Just an observation, but it seems most on here are also refraining from actually typing the word "cunt" and opting for c-word, but we've all dropped other cuss words without a second thought. Is it because it does carry more weight in our current culture or because we're afraid the mods will become upset, which goes back to my first point?
Because like it or not, words take on meanings and become worse than other words....and the c-word is one of those bad words. Its a dehumanizing way to degrade a woman.
But is it, though? LIke I mentioned before, the US seems to be the only majority English-speaking nation that has a problem with it. I call my male friends cunts quite a bit. Has nothing to do with dehumanzing a female and I don't think of females or female anatomy when I call them that, nor is it the intended reference. It's just my way of saying "you fucking idiot!" Like the English & Aussies do.
American women are also often digusted & offended by another word. Next thing you know we won't be able to say "moist" in public.
there are so many issues with this post.
1st off, its not just a US issue.
2nd do you call your female friends the c-word alot also? i find it interesting that you write male friends instead.
3rd, I know many woman who have been called c by men who were abusive toward them. it is a dehumanzing term.
4th, i like how you just basically say to woman to suck it up about words and then compare the C word to moist
Abused women, children and men are called a lot of things which include every swear word you can think of, so that would be like saying every swear word is dehumanizing. Bitch is a female dog in heat and is the only one I can think of that derives from an animal. We shit, fuck and piss so the rest have all derived from some part of our anatomy or bodily functions.
Exactly. Singling out the c-word makes absolutely no sense at all. Context is everything. If you call an abused woman a stupid jerk while she's being abused, that is no better at all. But that isn't stopping people from saying stupid jerk.
Meanwhile, it's truly a testament to the power of distraction that on a thread titled Roseanne Barr, created about her abhorrent comparison of black persons to apes, we're talking about the validity of the c-word.
Roseanne once called Hillary a cunt. Nugent called her a cunt as well and got invited to the fucking white house.
The double standard is truly astounding... and people are falling for this bullshit
Ted Nugent also has a new gun line called "The Spearchucker".... which was featured at the annual NRA meeting, of course
Keep worrying about Samantha Bee America... let me know when comedians show up in Charlottesville with shields and torches
There has always been a double standard when it comes to regressives.....
From early 2001-2008 and from early 2017 till now if you made a joke or insulted the president you were a bad American and were told to leave the country. From early 2009 till now it was okay to compare President Obama and his wife and kids to apes and gorillas and other racially insulting words/terms.
ABC may be throwing Roseanne a lifeline — without star Roseanne Barr. The network is reportedly toying with the idea of rebooting the show around Sara Gilbert’s character, Darlene.
According to TVLine, Darlene was one of five offshoots proposed to the network in the wake of Tuesday’s drama. TMZ reports that Gilbert has been calling cast members to gauge their interest, and John Goodman seems eager. Tom Werner, whose company produced Roseanne, is also involved in the effort, according to the outlet. CNN has confirmed the reports as well.
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This would be great news. I know very well how important these shows can be for the people behind the scenes making everything happen. The worst part about this whole thing is how damaging her comments were to the people working on the show to put food on their tables.
Eh, if they were good enough to be put on the Roseanne reboot then they will be on another project in weeks. The "feel bad for crew" is just a safe outlet to express dismay with social pressure like this, IMO.
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Gambs I have to strongly disagree. If the topic were something I didn't have first hand, intimate, knowledge about then I could just be talking out of my ass. Think of it as if we were discussing optometrist offices/business. (My wife has worked in TV production for the past 20 years and with the same major network production for the past 10. )
Gambs I have to strongly disagree. If the topic were something I didn't have first hand, intimate, knowledge about then I could just be talking out of my ass. Think of it as if we were discussing optometrist offices/business. (My wife has worked in TV production for the past 20 years and with the same major network production for the past 10. )
I suppose you would know then! I still think it's just a safe outlet for most people, but even a broken clock is right twice a day lol
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Could be true for some folks that don't know...but it sucks. Guessing many other opportunities were turned down to do this show, especially if they were part of the original crew.
Here's what Michael Moore says about it, in case anyone cares.
"I have known Roseanne Barr for over 25 years. I've known her as Roseanne Barr, Roseanne Arnold, just "Roseanne", then back to Roseanne Barr. I've spent time in her home, criss-crossed the country with her to help remove George W. Bush from the White House, appeared on her shows, been there for her when she needed something, and connected her with one of my producers who did an insightful, one-of-a-kind documentary into the genius and the tragedy that is Roseanne Barr.
On Tuesday Roseanne posted hateful, slanderous tweets directed at four people: George Soros, Valerie Jarrett, Chelsea Clinton and me. A few hours later, she was fired by ABC.
For the past few years, Roseanne has been posting the craziest stuff on Twitter, like claiming Hillary was part of a child sex abuse ring being run out of a DC pizza place. She's claimed that the Clintons have murdered people. And anyone who criticizes Benjamin Netanyahu is a "nazi."
Roseanne seems to be suffering from some sort of madness. It's more than just saying she's a racist. She operates in the same sewer of lies, conspiracy theories and bigotry that's been rising in America for years and that has now succeeded in electing our current president. Totally nuts.
