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Shows are no longer 3 hours/ less encores/less songs? Discuss

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,933
    on2legs said:
    Impossible to scale back entitlements. Or what is that cliche thing US politicans and panel-people say on CNN.
    If they scale back, I hope they bring back opening bands.
    Is it necessary to work politics into every thread? We get you don’t like the US but can you save that stuff for AMT?
    I think you're misreading my post...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    northerndragonnortherndragon somewhere, nowhere, anywhere Posts: 9,728
    HesCalledDyer said: LLP
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!


    Ledbetter is 100% pure, unadulterated garbage.
    ^^^^^^^^This man gets it.
    Anything you lose from being honest
    You never really had to begin with.


    Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    HesCalledDyer said: LLP
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!


    Ledbetter is 100% pure, unadulterated garbage.
    ^^^^^^^^This man gets it.
    no he doesn't. he's out of his mind. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,216
    You guys are ridiculous. The studio version of YL is amazing and the live extended tags by Mike are awesome. I'd rather hear original PJ than a NY cover song they have adopted.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    northerndragonnortherndragon somewhere, nowhere, anywhere Posts: 9,728
    HesCalledDyer said: LLP
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!


    Ledbetter is 100% pure, unadulterated garbage.
    ^^^^^^^^This man gets it.
    no he doesn't. he's out of his mind. 
    Nope, that's a smart man right there. One more that hasn't drunk the kool aid.
    Anything you lose from being honest
    You never really had to begin with.


    Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,418
    HesCalledDyer said: LLP
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!


    Ledbetter is 100% pure, unadulterated garbage.
    ^^^^^^^^This man gets it.
    no he doesn't. he's out of his mind. 
    Nope, that's a smart man right there. One more that hasn't drunk the kool aid.
    I gotta give Hugh a pass. If I recall correctly, he’s never heard YL at any hows he’s been to. (He doesn’t realize he’s the lucky one!) I think it’s him, anyway. I could be wrong but I know someome here hasn’t.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    HesCalledDyer said: LLP
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!


    Ledbetter is 100% pure, unadulterated garbage.
    ^^^^^^^^This man gets it.
    no he doesn't. he's out of his mind. 
    Nope, that's a smart man right there. One more that hasn't drunk the kool aid.
    I gotta give Hugh a pass. If I recall correctly, he’s never heard YL at any hows he’s been to. (He doesn’t realize he’s the lucky one!) I think it’s him, anyway. I could be wrong but I know someome here hasn’t.
    correct. 5 shows. no Y Led. The last 2 songs of each show I've been to:

    1993: Rockin'/Baba
    2003: Crazy May/Baba
    2005: Fuckin' Up/Rockin' (YLed was on the setlist but not played)
    2011: Rockin'/Indifference (YLed was on the setlist but not played)
    2014: Rockin'/Indifference
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    HesCalledDyer said: LLP
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!


    Ledbetter is 100% pure, unadulterated garbage.
    ^^^^^^^^This man gets it.
    no he doesn't. he's out of his mind. 
    Nope, that's a smart man right there. One more that hasn't drunk the kool aid.
    not sure how it's a kool aid thing. nonsensical lyrics on top of a jimi hendrix inspired guitar lick? what the fuck could be bad about that?
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!

    I want both of them to go away equally, lol.
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    lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,185
    PJ_Soul said:
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!

    I want both of them to go away equally, lol.

    and add "Betterman" to that list. pleeze!!!

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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    lolobugg said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I’m reading a lot of “get rid of RITFW” in recent posts. I’ll gladly take Rockin’ over that bullshit Yellow Ledbetter any day!

