Out of curiosity, I checked on that. No, Adam Lanza didn't attend private school. He attended public school (including Sandy Hook) for years, and then a public Intermediate school, and then home schooling, which seems to be when he got really weird. Doesn't say much for home schooling! Although in all fairness to his mother, perhaps she chose to home-school him because he was acting all fucked up, and not the other way around. (I do admit that I think home schooling is fucking weird unless absolutely necessary)
Why do you think home schooling is weird? I think a lot of the preconceived stigmas of homeschool kids has come from TV, movies or the families that gain notoriety in the media, which in truth aren't homeschooling, just deviant parents, but claim homeschool so they can prevent their kids from drawing attention to human services.
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
The public school system is required to make quite significant efforts to educate children in their catchment area. It isn’t easy to expel a child and many steps need to be taken first, whereas a private school is not compelled to take those steps at all.
But private schools don't just toss students willy-nilly. They do actually put an effort in to correct problematic behaviour. Expulsion is a last resort for them as well. Yes, they are compelled to take those steps, just for different reasons (reputation/political/$$$$/giving a shit).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
SO all things being equal, you would expect 90% of school shootings to be public. I think that is enough to explain it right there. But then you can also look into things like demographics of those kids, the types of famlies and so on. Violence in general is increased in kids from broken homes. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess fewer private school kids come from broken homes and have the resources to get help. I don't see how the school itself, what a private school does or doesn't do, or "slipping through the cracks" that others suggested has anything to do with it. When one group holds 90% of the population, they are going to have most of the problems too.
SO all things being equal, you would expect 90% of school shootings to be public. I think that is enough to explain it right there. But then you can also look into things like demographics of those kids, the types of famlies and so on. Violence in general is increased in kids from broken homes. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess fewer private school kids come from broken homes and have the resources to get help. I don't see how the school itself, what a private school does or doesn't do, or "slipping through the cracks" that others suggested has anything to do with it. When one group holds 90% of the population, they are going to have most of the problems too.
Right, it's statistical of course. Second, parents of private school children are far more likely to be engaged in their child's lives than public school (as a %). I don't have any data to support it, but it makes practical sense since they are paying for school. I have to believe they would be more tuned into their kids' lives and warning signs.
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Wait, but these were essentially cops. I thought you were anti-cop?
So hard to keep your line of thinking straight.
Only for those that can't understand the difference between protecting children and "protecting children".
Thinking must be tough when you believe a sign stops bad people, that you will ever ban something and get compliance, and that there are infinite genders.
Wait, but these were essentially cops. I thought you were anti-cop?
So hard to keep your line of thinking straight.
Only for those that can't understand the difference between protecting children and "protecting children".
Thinking must be tough when you believe a sign stops bad people, that you will ever ban something and get compliance, and that there are infinite genders.
Your last statement isn't really congruent with your other statements.
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Wait, but these were essentially cops. I thought you were anti-cop?
So hard to keep your line of thinking straight.
Only for those that can't understand the difference between protecting children and "protecting children".
Thinking must be tough when you believe a sign stops bad people, that you will ever ban something and get compliance, and that there are infinite genders.
Wait, but these were essentially cops. I thought you were anti-cop?
So hard to keep your line of thinking straight.
Only for those that can't understand the difference between protecting children and "protecting children".
Thinking must be tough when you believe a sign stops bad people, that you will ever ban something and get compliance, and that there are infinite genders.
What happens if you don't speak or think in quotes?
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
So is their protocol. They are able to demand and enforce tighter behaviour. Simply put: they don't have to tolerate as much poor behaviour as public schools do.
Wait, but these were essentially cops. I thought you were anti-cop?
So hard to keep your line of thinking straight.
Only for those that can't understand the difference between protecting children and "protecting children".
Thinking must be tough when you believe a sign stops bad people, that you will ever ban something and get compliance, and that there are infinite genders.
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
So is their protocol. They are able to demand and enforce tighter behaviour. Simply put: they don't have to tolerate as much poor behaviour as public schools do.
What are we even debating here? I think your last point was also my point. Did you read my initial post about this?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
I would agree more with 30. It is so much easier to expel a student at a private school. It is incredibly difficult at a public school today. A private school with a high enrollment and wait list can and do expel kids even for grades. My wife went to a private school (she hated it) it was an extremely strict Christian school. They had a demerit system, and at a certain point you got expelled. You got demerits for wearing jeans, she actually knows several people who were expelled their senior year for something that stupid. You got demerits for being tardy to class. She told me one day her friend built up enough small demerits from things like that, and one day showed up in jeans and got expelled. I think drugs and alcohol was an immediate expulsion. Now kids can deal and do drugs at public school and get a 3-day suspension for it. Unfortunately public schools are forced to keep problem kids all the time. It actually is a major problem, how difficult it is to expel a student and how tolerant public schools have become of behavior, even violent behavior. Private schools who struggle for enrollment are probably a lot more tolerant, but there are many that are not.
