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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    OnWis97 said:
    I was very interested in a non-political business man/woman type candidate.  Unfortunately Trump is what we got....I was hoping more for someone that was use to working in a system and being accountable to a board and stockholders....not someone that ruled their business like a king and is now ruling their country like a king.

    Trump might be the biggest hypocrite of all considering all the comments about Obama that he has doubled down on.  Then again, maybe that 40% that like him are the biggest hypocrites in the world.
    Obviously someone who has spent his entire life surrounded by yes-men was going to struggle with the actual grind of slow-moving process and people who disagree with him.  I was worried about that, along with his general lack of qualification, from day 1 (though I think I still underestimated just how ill-suited he was to things that don't come easy).  One of the things we tend to idealize in America is the idea that success / money are totally self-made and indicative of hard / smart work.  It validates the wealthy and gives the rest of us (or our kids) something to shoot for.  Well Trump was "born on third" and most of us think he "got a triple."  He's not self-made at all. I would not even call him a successful businessperson.  So if you want a businessperson to get the job...yeah, wrong guy.  

    That said, I'm definitely not sold on a businessperson being president.  I know, I know, "career politicians" are the worst.  But we are, at least to an extent, learning a bit about someone with no governmental experience doing the most demanding governmental job in the country, if not the world.  So could a reasonable, sane, self-made one do it?  Maybe.  But as someone that's worked primarily in government, the cliche/platitude of "government should run more like a business" always makes me chuckle.  Of the public offices I've worked in, I promise you that conservatives (and, hopefully, liberals) would be most unhappy with those that act most like businesses.  What do businesses want to do? Grow.  And I worked for one that did just that.  And it was, among the places I've worked, probably the poorest at stewardship of public money.  That said, this does not mean a businessperson cannot do it.  But I get a little weary / cautious about the idea.  I also get a little weary about the whole "private employee good; public employee bad" belief that so many people have.  And the current guy does blatantly illegal things because in his first public job, he does not understand his role (but, you know, it's Trump, so we should not project that on the next person).
    I’m glad you posted this. My day has been too busy to post, but I also wanted to comment on the “we need a successful business person in government” mentality. The goals of business and government are not at all congruent, and skills learned in business aren’t easily employed in government. The goals of government, ideally, include providing services and managing the various programs to the community in an equitable, fair way that potentially includes all citizens (eg all citizens have access to public infrastructure like clean water, all citizens can access a mechanism to vote, etc). The goal of business is to make money for the owners or shareholders. People in business usually vastly underestimate how difficult the transition to government is. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    The real Comet Pizza?

    Yet Another Report Indicates That the Trump White House Worked Closely With a Twice-Convicted Pedophile - Slate https://apple.news/AHOUpFe5xSoSWojoZlrAX3Q
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,539
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    Wow. Just f**king wow.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,849
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    You never bought a $130 pen before you cheap ass?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,231
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    You never bought a $130 pen before you cheap ass?
    Only one with Ed on it where his clothes magically disappear when you turn it upside down :)

    In Pruitt's case, Donnys hair flips up.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    You never bought a $130 pen before you cheap ass?
    If I had a ton of cash pouring out of my pockets... I guess I'd buy some expensive pens.

    Decadence destroyed Rome.

    On another note, Maher had a great campaign slogan for democrats: Make America Sane Again.
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    Corny. 
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,937
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    I’m guessing I’m in the minority on this, but I can’t really say this is a problem on its own. Companies spend far more than $130 a person to attempt to increase morale. Bonuses, gifts, fancy dinners, you name it. The reality is, companies or public groups need to invest in their people for their people to genuinely invest in them. This is why charitable organizations are often led by high salaried ex-private CEOs: they spend money and make back multiples of it through greater efficiency.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,610
    benjs said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    I’m guessing I’m in the minority on this, but I can’t really say this is a problem on its own. Companies spend far more than $130 a person to attempt to increase morale. Bonuses, gifts, fancy dinners, you name it. The reality is, companies or public groups need to invest in their people for their people to genuinely invest in them. This is why charitable organizations are often led by high salaried ex-private CEOs: they spend money and make back multiples of it through greater efficiency.
    Except it’s the EPA, so that let me impress you bullshit doesn’t apply. 

