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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 12,075
    My mother thought that she might’ve killed a person once in the mid-1970s. She didn’t really care to know at the time whether or not she had killed the person. It was a fight AND flight situation.

    I think she found out later that the person was still alive. I’ve never checked it out, though. Not really my concern. 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 8,780
    dankind said:
    My mother thought that she might’ve killed a person once in the mid-1970s. She didn’t really care to know at the time whether or not she had killed the person. It was a fight AND flight situation.

    I think she found out later that the person was still alive. I’ve never checked it out, though. Not really my concern. 

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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 12,075
    Poncier said:
    dankind said:
    My mother thought that she might’ve killed a person once in the mid-1970s. She didn’t really care to know at the time whether or not she had killed the person. It was a fight AND flight situation.

    I think she found out later that the person was still alive. I’ve never checked it out, though. Not really my concern. 

    Shouldn't you be concerned about whether your Dad is alive?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    A friend of mine in high school became a two-time murderer, starting maybe a couple years after graduation. He murdered the first person in cold blood - totally innocent victim who he didn't know but stabbed to death at a party when he was in a rage. He just attacked the first person he saw. And then he was released under extenuating circumstances (drunk and with a learning disability leading to rage problems apparently), and he did it again, basically the same exact scenario. He was let out again (he had to do intensive counseling and shit). Last I heard he's happily married. He might have kids now. :disappointed: That must be VERY upsetting for the families of his victims.
    The crazy thing is that he was a nice guy. He did get in fights once in a while, but besides that, he was alright, and I never thought he'd be dangerous to anyone. I hung out with him often enough. I liked him. My parents both taught him and they liked him too. And he was from a very nice, stable family with parents who really cared and two very successful siblings. He just had a screw loose... he would snap and be unable to control himself (and it was worse when he drank).

    For those that are thinking, "What the f**k?" ... please understand this happened in Canada. Our courts love our murderers up here and do everything to avoid punishing them.
    I was waiting for you to chime in on this one. 
    Lol. I knew for sure that Thirty would reply to that one... although I'm pretty sure we talked about this case before Thirty. I don't have a super one-sided attitude about this like your do (or maybe just am not inspired to generalize about it like your are, or to exaggerate or use sarcasm the way you do with it), but of course I acknowledge that sentences for violent offenders in Canada are really lacking far too often (not even close to always), and it's a real problem that badly needs to be addressed. I don't think I've ever met a Canadian who didn't think that. That is why I continue to be surprised that the justice system/government doesn't confront this problem. I mean, what in the fuck is stopping them?? It's not like they're being lobbied by child molesters and murderers.
    I assume your comments about generalizing and sarcasm and exaggeration are directed at Thirty? if not i'm confused......
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,074
    edited March 9
    Wow, blown away by all of these comments about people that know a murderer. I really had to to rack my brain, but I cannot think of anyone that I’ve ever known that has become a murderer.  I’m sure it would make my hair stand if I found out otherwise.
    One of my friends (a great and talented upcoming musician) was murdered my a psycho suicidal person that drove her car head on into him on the highway, though.  
    This was him:
    http://www.makeajsmusicmatter.com/
    This song brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it.  This is AJ Swope:
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    PJPOWER said:
    Wow, blown away by all of these comments about people that know a murderer. I really had to to rack my brain, but I cannot think of anyone that I’ve ever known that has become a murderer.  I’m sure it would make my hair stand if I found out otherwise.
    One of my friends (a great and talented upcoming musician) was murdered my a psycho suicidal person that drove her car head on into him on the highway, though.  
    This was him:
    http://www.makeajsmusicmatter.com/
    This song brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it.  This is AJ Swope:
    https://youtu.be/IDOLnYcFjas
    me too. only notables I know are two people I grew up with, Jennifer Jones (famous Canadian curler) and Monica Mendez (semi-known porn star). 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 3,476
    PJPOWER said:
    Wow, blown away by all of these comments about people that know a murderer. I really had to to rack my brain, but I cannot think of anyone that I’ve ever known that has become a murderer.  I’m sure it would make my hair stand if I found out otherwise.
    One of my friends (a great and talented upcoming musician) was murdered my a psycho suicidal person that drove her car head on into him on the highway, though.  
    This was him:
    http://www.makeajsmusicmatter.com/
    This song brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it.  This is AJ Swope:
    https://youtu.be/IDOLnYcFjas
    me too. only notables I know are two people I grew up with, Jennifer Jones (famous Canadian curler) and Monica Mendez (semi-known porn star). 
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  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SCPosts: 4,280
    A guy I went to high school with killed someone in a bar fight when I was in college. From what I remember, details were sketchy about why they were fighting and what actually happened during the fight. The other guy initially survived, but died a day or 2 later in the hospital. It's jarring to find out about something like that, but knowing who that classmate was, I wasn't shocked about it. He came from a well to do family and they hired a lawyer that was able to get him little to no jail time.
    Was this in Columbia?
    No. It happened somewhere upstate. Spartanburg if I recall correctly. I just remember someone sending me a link to the newspaper write up about it.
  • As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,584
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    A friend of mine in high school became a two-time murderer, starting maybe a couple years after graduation. He murdered the first person in cold blood - totally innocent victim who he didn't know but stabbed to death at a party when he was in a rage. He just attacked the first person he saw. And then he was released under extenuating circumstances (drunk and with a learning disability leading to rage problems apparently), and he did it again, basically the same exact scenario. He was let out again (he had to do intensive counseling and shit). Last I heard he's happily married. He might have kids now. :disappointed: That must be VERY upsetting for the families of his victims.
    The crazy thing is that he was a nice guy. He did get in fights once in a while, but besides that, he was alright, and I never thought he'd be dangerous to anyone. I hung out with him often enough. I liked him. My parents both taught him and they liked him too. And he was from a very nice, stable family with parents who really cared and two very successful siblings. He just had a screw loose... he would snap and be unable to control himself (and it was worse when he drank).