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
So is their protocol. They are able to demand and enforce tighter behaviour. Simply put: they don't have to tolerate as much poor behaviour as public schools do.
What are we even debating here? I think your last point was also my point. Did you read my initial post about this?
Yes.
You stated this: Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I'm saying that isn't true.
I'm saying that public schools are forced to keep problem kids at their school and have very little leverage to demand proper behaviour. As a result (and among many items relevant to this fact that I don't wish to understate), chronic bullies torment good kids on a daily basis and teachers become exasperated dealing with poor behaviours that don't quite cross the line for administrative referral.
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
I would agree more with 30. It is so much easier to expel a student at a private school. It is incredibly difficult at a public school today. A private school with a high enrollment and wait list can and do expel kids even for grades. My wife went to a private school (she hated it) it was an extremely strict Christian school. They had a demerit system, and at a certain point you got expelled. You got demerits for wearing jeans, she actually knows several people who were expelled their senior year for something that stupid. You got demerits for being tardy to class. She told me one day her friend built up enough small demerits from things like that, and one day showed up in jeans and got expelled. I think drugs and alcohol was an immediate expulsion. Now kids can deal and do drugs at public school and get a 3-day suspension for it. Unfortunately public schools are forced to keep problem kids all the time. It actually is a major problem, how difficult it is to expel a student and how tolerant public schools have become of behavior, even violent behavior. Private schools who struggle for enrollment are probably a lot more tolerant, but there are many that are not.
Again, do you guys even understand what my initial point was? It doesn't seem like it. You seem to be assuming I'm somehow trying to give credit to private schools or something? I'm not. I actually said I don't think they should even be legal. FWIW, I come from a family of public educators/school administrators, so I'm pretty aware of how it works. As for silly private school demerits... what dumb kid would wear jeans to a school where everyone is wearing a uniform? I've known tons of people who went to private school or kids who go now, and that shit just isn't happening, and there are very few expulsions happening at all because the kids are indeed better controlled and behaved because of all the reasons I already said.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
So is their protocol. They are able to demand and enforce tighter behaviour. Simply put: they don't have to tolerate as much poor behaviour as public schools do.
What are we even debating here? I think your last point was also my point. Did you read my initial post about this?
Yes.
You stated this: Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I'm saying that isn't true.
I'm saying that public schools are forced to keep problem kids at their school and have very little leverage to demand proper behaviour. As a result (and among many items relevant to this fact that I don't wish to understate), chronic bullies torment good kids on a daily basis and teachers become exasperated dealing with poor behaviours that don't quite cross the line for administrative referral.
You convinced me, I’m sending my child to a private school. Public education is bogged down by legislation and provides a second rate education. Why would anyone that could afford a private school not send their kid there? Once the public education system pulls its head out of its ass, I may reconsider.
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
So is their protocol. They are able to demand and enforce tighter behaviour. Simply put: they don't have to tolerate as much poor behaviour as public schools do.
What are we even debating here? I think your last point was also my point. Did you read my initial post about this?
Yes.
You stated this: Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I'm saying that isn't true.
I'm saying that public schools are forced to keep problem kids at their school and have very little leverage to demand proper behaviour. As a result (and among many items relevant to this fact that I don't wish to understate), chronic bullies torment good kids on a daily basis and teachers become exasperated dealing with poor behaviours that don't quite cross the line for administrative referral.
You convinced me, I’m sending my child to a private school. Public education is bogged down by legislation and provides a second rate education. Why would anyone that could afford a private school not send their kid there? Once the public education system pulls its head out of its ass, I may reconsider.
A nice place to start would be to stop voting for people who cut public education then.
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
So is their protocol. They are able to demand and enforce tighter behaviour. Simply put: they don't have to tolerate as much poor behaviour as public schools do.
What are we even debating here? I think your last point was also my point. Did you read my initial post about this?
Yes.
You stated this: Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I'm saying that isn't true.
