knowingly participated. It said the outcome wasn’t changed because of it. Yet even with these clear statements none of you can let go. “Trump colluded!” “The dossier is real!” “The election was stolen!” “He must be impeached!”.
Trump hears this. He thinks this sentiment exists not just among you but by the entire democratic party, by a good portion of the republican party, and a large part of the DC bureaucracies including the FBI. He trusts none of them and none of you. Combine that with him being a thin skinned jerk and that is why you get the press conference we had today.
I want real solutions on Russia. You want impeachment. I am unlikely to get what I want because of what you want.
Cast off! Me in these ropes? I'm one knot Tangled in the heap
I know it's paradox With my dreams I know it's paradox With my dreams
Ship's creaking Taking on bullshit I fucking scream: Jump ship!
Jump ship!
Jump ship to what? The Democratic Socialists? I thought we are trying to get away from Russia?
You are comparing Democratic Socialism to Russia?
Jump ship, baby, jump ship!
Yes. Russia, Venezuela, etc. It all flows in that direction.
I know today is a rough day for ya, but come on. It flows in the direction of Europe.
Today was rough for me? I don’t understand.
You don’t have to.
Oh. Ok. So you didn’t mean it I guess. Listen...I have been pissed off about Russia for years and am finally thrilled that the rest of you are. All the people who made excuses for the last administration are now on the same page as me. It is a great day.
Now the question is collectively what should we all do about it? I think we all agree regime change is out of the question but certainly we should consider
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime 2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere 3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals 4) Increase member funding of NATO
All seem like good ideas.
We just need a President to push for these
Thankfully we have a congress who forced the president's hand in actually pushing sanctions forward after he stalled for a good 8 months or so. Wonder why the delay.
Syria...haaaa......the airport we bombed last year was operational again in days. Had no choice but to use force this year. But then he never issued the new sanctions against Russia for its role even after Nikki Haley promised they would. I wonder what changed.
No country formally agreed to any of Trump's claims. The plan all along has been to go to 2% by 2024, since Obama pushed for it in 2014. Wonder why Trump lied.
And, if I may, I believe the outrage today stems more from the president siding with Putin over his own intelligence agencies regarding an attack on our election 2 years ago. There was no need for this "summit." The world saw how unprepared he was. There's no defending what happened today.
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime Impeach Trump 2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere Impeach Trump 3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals Impeach Trump 4) Increase member funding of NATO Impeach Trump
And there it is... This is exactly the problem. You all only care about Russia as far as it pertains to Trump. Impeach Trump and the Russia problem that has existed for years goes away. Obama ignored it. You all ignored it. Get rid of Trump and you can go back to ignoring it. You just aren’t serious.
This is why we had such an idiotic press conference today. Trump doesn’t believe you are interested in “Russia”. He thinks you just want to impeach and unfortunately he is not wrong. There was an indictment the other day that even though none of us will ever see the evidence behind I believed to be honest and fair. It discussed Russian meddling. It said no Americans knowingly participated. It said the outcome wasn’t changed because of it. Yet even with these clear statements none of you can let go. “Trump colluded!” “The dossier is real!” “The election was stolen!” “He must be impeached!”.
Trump hears this. He thinks this sentiment exists not just among you but by the entire democratic party, by a good portion of the republican party, and a large part of the DC bureaucracies including the FBI. He trusts none of them and none of you. Combine that with him being a thin skinned jerk and that is why you get the press conference we had today.
I want real solutions on Russia. You want impeachment. I am unlikely to get what I want because of what you want.
And we will all suffer.
though you'd like that. Remember, Trump is a criminal. Me not liking him doesn't take anything away from that.
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime Impeach Trump 2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere Impeach Trump 3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals Impeach Trump 4) Increase member funding of NATO Impeach Trump
And there it is... This is exactly the problem. You all only care about Russia as far as it pertains to Trump. Impeach Trump and the Russia problem that has existed for years goes away. Obama ignored it. You all ignored it. Get rid of Trump and you can go back to ignoring it. You just aren’t serious.
