It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase. Something like a hunter safety course.
Is anyone against training? I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A.
From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”. Anyone against training is being a bit extreme. I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers. Training only benefits everyone.
I guarantee that the same arguments used to fight gun registration would be used on training. It's just a way for the gov't to track you down and kill you first when Darth Obama seizes power.
Not if the info is not entered in a database. Just do a certificate with a seal that has to be displayed during a firearm purchase. I think it has been posted here before that a overwhelming majority of gun owners support training.
It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase. Something like a hunter safety course.
Is anyone against training? I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A.
From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”. Anyone against training is being a bit extreme. I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers. Training only benefits everyone.
I guarantee that the same arguments used to fight gun registration would be used on training. It's just a way for the gov't to track you down and kill you first when Darth Obama seizes power.
Not if the info is not entered in a database. Just do a certificate with a seal that has to be displayed during a firearm purchase. I think it has been posted here before that a overwhelming majority of gun owners support training.
You're giving the right wing far too much credit. I can't see any scenario where they get behind it.
It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase. Something like a hunter safety course.
Is anyone against training? I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A.
From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”. Anyone against training is being a bit extreme. I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers. Training only benefits everyone.
I guarantee that the same arguments used to fight gun registration would be used on training. It's just a way for the gov't to track you down and kill you first when Darth Obama seizes power.
Not if the info is not entered in a database. Just do a certificate with a seal that has to be displayed during a firearm purchase. I think it has been posted here before that a overwhelming majority of gun owners support training.
You're giving the right wing far too much credit. I can't see any scenario where they get behind it.
The chances are better than them getting behind bans...
It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase. Something like a hunter safety course.
Is anyone against training? I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A.
From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”. Anyone against training is being a bit extreme. I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers. Training only benefits everyone.
training does not constitute well-regulated. by and large, depending on your local laws, you are free to do with your gun as you wish once you leave your training. well-regulated would mean laws governing how you handle and store your firearm, from purchase to disposal.
Everyone seems to have their different opinions as to what constitutes “well regulated”.
to me regulation means on-going, subject to laws and regulations, like licensing to drive. not a single event with a certificate.
It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase. Something like a hunter safety course.
Is anyone against training? I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A.
From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”. Anyone against training is being a bit extreme. I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers. Training only benefits everyone.
training does not constitute well-regulated. by and large, depending on your local laws, you are free to do with your gun as you wish once you leave your training. well-regulated would mean laws governing how you handle and store your firearm, from purchase to disposal.
Everyone seems to have their different opinions as to what constitutes “well regulated”.
to me regulation means on-going, subject to laws and regulations, like licensing to drive. not a single event with a certificate.
This is a Supreme Court decision...and firearms are subject to many laws and regulations already, but will never be enough for some just as there will never be too few for others.
Add Freedom of the Press to the list of causes for our epidemic of gun violence. Imagine, not being able to link to a story of a good guy with a gun stopping a “responsible” gun owner until they’re not? How will you ever go on?
I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Agreed.
Glad the shooter didn’t get a chance to shoot anyone else. Fact remains he got into the place and shot people and was running away when shot. So I hope the narrative doesn’t try to become that a civilian with a gun stopped a shooting.... cause it didn’t.
Shooting just happened at a middle school in Noblesville, IN
Just reporting one injury
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I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Agreed.
Glad the shooter didn’t get a chance to shoot anyone else. Fact remains he got into the place and shot people and was running away when shot. So I hope the narrative doesn’t try to become that a civilian with a gun stopped a shooting.... cause it didn’t.
What I'm trying to do is stay away from scoreboard keeping on this issue... yesterday a "good guy with a gun" wins, that's one chit for the right wing. Today, a school shooting.. a chit for the gun control side. It's pointless. Something has to be done but we should be reasonable. There won't be laws against conceal carry anytime soon, we aren't going to outlaw handguns (2A) and there won't be a mandatory gun turn in program. So long as we create this clear divide in language, no change will happen. The key to creating some reasonable gun controls that will reduce the prevalence and scale, is to win the "middle". There will be no convincing the hard right. So if we use hard left language, we alienate the middle and they throw their hands up exasperated.
I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Judge, jury, executioner. “Confronted him outside.” Yup, Wild Wild West.
The shooter wore eye and hearing protection to his planned murder. He was an idiot and to be truthful, I'm completely okay with him meeting his end. The world doesn't need people like that anywhere.