I'm saying that public schools are forced to keep problem kids at their school and have very little leverage to demand proper behaviour. As a result (and among many items relevant to this fact that I don't wish to understate), chronic bullies torment good kids on a daily basis and teachers become exasperated dealing with poor behaviours that don't quite cross the line for administrative referral.
You convinced me, I’m sending my child to a private school. Public education is bogged down by legislation and provides a second rate education. Why would anyone that could afford a private school not send their kid there? Once the public education system pulls its head out of its ass, I may reconsider.
Hell, anyone who can afford a private school should 100% get their kids in there. Until the public school system is fixed so that the private school system can be dismantled and all children can have the same educational opportunities, you are pretty much guaranteed to give your children a way better education if you send them to private school. Sad but true. It's a terrible, terrible situation that our fucked up society has created. But digin is right: We all need to support those who will actually work towards improving the public education system... And those are NOT conservatives, unfortunately for all the conservatives who still wish education was a priority.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I've actually given some serious thought to quitting my job and home-schooling my kids. We're right on that cusp at which we can't afford private schools in our area, and yet we don't qualify for any sort of financial aid.
It sucks because when I was a kid, the public schools had gifted programs where I grew up for those kids who excelled in their schoolwork. They don't have that where I live, and my daughter who excels is basically given busy work to do during class. Her teacher is awesome and is doing all she can with the resources at her disposal, basically letting my daughter check out more challenging books from the library (which can be tricky because the subject matter isn't always age appropriate) and getting math worksheets from her colleagues from one and two grade levels up for my daughter to do, but everyone fears that my daughter is getting bored. Also, this pretty much singles her out in class, and feeling somewhat outcast, she's made some poor choices to try to fit in with her classmates
I have no such concerns for my son. He'll probably be held back -- that is, if he doesn't burn down the school (accidentally, of course).
Home schooled kids are usually weird, don't do it, lol. No matter what you try to do to counteract it, that they are separated that much from their peers and not sharing so many experiences daily with them can't be good for them socially. Not to mention the complete lack of variety in their education that home schooling necessitates. (obviously do what you think is best... I'm just saying that I think home schooling pretty much sucks for the kids generally... However, there some obvious exceptions to every rule).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have no idea, but to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible for a private school to house a monster, lol. Of course any school can have a psychopath as a student, or an extremely troubled or abused student, or a mentally ill student. I'm just saying that the chances of a school shooter coming out of a private school (and thus shooting up a private school) are much, much smaller for the reasons I mentioned. Far fewer kids slip through the cracks at private schools.
Fewer may “slip through the cracks”, but I think it’s fair to say that private schools expel most of the kids with any significant behavioural issues. They aren’t required to try to educate these kids, the way that public schools are. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all, because there’s a large selection bias.
Where are you getting that info? Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I would guess that most private school kids who are expelled end up at another private school.
Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
No, it is true, if you read what I actually said. I know about progressive discipline and acknowledge it. My point was that private schools do it too. It's just that their motives for doing it are different.
I would agree more with 30. It is so much easier to expel a student at a private school. It is incredibly difficult at a public school today. A private school with a high enrollment and wait list can and do expel kids even for grades. My wife went to a private school (she hated it) it was an extremely strict Christian school. They had a demerit system, and at a certain point you got expelled. You got demerits for wearing jeans, she actually knows several people who were expelled their senior year for something that stupid. You got demerits for being tardy to class. She told me one day her friend built up enough small demerits from things like that, and one day showed up in jeans and got expelled. I think drugs and alcohol was an immediate expulsion. Now kids can deal and do drugs at public school and get a 3-day suspension for it. Unfortunately public schools are forced to keep problem kids all the time. It actually is a major problem, how difficult it is to expel a student and how tolerant public schools have become of behavior, even violent behavior. Private schools who struggle for enrollment are probably a lot more tolerant, but there are many that are not.
Again, do you guys even understand what my initial point was? It doesn't seem like it. You seem to be assuming I'm somehow trying to give credit to private schools or something? I'm not. I actually said I don't think they should even be legal. FWIW, I come from a family of public educators/school administrators, so I'm pretty aware of how it works. As for silly private school demerits... what dumb kid would wear jeans to a school where everyone is wearing a uniform? I've known tons of people who went to private school or kids who go now, and that shit just isn't happening, and there are very few expulsions happening at all because the kids are indeed better controlled and behaved because of all the reasons I already said.