    For those that are thinking, "What the f**k?" ... please understand this happened in Canada. Our courts love our murderers up here and do everything to avoid punishing them.
    I was waiting for you to chime in on this one. 
    Lol. I knew for sure that Thirty would reply to that one... although I'm pretty sure we talked about this case before Thirty. I don't have a super one-sided attitude about this like your do (or maybe just am not inspired to generalize about it like your are, or to exaggerate or use sarcasm the way you do with it), but of course I acknowledge that sentences for violent offenders in Canada are really lacking far too often (not even close to always), and it's a real problem that badly needs to be addressed. I don't think I've ever met a Canadian who didn't think that. That is why I continue to be surprised that the justice system/government doesn't confront this problem. I mean, what in the fuck is stopping them?? It's not like they're being lobbied by child molesters and murderers.
    I assume your comments about generalizing and sarcasm and exaggeration are directed at Thirty? if not i'm confused......
    Yes, they were directed at Thirty.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.
    the guy died?
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 13,958
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYCPosts: 24,223
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 13,958
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    not murder. murder requires some type of intent. protection is not intent. manslaughter at best.
  • KC138045KC138045 Columbus, OHPosts: 2,635
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    I dated a girl in high school who's ex was the angry jealous type.  She went to another school and I went to surprise her one day after school not knowing that she wasn't going to be there.  My buddy went with me and while waiting in the parking lot we noticed these two guys watching us for a while.  I came to find out one of them was her jealous ex who wanted to attack me but his friend(the other guy) talked him out of it.  She ended up dumping me to get back with him.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,584
    edited March 9
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    Interesting. I actually think that carrying a weapon because you have been threatened with a phyisical attack of any kind is perfectly reasonable. This is actually one of the few instances when I think carrying a concealed firearm is justified. I don't think that "just being afraid of getting beaten up with someone's fists" negates a person's right to defend themselves with a weapon. I know that if I was actually being legitimately threatened like that I would definitely want to carry a weapon with me until the threat was over, and it would be a weapon that could kill the person, i.e. a sharp object that I would try to stick into the person's jugular vein if they tried to attack me. To me, that would absolutely be justified self-defense.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    Interesting. I actually think that carrying a weapon because you have been threatened with a phyisical attack of any kind is perfectly reasonable. This is actually one of the few instances when I think carrying a concealed firearm is justified. I don't think that "just being afraid of getting beaten up with someone's fists" negates a person's right to defend themselves with a weapon. I know that if I was actually being legitimately threatened like that I would definitely want to carry a weapon with me until the threat was over, and it would be a weapon that could kill the person, i.e. a sharp object that I would try to stick into the person's jugular vein if they tried to attack me. To me, that would absolutely be justified self-defense.
    is there such a thing as premeditated self defence? if there was, this would be it. 
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 12,075
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    Interesting. I actually think that carrying a weapon because you have been threatened with a phyisical attack of any kind is perfectly reasonable. This is actually one of the few instances when I think carrying a concealed firearm is justified. I don't think that "just being afraid of getting beaten up with someone's fists" negates a person's right to defend themselves with a weapon. I know that if I was actually being legitimately threatened like that I would definitely want to carry a weapon with me until the threat was over, and it would be a weapon that could kill the person, i.e. a sharp object that I would try to stick into the person's jugular vein if they tried to attack me. To me, that would absolutely be justified self-defense.
    is there such a thing as premeditated self defence? if there was, this would be it. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,584
    edited March 9
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    Interesting. I actually think that carrying a weapon because you have been threatened with a phyisical attack of any kind is perfectly reasonable. This is actually one of the few instances when I think carrying a concealed firearm is justified. I don't think that "just being afraid of getting beaten up with someone's fists" negates a person's right to defend themselves with a weapon. I know that if I was actually being legitimately threatened like that I would definitely want to carry a weapon with me until the threat was over, and it would be a weapon that could kill the person, i.e. a sharp object that I would try to stick into the person's jugular vein if they tried to attack me. To me, that would absolutely be justified self-defense.
    is there such a thing as premeditated self defence? if there was, this would be it. 
    Huh? Premeditated self-defense? ... I guess.... what other kind of self-defense is there when you're being specifically threatened by someone? I think someone who is being threatened with violence and doesn't take precautions to defend themselves against such threats is a fool.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    Interesting. I actually think that carrying a weapon because you have been threatened with a phyisical attack of any kind is perfectly reasonable. This is actually one of the few instances when I think carrying a concealed firearm is justified. I don't think that "just being afraid of getting beaten up with someone's fists" negates a person's right to defend themselves with a weapon. I know that if I was actually being legitimately threatened like that I would definitely want to carry a weapon with me until the threat was over, and it would be a weapon that could kill the person, i.e. a sharp object that I would try to stick into the person's jugular vein if they tried to attack me. To me, that would absolutely be justified self-defense.
    is there such a thing as premeditated self defence? if there was, this would be it. 
    Huh? Premeditated self-defense? ... I guess.... what other kind of self-defense is there when you're being specifically threatened by someone? I think someone who is being threatened with violence and doesn't take precautions to defend themselves against such threats is a fool.
    I mean because it's not just protection,  you actually have a plan in place to kill the person, which isn't necessary if you are just being beaten up. 