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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,937
    benjs said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    I’m guessing I’m in the minority on this, but I can’t really say this is a problem on its own. Companies spend far more than $130 a person to attempt to increase morale. Bonuses, gifts, fancy dinners, you name it. The reality is, companies or public groups need to invest in their people for their people to genuinely invest in them. This is why charitable organizations are often led by high salaried ex-private CEOs: they spend money and make back multiples of it through greater efficiency.
    Except it’s the EPA, so that let me impress you bullshit doesn’t apply. 

    That's your opinion, I have mine. 

    When I hear about $43,000 spent on a soundproof room, $60,000 on his own travel, staying at the condos belonging to lobbyists, $30,000 for a trip to Italy, first-class flights for Pruitt, $20,000 for a four-day trip to Morocco (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/scott-pruitt-controversies-list/index.html), pardon me if I don't get up in arms over something that is relatively speaking completely insignificant, and at least benefited his team instead of him.
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,519
    Cohen is a real peach.  Sounds just like Trump.  Two peas in a pod


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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Boehner...Such a statesman.

    He never participated in any OBSTRUCTIONIST POLITICS like the DEMS do.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited June 2018
    “we need a successful business person in government” 

    He wasn't successful.  He wasn't even good at it.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited June 2018
    Scott Pruitt is STILL a POS.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,539
    edited June 2018
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    You never bought a $130 pen before you cheap ass?
    Not with tax payers money. But hey Team Trump Treason’s trips to Mar-I-Lieo to play golf has cost more than the Team Mueller investigation but who’s counting.
     
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,849
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    You never bought a $130 pen before you cheap ass?
    Not with tax payers money. But hey Team Trump Treason’s trips to Mar-I-Lieo to play golf has cost more than the Team Mueller investigation but who’s counting.
     
    I hope after you have that second cup of coffee you will realize that my question was thick with sarcasm.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    You never bought a $130 pen before you cheap ass?
    Not with tax payers money. But hey Team Trump Treason’s trips to Mar-I-Lieo to play golf has cost more than the Team Mueller investigation but who’s counting.
     
    I hope after you have that second cup of coffee you will realize that my question was thick with sarcasm.  
    And maybe after your fifth beer you’ll realize I was serious.
     

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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,849
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Wow. Just f**king wow.
    You never bought a $130 pen before you cheap ass?
    Not with tax payers money. But hey Team Trump Treason’s trips to Mar-I-Lieo to play golf has cost more than the Team Mueller investigation but who’s counting.
     
    I hope after you have that second cup of coffee you will realize that my question was thick with sarcasm.  
    And maybe after your fifth beer you’ll realize I was serious.
     

    lol.  touche!!!
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    Well, it seems “our” leadership is not respected everywhere and maybe, just maybe, this guy’s got a point or two?

    Renowned Economist Jeffrey Sachs Rips Trump As A Gibbering, 'Delusional' Threat - HuffPost https://apple.news/AzSbrcqWnQkWnjubv1t-2_g
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    See? It’s all it takes, give Team Trump Treason anything huuuuuger than the last guy and you become very honorable or have given Team Trump Treason the powers of telepathy. Like a six year old child, like a six year old delights in shiny objects and train sets. Suckers.

     
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    Now I realize that Team Trump Treason doesn’t write these all by himself but don’t you think as POTUS he’d review anything he was attaching his signature to? And don’t you think the POTUS should at least have a grasp of basic writing skills? But it’s still a rookie season a year and a half in.

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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,383
    Go FUCK yourself, Trump.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    Now why would Team Trump Treason do that? After all, “there was no collusion,” “I don’t know any Russians,” and, “I have nothing to hide.”

    Why?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/02/politics/trump-lawyers-statement-trump-tower-russians/index.html
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    “The President of the United States cannot obstruct Justice.” Let that sink in. Welcome to the junta!

    And for you casual readers or wavering Team Trump Treason supporters who still haven’t given up or only have one faux source of information, Team Trump Treason’s attorneys are trying to make that legal, constitutional argument. By vested constitutional authority he’s above the law. Let that sink in. Or, please, try to defend it, suckers.
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