    I want both of them to go away equally, lol.

    and add "Betterman" to that list. pleeze!!!
    this one I can get behind. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




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    just_onejust_one Lisbon Posts: 1,932
    Smalltown
    Black
    Jeremy

    These 3 can go away for a longgggg time

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    Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,416
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


    I mean...at this point, even after almost 50 shows, even I dont want to hear a B-List setlist at a major show.  (Play a 10C only event, im all there for all the Bugs and Stupid Mops, etc.).  But I tend to bring a new person to a show more often than not.  The hits must be played. 
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,300
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


    I mean...at this point, even after almost 50 shows, even I dont want to hear a B-List setlist at a major show.  (Play a 10C only event, im all there for all the Bugs and Stupid Mops, etc.).  But I tend to bring a new person to a show more often than not.  The hits must be played. 
    Fine. Play one of them per show. Rotate throughout the tour
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,191
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


    I mean...at this point, even after almost 50 shows, even I dont want to hear a B-List setlist at a major show.  (Play a 10C only event, im all there for all the Bugs and Stupid Mops, etc.).  But I tend to bring a new person to a show more often than not.  The hits must be played. 
    Better Man  and Small Town are still great live.  I don't think they've lost anything with how much they have been played.  Even Flow, Black and Yellow Ledbetter might get a new  kick and feel if they are in new positions in the set list.  Jeremy can probably be put away for a while.  Just my opinion.
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    jdopjjdopj Posts: 647
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


    I mean...at this point, even after almost 50 shows, even I dont want to hear a B-List setlist at a major show.  (Play a 10C only event, im all there for all the Bugs and Stupid Mops, etc.).  But I tend to bring a new person to a show more often than not.  The hits must be played. 
    They can play most of those, just not in a row at the end every show. Play some in the main set
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    mrk2mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,023
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    How are you going to have longer shows if you keep asking for "certain" songs in the catalog to be retired?

    Yellow Ledbetter has brought me to tears on more than one occasion and I didn't even know why.

    Quit yer bitchin'.
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    CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 2,896
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
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    pashapasamanpashapasaman Posts: 497
    Tiki said:
    How are you going to have longer shows if you keep asking for "certain" songs in the catalog to be retired?

    Yellow Ledbetter has brought me to tears on more than one occasion and I didn't even know why.

    Quit yer bitchin'.
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    pashapasamanpashapasaman Posts: 497

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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,740

    Glad to hear. I would guess they are not forcing this and he is good to go. Great news for the rest of the tour!
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    nycratsnycrats Posts: 1,348
    excellent news
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


     
    take that list and add alive, dte, gtf, ritfw, rvm, daughter, porch, lightning bolt, corduroy and youre almost at 2/3 the show if youre playing 25-27 songs.  of course you have to play the hits, (and for the record i love most of those songs) but maybe play 5-6 a night and keep rotating them to keep it fresher If they are a 27 song live show band now.  while its always someone's first show, the vast majority of fans have been doing this a long time.  
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    pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 14,695
    im quite happy for the band to play whatever the fuck they like
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    DW139059DW139059 Posts: 353
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


    I mean...at this point, even after almost 50 shows, even I dont want to hear a B-List setlist at a major show.  (Play a 10C only event, im all there for all the Bugs and Stupid Mops, etc.).  But I tend to bring a new person to a show more often than not.  The hits must be played. 
    A friend of mine's first Pearl Jam show was Greenville, SC  2016.  They played Betterman, and it was perfect, she loved it.  Didn't quite "get" the whole playing of Vs...
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,840
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
    I always thought release would be one heck of a closer.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    deftonesdeftones Athens, Greece Posts: 2,444
    pdalowsky said:
    im quite happy for the band to play whatever the fuck they like
    Well said
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,933
    mcgruff10 said:
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
    I always thought release would be one heck of a closer.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,840
    mcgruff10 said:
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
    I always thought release would be one heck of a closer.
    e v e n f l o w
    That would be sweet.  Good call.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,216
    mrk2 said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

    Unleash those 2007 shows! My audience recordings don't cut it and those were some great shows. They opened one with Porch. That mini tour had some awesome setlists.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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