Here's who's not crazy: Donald J. Trump.
Trump, though he shows all the signs of being absolutely bonkers, is not insane. He's the real deal. His racism and hate is real, it's well thought-out, he's the true master of manipulation, a brilliant performance artist, and an evil genius. He outsmarted a nation of liberals and Democrats and won the White House by losing the actual vote of the people. He neutered and then destroyed the Grand Old Republican Party. He knows exactly what he is doing.
Roseanne, on the other hand, is a person who long ago broke through and brought an authentic voice of working women and men to television via one of the greatest TV series of all time. It was groundbreaking because the TV industry had historically either ignored, ridiculed or patronized those of us who grew up in the working class. Roseanne changed that.
But she is also a damaged soul. Most people don't know that she has suffered her entire life from a massive head injury she received during a serious car accident when she was a child. Her brain injuries were immense and she spent months in the hospital struggling to recover.
I also have no idea what it was like to grow up, as she did, as a Jewish girl in Salt Lake City. Not a tolerant state, to be sure. She told me how her parents, who owned an apartment building, were asked by the U.S. government after World War II if they would be willing to house Holocaust survivors who had come to the U.S. as refugees. Her parents took dozens in, and Roseanne's childhood was spent with these survivors as her "family." "The stories they told me," she said, "were filled with unimaginable horror. I've always wondered what effect that had on me as a little girl."
Now, sadly, for the past few years, Roseanne has been in a downward spiral, ranting like crazy on Twitter, spreading conspiracy theories, attacking the people she used to love, supporting Trump, and being just an outright hateful and racist person. It has been a difficult decline to witness. She has repeatedly attacked me, and on Tuesday, after calling George Soros a "Nazi" (he's a Jew and a Holocaust survivor), Valerie Jarrett an offspring "of the Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes," and saying that Chelsea was "married to" a Nazi relative of George Soros, she then retweeted a disgusting new word for me because I have spoken out against the Netanyahu government and its killing of Palestinians -- "#JewHater". Nonstop insanity and sickness.
I guess there might be 20 million Americans (out of 320 million) who probably agree with her. She has thrown down with the lowest of the low, and who knows if she’ll ever recover from this descent into her own personal hell.
To close, I want to say just how great the new Roseanne show was. It was funny but brutal to watch because it showed how our system of greed has hurt millions of families like the Connors of Illinois. On the final episode last week, Roseanne was addicted to opioids because she couldn't afford the knee surgery she needed, so she suffered along in agonizing pain. Dan, her husband, in order to raise money for her surgery, decided to take a non-union job -- and Roseanne berates him for doing so and letting his union brothers and sisters down. There are a couple quick knocks on Trump, making it clear that the real Roseanne was not writing or running this show. For the past 9 weeks, the new Roseanne show has shined a powerful and necessary light on what it means to be working class in 2018. Her blended family on this new series was white and black and LGBTQ, and her generous neighbors next door were Muslims who forced her to confront her own bigotry.
If only her art could have helped her in her real life.
(Also, let me say this: There's no reason the show has to go just because she's gone. Over the years, TV has found ways to bring Bobby Ewing back from the dead on “Dallas”, forced us to accept the two Darrins on “Bewitched”, and found ways for hit shows to survive when their stars bolted after a year or two [David Caruso on "NYPD Blue", Pernell Roberts on "Bonanza"]. The smart people who were writing this Roseanne series can surely find a way to let the non-bigoted portion of the America's working class [which I can tell you is the VAST majority] have their voice heard on network television. Why should it be silenced by one lost soul?)"
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A conservative friend of mine posted about Bee's statement being in the same league as Barr's. He wasn't defending Barr, but was claiming it was a double standard. Then a friend of his replied with the below. I looked at the woman's profile. Under her name it says: Catholic. Conservative. Patriot. This was her reply:
A conservative friend of mine posted about Bee's statement being in the same league as Barr's. He wasn't defending Barr, but was claiming it was a double standard. Then a friend of his replied with the below. I looked at the woman's profile. Under her name it says: Catholic. Conservative. Patriot. This was her reply:
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The reboot was horrible so I can't imagine The Conners being any better. The acting was just...terrible. Even John Goodman who is usually such a good actor. I just want someone to tell me what happened to Andy and Fred.
I didn't think it was terrible. The acting might not have been top-notch, but it was amusing overall. Full disclosure: I thought the original show was great.
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The double standard is truly astounding... and people are falling for this bullshit
Ted Nugent also has a new gun line called "The Spearchucker".... which was featured at the annual NRA meeting, of course
Keep worrying about Samantha Bee America... let me know when comedians show up in Charlottesville with shields and torches
From early 2001-2008 and from early 2017 till now if you made a joke or insulted the president you were a bad American and were told to leave the country.
From early 2009 till now it was okay to compare President Obama and his wife and kids to apes and gorillas and other racially insulting words/terms.
ABC may be throwing Roseanne a lifeline — without star Roseanne Barr. The network is reportedly toying with the idea of rebooting the show around Sara Gilbert’s character, Darlene.