I guess not. I thought your point was public and private schools both have equal difficult (or ease) of expelling kids? I was just saying its much harder for a public school. Basically impossible unless they are a proven threat, and even then it is still questionable. Much harder for public schools. You said "public schools expel kids all the time", and that "no school has to keep a problem kid." Those were the comments I was responding to because that is not even close to the case. Its very difficult for schools to expel kids and they are forced to keep a lot of problem students. Private schools are not held to those same standards. Was that not your point?
Home schooled kids are usually weird, don't do it, lol. No matter what you try to do to counteract it, that they are separated that much from their peers and not sharing so many experiences daily with them can't be good for them socially. Not to mention the complete lack of variety in their education that home schooling necessitates. (obviously do what you think is best... I'm just saying that I think home schooling pretty much sucks for the kids generally... However, there some obvious exceptions to every rule).
We’re also considering moving to a place that still has public schools with gifted programs. If only we hadn’t fucked our way out of Brooklyn.
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Not true.
A kid can be expelled from a school, but it takes a lot of 'incidents' before that occurs.
There's a thing called 'progressive discipline' which allows for a lot of really poor behaviour. And I mean really poor behaviour. Administrators cannot exercise judgement- they've been rendered useless.
With that said, a major episode can expedite the process somewhat... but a 'major episode' is usually something that damages somebody.
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And of course the coward apogizes and asks for forgiveness... a lot of fake tough guys these days, the GOP seems to have the market cornered
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Only 10% of kids are in private schools
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-jennings/proportion-of-us-students_b_2950948.html
SO all things being equal, you would expect 90% of school shootings to be public.
I think that is enough to explain it right there. But then you can also look into things like demographics of those kids, the types of famlies and so on. Violence in general is increased in kids from broken homes. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess fewer private school kids come from broken homes and have the resources to get help.
I don't see how the school itself, what a private school does or doesn't do, or "slipping through the cracks" that others suggested has anything to do with it.
When one group holds 90% of the population, they are going to have most of the problems too.
Second, parents of private school children are far more likely to be engaged in their child's lives than public school (as a %). I don't have any data to support it, but it makes practical sense since they are paying for school. I have to believe they would be more tuned into their kids' lives and warning signs.
Thinking must be tough when you believe a sign stops bad people, that you will ever ban something and get compliance, and that there are infinite genders.
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I would agree more with 30.
It is so much easier to expel a student at a private school. It is incredibly difficult at a public school today.
A private school with a high enrollment and wait list can and do expel kids even for grades. My wife went to a private school (she hated it) it was an extremely strict Christian school. They had a demerit system, and at a certain point you got expelled. You got demerits for wearing jeans, she actually knows several people who were expelled their senior year for something that stupid. You got demerits for being tardy to class. She told me one day her friend built up enough small demerits from things like that, and one day showed up in jeans and got expelled. I think drugs and alcohol was an immediate expulsion. Now kids can deal and do drugs at public school and get a 3-day suspension for it.
Unfortunately public schools are forced to keep problem kids all the time. It actually is a major problem, how difficult it is to expel a student and how tolerant public schools have become of behavior, even violent behavior.
Private schools who struggle for enrollment are probably a lot more tolerant, but there are many that are not.
Yes.
You stated this: Public schools expel kids all the time - no school is forced to keep a problem kid at the school. I'm saying that isn't true.
I'm saying that public schools are forced to keep problem kids at their school and have very little leverage to demand proper behaviour. As a result (and among many items relevant to this fact that I don't wish to understate), chronic bullies torment good kids on a daily basis and teachers become exasperated dealing with poor behaviours that don't quite cross the line for administrative referral.
FWIW, I come from a family of public educators/school administrators, so I'm pretty aware of how it works. As for silly private school demerits... what dumb kid would wear jeans to a school where everyone is wearing a uniform? I've known tons of people who went to private school or kids who go now, and that shit just isn't happening, and there are very few expulsions happening at all because the kids are indeed better controlled and behaved because of all the reasons I already said.
It sucks because when I was a kid, the public schools had gifted programs where I grew up for those kids who excelled in their schoolwork. They don't have that where I live, and my daughter who excels is basically given busy work to do during class. Her teacher is awesome and is doing all she can with the resources at her disposal, basically letting my daughter check out more challenging books from the library (which can be tricky because the subject matter isn't always age appropriate) and getting math worksheets from her colleagues from one and two grade levels up for my daughter to do, but everyone fears that my daughter is getting bored. Also, this pretty much singles her out in class, and feeling somewhat outcast, she's made some poor choices to try to fit in with her classmates
I have no such concerns for my son. He'll probably be held back -- that is, if he doesn't burn down the school (accidentally, of course).
Was that not your point?
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