The NRA is seizing the moment and promoting their company line at the moment (good guy with gun stops bad with gun). I guess we'll have to let them have their moment; however, it's a meaningless field goal at the end of a blowout (the score is now 77-3 in favour of the bad guys).
I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Judge, jury, executioner. “Confronted him outside.” Yup, Wild Wild West.
The shooter wore eye and hearing protection to his planned murder. He was an idiot and to be truthful, I'm completely okay with him meeting his end. The world doesn't need people like that anywhere.
The NRA is seizing the moment and promoting their company line at the moment (good guy with gun stops bad with gun). I guess we'll have to let them have their moment; however, it's a meaningless field goal at the end of a blowout (the score is now 77-3 in favour of the bad guys).
Good guy with a gun didnt stop anyone in this case.
I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Judge, jury, executioner. “Confronted him outside.” Yup, Wild Wild West.
The shooter wore eye and hearing protection to his planned murder. He was an idiot and to be truthful, I'm completely okay with him meeting his end. The world doesn't need people like that anywhere.
The NRA is seizing the moment and promoting their company line at the moment (good guy with gun stops bad with gun). I guess we'll have to let them have their moment; however, it's a meaningless field goal at the end of a blowout (the score is now 77-3 in favour of the bad guys).
Good guy with a gun didnt stop anyone in this case.
Debatable.
This was a homicidal loser who was armed, dangerous, and already tried to kill people dining. He very well may have been going home to retire his gun, goggles and ear muffs... but who's to say? And who cares? Good riddance.
To your point though... this may have been a case of an 'opportunist' seeking to engage in (as Halifax expressed) a 'wild wild west shootout'. Given the current conditions of the US... it seems to be par for the course though and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt considering the positive outcome.
Shooting just happened at a middle school in Noblesville, IN
Just reporting one injury
middle school!
you know what drives me nuts lately about CNN? Harvey Weinstein in handcuffs is their biggest headline on their website.
the school shooting you just mentioned is a blip.
yeah it's funny...I just turned on my news feed on my computer and heard some chatter with sirens in the background. I assumed it was my local school shooting being reported on, then the guys says "Mr Weinstein has turned...."
fucking pathetic
Word is two injured. One teacher one student. Shooter in custody. I assume there shooter was a student.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Shooting just happened at a middle school in Noblesville, IN
Just reporting one injury
middle school!
you know what drives me nuts lately about CNN? Harvey Weinstein in handcuffs is their biggest headline on their website.
the school shooting you just mentioned is a blip.
I don't know if that shouldn't be the headline. When you consider that the Weinstein story lead to one of the biggest news story in the past year and lead to one of the biggest movement in the past year. plus so far there doesn't seem to be alot of reports yet about the shooting.
Shooting just happened at a middle school in Noblesville, IN
Just reporting one injury
middle school!
you know what drives me nuts lately about CNN? Harvey Weinstein in handcuffs is their biggest headline on their website.
the school shooting you just mentioned is a blip.
I don't know if that shouldn't be the headline. When you consider that the Weinstein story lead to one of the biggest news story in the past year and lead to one of the biggest movement in the past year. plus so far there doesn't seem to be alot of reports yet about the shooting.
I agree in part. But it is part of a larger picture with CNN. more often than not, if there is an entertainment blockbuster at the same time as a societal blockbuster, entertainment gets the headline.
Shooting just happened at a middle school in Noblesville, IN
Just reporting one injury
middle school!
you know what drives me nuts lately about CNN? Harvey Weinstein in handcuffs is their biggest headline on their website.
the school shooting you just mentioned is a blip.
I don't know if that shouldn't be the headline. When you consider that the Weinstein story lead to one of the biggest news story in the past year and lead to one of the biggest movement in the past year. plus so far there doesn't seem to be alot of reports yet about the shooting.
I agree in part. But it is part of a larger picture with CNN. more often than not, if there is an entertainment blockbuster at the same time as a societal blockbuster, entertainment gets the headline.
I don't know if that is just a CNN thing or a for-profit news Media issue. but I do understand what you are saying
I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Agreed.
Glad the shooter didn’t get a chance to shoot anyone else. Fact remains he got into the place and shot people and was running away when shot. So I hope the narrative doesn’t try to become that a civilian with a gun stopped a shooting.... cause it didn’t.