    i had some bullies when I was growing up who constantly threatened my physical being......never crossed my mind to carry a lethal weapon. 
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 13,958
    Yeah sorry to jump the thread to another place.
    I know (and see here) many will disagree but hold my opinion that carrying a weapon because you are afraid to get beaten up and then using that weapon to cause a death is not OK. 
    Carrying a gun because you are afraid of being punched is, to me, a big part of what is wrong with things today. 
    The only reason to carry a gun is the intent to use it. 
    I never want to kill a person -- and I surely wouldn't want to take a person's life to avoid an ass kicking.  (Although I very much would like to avoid ever having my ass kicked again.  It is unpleasant.)
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    Yeah sorry to jump the thread to another place.
    I know (and see here) many will disagree but hold my opinion that carrying a weapon because you are afraid to get beaten up and then using that weapon to cause a death is not OK. 
    Carrying a gun because you are afraid of being punched is, to me, a big part of what is wrong with things today. 
    The only reason to carry a gun is the intent to use it. 
    I never want to kill a person -- and I surely wouldn't want to take a person's life to avoid an ass kicking.  (Although I very much would like to avoid ever having my ass kicked again.  It is unpleasant.)
    I once fought in grade school. I was in such a rage I blacked out and don't remember it. Not that I consider myself tough, but it scared me what could have happened. Vowed never to fight again, and I haven't. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,584
    edited March 9
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

    Sounds like self defense to me.  
    Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
    Take your ass kicking.
    Bring your friends
    Call the police
    Even bring a bat.
    Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
    I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
    That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

    Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)


    Interesting. I actually think that carrying a weapon because you have been threatened with a phyisical attack of any kind is perfectly reasonable. This is actually one of the few instances when I think carrying a concealed firearm is justified. I don't think that "just being afraid of getting beaten up with someone's fists" negates a person's right to defend themselves with a weapon. I know that if I was actually being legitimately threatened like that I would definitely want to carry a weapon with me until the threat was over, and it would be a weapon that could kill the person, i.e. a sharp object that I would try to stick into the person's jugular vein if they tried to attack me. To me, that would absolutely be justified self-defense.
    is there such a thing as premeditated self defence? if there was, this would be it. 
    Huh? Premeditated self-defense? ... I guess.... what other kind of self-defense is there when you're being specifically threatened by someone? I think someone who is being threatened with violence and doesn't take precautions to defend themselves against such threats is a fool.
    I mean because it's not just protection,  you actually have a plan in place to kill the person, which isn't necessary if you are just being beaten up. 

    i had some bullies when I was growing up who constantly threatened my physical being......never crossed my mind to carry a lethal weapon. 
    No, killing the person wouldn't actually be my specific goal. Trying to be 100% sure that I stop the person from hurting me would be... And I've learned well that if anyone tries to attack me, I go for the most vulnerable spots to stop him, and use the method that gives me the best chance of not getting hurt. That would be a sharp object in the jugular or the eyeball. The fact that that might kill the person is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned... it probably would... but that isn't my concern. Nor should it be anyone's concern if they are being physically attacked, IMO.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 13,958
    Yeah sorry to jump the thread to another place.
    I know (and see here) many will disagree but hold my opinion that carrying a weapon because you are afraid to get beaten up and then using that weapon to cause a death is not OK. 
    Carrying a gun because you are afraid of being punched is, to me, a big part of what is wrong with things today. 
    The only reason to carry a gun is the intent to use it. 
    I never want to kill a person -- and I surely wouldn't want to take a person's life to avoid an ass kicking.  (Although I very much would like to avoid ever having my ass kicked again.  It is unpleasant.)
    I once fought in grade school. I was in such a rage I blacked out and don't remember it. Not that I consider myself tough, but it scared me what could have happened. Vowed never to fight again, and I haven't. 
    I have not fought in years and I never (ever) want to again. 
    I am neither big, nor tough.
    I drank and ran my mouth a lot when younger.  A lot.  (Of both)  This eventually leads to things. 
    A random assault is different than carrying a weapon to stop from being punched.

    You know someone wants to beat you.
    We get hit, we hit.  Some things can break.
    Such is life.
    To me, ending another human being's life would never be worth saving myself some pain. 
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
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    As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.
    the guy died?

    Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 13,958
    As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.
    the guy died?

    Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife.
    Sorry that happened to your friend.  Did he go to jail for it or did they call it self defense?
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.
    the guy died?

    Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.
    I'd say it fits the bill. 
  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 5,996
    As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.
    the guy died?

    Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.
    Sounds like your friend performed a public service. Sorry he got jacked for it. I have no problem with violent assholes prematurely meeting their maker. Your buddy probably should have had a better lawyer.

    And back on the topic, a woman I was good friends with married a merchant marine. He was a crazy Guatemalan who I'd hung out with a few times. He was home after being away for months, and the woman's sister and brother-in-law were over at their place for dinner. The husband was drinking, got into an argument with the brother-in-law, grabbed a steak knife and drove it through the brother-in-law's heart and killed him, and took off. The woman called me in a panic and I went over there to see how she was doing. I knocked on the door, which was immediately pulled open and I was face to face with 2 cops who had guns pointed at me. About shit my pants. They told me to leave, and that they were still looking for the guy. They eventually found him, and sent him to prison. 
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,237
    jeffbr said:
    As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.
    the guy died?

    Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.
    Sounds like your friend performed a public service. Sorry he got jacked for it. I have no problem with violent assholes prematurely meeting their maker. Your buddy probably should have had a better lawyer.

    And back on the topic, a woman I was good friends with married a merchant marine. He was a crazy Guatemalan who I'd hung out with a few times. He was home after being away for months, and the woman's sister and brother-in-law were over at their place for dinner. The husband was drinking, got into an argument with the brother-in-law, grabbed a steak knife and drove it through the brother-in-law's heart and killed him, and took off. The woman called me in a panic and I went over there to see how she was doing. I knocked on the door, which was immediately pulled open and I was face to face with 2 cops who had guns pointed at me. About shit my pants. They told me to leave, and that they were still looking for the guy. They eventually found him, and sent him to prison. 
    yikes. one of the bullies I dealt with in high school I saw years later at the bar. He came up to me and apologized and told me how embarrased he was for all the shit he had done in those years. Glad no one saw fit to "perform a public service". 
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