According to TVLine, Darlene was one of five offshoots proposed to the network in the wake of Tuesday’s drama. TMZ reports that Gilbert has been calling cast members to gauge their interest, and John Goodman seems eager. Tom Werner, whose company produced Roseanne, is also involved in the effort, according to the outlet. CNN has confirmed the reports as well.
The worst part about this whole thing is how damaging her comments were to the people working on the show to put food on their tables.
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The "feel bad for crew" is just a safe outlet to express dismay with social pressure like this, IMO.
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I still think it's just a safe outlet for most people, but even a broken clock is right twice a day lol
On Tuesday Roseanne posted hateful, slanderous tweets directed at four people: George Soros, Valerie Jarrett, Chelsea Clinton and me. A few hours later, she was fired by ABC.
For the past few years, Roseanne has been posting the craziest stuff on Twitter, like claiming Hillary was part of a child sex abuse ring being run out of a DC pizza place. She's claimed that the Clintons have murdered people. And anyone who criticizes Benjamin Netanyahu is a "nazi."
Roseanne seems to be suffering from some sort of madness. It's more than just saying she's a racist. She operates in the same sewer of lies, conspiracy theories and bigotry that's been rising in America for years and that has now succeeded in electing our current president. Totally nuts.
Here's who's not crazy: Donald J. Trump.
Trump, though he shows all the signs of being absolutely bonkers, is not insane. He's the real deal. His racism and hate is real, it's well thought-out, he's the true master of manipulation, a brilliant performance artist, and an evil genius. He outsmarted a nation of liberals and Democrats and won the White House by losing the actual vote of the people. He neutered and then destroyed the Grand Old Republican Party. He knows exactly what he is doing.
Roseanne, on the other hand, is a person who long ago broke through and brought an authentic voice of working women and men to television via one of the greatest TV series of all time. It was groundbreaking because the TV industry had historically either ignored, ridiculed or patronized those of us who grew up in the working class. Roseanne changed that.
But she is also a damaged soul. Most people don't know that she has suffered her entire life from a massive head injury she received during a serious car accident when she was a child. Her brain injuries were immense and she spent months in the hospital struggling to recover.
I also have no idea what it was like to grow up, as she did, as a Jewish girl in Salt Lake City. Not a tolerant state, to be sure. She told me how her parents, who owned an apartment building, were asked by the U.S. government after World War II if they would be willing to house Holocaust survivors who had come to the U.S. as refugees. Her parents took dozens in, and Roseanne's childhood was spent with these survivors as her "family." "The stories they told me," she said, "were filled with unimaginable horror. I've always wondered what effect that had on me as a little girl."
Now, sadly, for the past few years, Roseanne has been in a downward spiral, ranting like crazy on Twitter, spreading conspiracy theories, attacking the people she used to love, supporting Trump, and being just an outright hateful and racist person. It has been a difficult decline to witness. She has repeatedly attacked me, and on Tuesday, after calling George Soros a "Nazi" (he's a Jew and a Holocaust survivor), Valerie Jarrett an offspring "of the Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes," and saying that Chelsea was "married to" a Nazi relative of George Soros, she then retweeted a disgusting new word for me because I have spoken out against the Netanyahu government and its killing of Palestinians -- "#JewHater". Nonstop insanity and sickness.
I guess there might be 20 million Americans (out of 320 million) who probably agree with her. She has thrown down with the lowest of the low, and who knows if she’ll ever recover from this descent into her own personal hell.
To close, I want to say just how great the new Roseanne show was. It was funny but brutal to watch because it showed how our system of greed has hurt millions of families like the Connors of Illinois. On the final episode last week, Roseanne was addicted to opioids because she couldn't afford the knee surgery she needed, so she suffered along in agonizing pain. Dan, her husband, in order to raise money for her surgery, decided to take a non-union job -- and Roseanne berates him for doing so and letting his union brothers and sisters down. There are a couple quick knocks on Trump, making it clear that the real Roseanne was not writing or running this show. For the past 9 weeks, the new Roseanne show has shined a powerful and necessary light on what it means to be working class in 2018. Her blended family on this new series was white and black and LGBTQ, and her generous neighbors next door were Muslims who forced her to confront her own bigotry.
If only her art could have helped her in her real life.
(Also, let me say this: There's no reason the show has to go just because she's gone. Over the years, TV has found ways to bring Bobby Ewing back from the dead on “Dallas”, forced us to accept the two Darrins on “Bewitched”, and found ways for hit shows to survive when their stars bolted after a year or two [David Caruso on "NYPD Blue", Pernell Roberts on "Bonanza"]. The smart people who were writing this Roseanne series can surely find a way to let the non-bigoted portion of the America's working class [which I can tell you is the VAST majority] have their voice heard on network television. Why should it be silenced by one lost soul?)"
Catholic. Conservative. Patriot. This was her reply:
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Neither can I!
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I assumed Merkin Baller's point was that the pet rock was another stupid concept that made its originator a lot of money.
People love crap.