What I'm trying to do is stay away from scoreboard keeping on this issue... yesterday a "good guy with a gun" wins, that's one chit for the right wing. Today, a school shooting.. a chit for the gun control side. It's pointless. Something has to be done but we should be reasonable. There won't be laws against conceal carry anytime soon, we aren't going to outlaw handguns (2A) and there won't be a mandatory gun turn in program. So long as we create this clear divide in language, no change will happen. The key to creating some reasonable gun controls that will reduce the prevalence and scale, is to win the "middle". There will be no convincing the hard right. So if we use hard left language, we alienate the middle and they throw their hands up exasperated.
My 2 hands cents
Agreed. We have to find a middle and try to make some type of real progress
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I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Judge, jury, executioner. “Confronted him outside.” Yup, Wild Wild West.
The shooter wore eye and hearing protection to his planned murder. He was an idiot and to be truthful, I'm completely okay with him meeting his end. The world doesn't need people like that anywhere.
The NRA is seizing the moment and promoting their company line at the moment (good guy with gun stops bad with gun). I guess we'll have to let them have their moment; however, it's a meaningless field goal at the end of a blowout (the score is now 77-3 in favour of the bad guys).
Good guy with a gun didnt stop anyone in this case.
I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there.
Judge, jury, executioner. “Confronted him outside.” Yup, Wild Wild West.
The shooter wore eye and hearing protection to his planned murder. He was an idiot and to be truthful, I'm completely okay with him meeting his end. The world doesn't need people like that anywhere.
The NRA is seizing the moment and promoting their company line at the moment (good guy with gun stops bad with gun). I guess we'll have to let them have their moment; however, it's a meaningless field goal at the end of a blowout (the score is now 77-3 in favour of the bad guys).
Good guy with a gun didnt stop anyone in this case.
And the next Good Guy with a Gun might get overzealous and shoot a jogger running in the general direction away from the scene.
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Shooting just happened at a middle school in Noblesville, IN
Just reporting one injury
middle school!
you know what drives me nuts lately about CNN? Harvey Weinstein in handcuffs is their biggest headline on their website.
the school shooting you just mentioned is a blip.
Weinstein news is big. But the shooting was more "breaking" so you are probably right.
We are becoming desensitized. Mass shootings are just a part of American life now. Statistically, you're still unlikely to be caught up in one but some people will be the unlucky ones and it's just so unnecessary.
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Shooting just happened at a middle school in Noblesville, IN
Just reporting one injury
middle school!
you know what drives me nuts lately about CNN? Harvey Weinstein in handcuffs is their biggest headline on their website.
the school shooting you just mentioned is a blip.
Weinstein news is big. But the shooting was more "breaking" so you are probably right.
We are becoming desensitized. Mass shootings are just a part of American life now. Statistically, you're still unlikely to be caught up in one but some people will be the unlucky ones and it's just so unnecessary.
Well, today's school shooting wasn't a mass shooting.... Yes, when the number of people shot in a school shooting is low, nobody's paying much attention, and when nobody even gets killed, heck, it's almost like a good day in the scheme of things.... I can't say I blame this on the news networks. They are just reporting what the masses have proven interests them the most.
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Didn’t the NRA take a lot of money from Russians Russians Russians? Like $30 million? Suckers. Ollie, oh Ollie? Can’t wait to to Fawn all over you.
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Just reporting one injury
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
My 2 hands cents
The NRA is seizing the moment and promoting their company line at the moment (good guy with gun stops bad with gun). I guess we'll have to let them have their moment; however, it's a meaningless field goal at the end of a blowout (the score is now 77-3 in favour of the bad guys).
Debatable.
This was a homicidal loser who was armed, dangerous, and already tried to kill people dining. He very well may have been going home to retire his gun, goggles and ear muffs... but who's to say? And who cares? Good riddance.
To your point though... this may have been a case of an 'opportunist' seeking to engage in (as Halifax expressed) a 'wild wild west shootout'. Given the current conditions of the US... it seems to be par for the course though and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt considering the positive outcome.
the school shooting you just mentioned is a blip.
Cheers,
HFD
fucking pathetic
Word is two injured. One teacher one student. Shooter in custody. I assume there shooter was a student.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
Cheers,
HFD
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We are becoming desensitized. Mass shootings are just a part of American life now. Statistically, you're still unlikely to be caught up in one but some people will be the unlucky ones and it's just so unnecessary.
2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin