There are a lot of acts that should be in the RnR HOF that aren’t, idk if Radiohead is one of them.
Much like Tool, they are very prolific in the eyes of their fans, but to casual listeners, I don’t think they’re very accessible.
Im a fan of both btw.
I know that I am biased (and do not follow Tool) but I still think Radiohead is a pretty big deal in various rock "circles" and should not have been overlooked.
Jimmy V, I am sure that you are not full of shit but if you listened to modern rock radio in the mid/late nineties you would have almost certainly heard Karma Police (and Fake Plastic Trees, Just, and Paranoid Android) over the airwaves. As I believe you were implying, you just didn't put the titles to the songs themselves.
The Bends is an INCREDIBLE album... absolutely love Fake Plastic Trees, High & Dry, Black Star and The Bends!! Hoping to hear a few of these when I see them in Columbus in July.
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Since this is a Radiohead topic: How did you all feel about them getting snubbed by the RR Hall of Fame? I gotta admit that I thought it took away from its credibility somewhat - which kind of sucks seeing that PJ was just inducted last year.
I don't say this to crap on Radiohead or their fans or anything like that. It's just a statement of truth. Other than Creep I couldn't name another Radiohead song.
I'm not mad at you for not knowing the name of any other Radiohead songs! But I also don't think that has a thing to do with whether they should be inducted to the RNR HOF or not.
First off, RNR HOF has lost a ton of credibility over the years due to them not inducting a LOT of people. The criteria is basically your 1st album was released at least 25 yrs ago and there's evidence you had a notable influence on rock music as a genre. There are SO MANY BANDS that fit that criteria that most would agree that - whether you actually like the band or not - enough major bands/artists cite those bands as big influences or as inspirations or say their worlds were changed by any of those bands, but the HOF just snubs them because they're not cool enough or now, they didn't get the popular vote.
All that said, I don't see how any serious studier of rock music can deny Radiohead's influence, again, whether you like them or not. If you don't know them, that's cool. But if you called yourself a music critic or worked for a major music publication, you wouldn't want to say that out loud, because you'd be run out of town.
Favourite song by them is Exit Music. For those that have not given them a chance listen to Pyramid Song, Street Spirit, Paranoid Android, Idioteque, Fake Plastic Trees, Karma Police. They are not for everyone and sometimes songs need a couple of listens to click but they are a great band imo.
Favourite song by them is Exit Music. For those that have not given them a chance listen to Pyramid Song, Street Spirit, Paranoid Android, Idioteque, Fake Plastic Trees, Karma Police. They are not for everyone and sometimes songs need a couple of listens to click but they are a great band imo.
Great list...I would add Airbag, LET DOWN, National Anthem, Everything in Its Right Place, How to Disappear Completely, I Might Be Wrong, There There, and Reckoner to your set of songs..
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I couldn't have confidently named an ELO, Joan Baez, or Nile Rodgers song before seeing their inductions last year. But I knew who they were, understood their contributions to popular music, and ultimately recognized their work once I heard it.
Since this is a Radiohead topic: How did you all feel about them getting snubbed by the RR Hall of Fame? I gotta admit that I thought it took away from its credibility somewhat - which kind of sucks seeing that PJ was just inducted last year.
I don't say this to crap on Radiohead or their fans or anything like that. It's just a statement of truth. Other than Creep I couldn't name another Radiohead song.
They were one of the biggest bands in the world for a while. They have about six albums that are critically acclaimed and considered some of the most influential from the 90s and especially 2000s. They changed the industry by releasing an album by download only one week after the album was announced (this was in 2007- WAY before Beyoncé and others released surprise albums). Kid A is often named the best album to be released since 2000.
No they don’t have many hit singles, but they deserved to be first ballot hall of famers. They probably weren’t because they booked a show the night of the ceremony. In typical Radiohead fashion, they don’t give a shit about the RRHoF.
The website https://www.besteveralbums.com/topratedstats.php?o=album collects data from various rankings (assuming from somewhat reputable sources) and compiles an ultimate list of their own. Take this for what it's worth but Radiohead has the #1 album of the 1990s (OK Computer) and the #1 album of the 2000s (Kid A). They also have the #4 album of the 1990s (The Bends) and the #3 album is the 2000s (In Rainbows).
Again, take it for what it's worth. It is something, however.
Since this is a Radiohead topic: How did you all feel about them getting snubbed by the RR Hall of Fame? I gotta admit that I thought it took away from its credibility somewhat - which kind of sucks seeing that PJ was just inducted last year.
I don't say this to crap on Radiohead or their fans or anything like that. It's just a statement of truth. Other than Creep I couldn't name another Radiohead song.
They were one of the biggest bands in the world for a while. They have about six albums that are critically acclaimed and considered some of the most influential from the 90s and especially 2000s. They changed the industry by releasing an album by download only one week after the album was announced (this was in 2007- WAY before Beyoncé and others released surprise albums). Kid A is often named the best album to be released since 2000.