This is why we had such an idiotic press conference today. Trump doesn’t believe you are interested in “Russia”. He thinks you just want to impeach and unfortunately he is not wrong. There was an indictment the other day that even though none of us will ever see the evidence behind I believed to be honest and fair. It discussed Russian meddling. It said no Americans knowingly participated. It said the outcome wasn’t changed because of it. Yet even with these clear statements none of you can let go. “Trump colluded!” “The dossier is real!” “The election was stolen!” “He must be impeached!”.
Trump hears this. He thinks this sentiment exists not just among you but by the entire democratic party, by a good portion of the republican party, and a large part of the DC bureaucracies including the FBI. He trusts none of them and none of you. Combine that with him being a thin skinned jerk and that is why you get the press conference we had today.
I want real solutions on Russia. You want impeachment. I am unlikely to get what I want because of what you want.
And we will all suffer.
Trump acted like he did today because if he did not then he would have to admit there was meddling in the election and a possibility that he would not have won without the Russian help.
A few years ago the AMT was all like “the president and intelligence agencies lied us into war” and now it’s all like “the president isn’t listening to the intelligence agencies and taking us to war”.
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As for you... you are just a grade-A troll by your own admission, so do not qualify either way.
1) Democratic Socialism /= Socialism
2) Russia is a Federal Republic (like the US)
Here's some light reading to get yourself up to speed :
Here's the difference between a 'socialist' and a 'Democratic socialist'
If democratic socialism is so bad, why is Norway so great?
You are on to tackling Step 1. There is no sign of fixing step 2. No chance of fixing step 3.
The epic fail will happen. It won’t be pretty. But it won’t be due to capitalism. It will be due to the debt bomb brought on by your every wish.
Today was rough for me? I don’t understand.
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/272750/signed-2016-wrigley-poster#latest
Now the question is collectively what should we all do about it? I think we all agree regime change is out of the question but certainly we should consider
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime
2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere
3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals
4) Increase member funding of NATO
All seem like good ideas.
We just need a President to push for these
1) Sanctions on Russian businesses and members of the regime Impeach Trump
2) Confronting them militarily in places like Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere Impeach Trump
3) Ramping up domestic oil and gas production and forcing countries like Germany to abandon Russian energy deals Impeach Trump
4) Increase member funding of NATO Impeach Trump
This is exactly the problem. You all only care about Russia as far as it pertains to Trump. Impeach Trump and the Russia problem that has existed for years goes away. Obama ignored it. You all ignored it. Get rid of Trump and you can go back to ignoring it. You just aren’t serious.
This is why we had such an idiotic press conference today. Trump doesn’t believe you are interested in “Russia”. He thinks you just want to impeach and unfortunately he is not wrong. There was an indictment the other day that even though none of us will ever see the evidence behind I believed to be honest and fair. It discussed Russian meddling. It said no Americans knowingly participated. It said the outcome wasn’t changed because of it. Yet even with these clear statements none of you can let go. “Trump colluded!” “The dossier is real!” “The election was stolen!” “He must be impeached!”.
Trump hears this. He thinks this sentiment exists not just among you but by the entire democratic party, by a good portion of the republican party, and a large part of the DC bureaucracies including the FBI. He trusts none of them and none of you. Combine that with him being a thin skinned jerk and that is why you get the press conference we had today.
I want real solutions on Russia. You want impeachment. I am unlikely to get what I want because of what you want.
And we will all suffer.
Thankfully we have a congress who forced the president's hand in actually pushing sanctions forward after he stalled for a good 8 months or so. Wonder why the delay.
Syria...haaaa......the airport we bombed last year was operational again in days. Had no choice but to use force this year. But then he never issued the new sanctions against Russia for its role even after Nikki Haley promised they would. I wonder what changed.
No country formally agreed to any of Trump's claims. The plan all along has been to go to 2% by 2024, since Obama pushed for it in 2014. Wonder why Trump lied.
And, if I may, I believe the outrage today stems more from the president siding with Putin over his own intelligence agencies regarding an attack on our election 2 years ago. There was no need for this "summit." The world saw how unprepared he was. There's no defending what happened today.
A few years ago the AMT was all like “the president and intelligence agencies lied us into war” and now it’s all like “the president isn’t listening to the intelligence agencies and taking us to war”.
my head is spin. ing.