No they don’t have many hit singles, but they deserved to be first ballot hall of famers. They probably weren’t because they booked a show the night of the ceremony. In typical Radiohead fashion, they don’t give a shit about the RRHoF.
I did NOT know they did that, booked a show the night of the ceremony! LOVE THEM EVEN MORE!!!!!
I couldn't have confidently named an ELO, Joan Baez, or Nile Rodgers song before seeing their inductions last year. But I knew who they were, understood their contributions to popular music, and ultimately recognized their work once I heard it.
That's a great point. The vast majority of music fans in the world probably couldn't name specific songs by most of the early influence RNR HOF inductees like Jimmy Yancey, Jimmie Rodgers, Big Joe Turner, Clyde McPhatter, Louis Jordan, all inducted in the 1st 2 classes of 1986 and 1987. But just because most music fans have no idea who they are or can't name a song doesn't take away at all from the very real and major roles they played in laying the foundation for the music that would come to be known as "rock and roll". Those paying attention or who were there or who've studied it or who went on to be later major influences who were influenced by them know.
And that's ok, music fans don't have to know or care or be experts. It's just important to understand that just because you haven't heard of the band or you don't understand the influence, doesn't mean the influence on the genre isn't real and significant.
All that said, when there are limited spots every year for induction, the RNR HOF voting body has proven that there can be a lot of disagreement about who is "more deserving" and who's time is when. And some major deciders (like Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone) used to sometimes be able to block a band or insist on a band just based on personal opinion of the value or lack of value of that artist, although now with the public vote counting too I don't know how much 1 key player can affect the final outcome. The behind the scenes at the HOF deciding on inductees sounds like a major sausage factory "you don't wanna know the details" type of situation, from what I've heard.
Radiohead is certainly a matter of taste- I could never choose between PJ and Radiohead bc they are SO DIFFERENT and equally beloved. But like someone said ahead, to deny their credibility and impact on the music world is kinda of... dare I say... ignorant- SORRY!!! I really mean that in the nicest way poss- ignorance IS BLISS after all but.... Go to a show!!! Its a GAME CHANGER- MUCH LIKE PJ, its an experience. And anyone who appreciates and loves PJ would certainly at least appreciate RH after seeing them live. That said, there are many RH songs I even have a hard time getting into- and they are my favorite band- or second favorite AHHHH hard to say!!! I don't even discredit Bon Jovi- if you watch footage of their shows in the 80s its hard to discredit their impact as well on the music of their time at least. If it weren't for bands like Janes Addiction, Nirvana, PJ and Radiohead... we may all still be listening to hair metal ourselves hahah Sidebar- let us not forget about Talk Show Host too- such an amazing gem of a song- thrills my core!!! Can Not wait for July chomping at the bit!!!
I saw metallica last summer and I was honestly a bit let down. They don’t rotate their set lists enough and I feel like it’s more of a manufactured production. Herfields pipes and lars’ drumming have also seen better days. An easy pass this time around.
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Nice to see so much support for Radiohead on The Porch. As stated by others earlier, there'a no need to compare them to PJ ... aside from coming onto the scene at the same time, they are very different from each other (but both miles ahead of so many).
A 20-song Intro Playlist: 1. Creep 2. Just 3. Fake Plastic Trees 4. Street Spirit 5. Paranoid Android 6. Karma Police 7. No Surprises 8. Let Down 9. Airbag 10. National Anthem 11. Idioteque 12. Everything in Its Right Place 13. How To Disappear Completely 14. Optimistic 15. Pyramid Song 16. I Might Be Wrong 17. There There 18. Reckoner 19. Weird FIshes 20. Exit Music (initially forgot this one)
I don't love Radiohead, but I appreciate them for how they obliterated people's expectations of them and their sound following OK Computer. That took guts. I tend to gravitate towards artists who follow their muses, even when the results are uneven ('sup, Chris Cornell?). There's courage in that, and I appreciate that. Also, "Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors" is the best Radiohead song don't @ me
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Since this is a Radiohead topic: How did you all feel about them getting snubbed by the RR Hall of Fame? I gotta admit that I thought it took away from its credibility somewhat - which kind of sucks seeing that PJ was just inducted last year.
The story goes that they purposely scheduled their South American tour so that they could not possibly make the RR Hall of Fame induction ceremony to see what the Hall would do.
I am a casual fan (who had tickets to the show in Toronto where the drum tech died), but Myxomatosis has always been my favourite.
Since this is a Radiohead topic: How did you all feel about them getting snubbed by the RR Hall of Fame? I gotta admit that I thought it took away from its credibility somewhat - which kind of sucks seeing that PJ was just inducted last year.
I don't say this to crap on Radiohead or their fans or anything like that. It's just a statement of truth. Other than Creep I couldn't name another Radiohead song.
Just 'cause you don't feel it Doesn't mean it's not there
Radiohead is a notoriously hard ticket to score at face, in NYC- Ive had a way harder time seeing them than I have PJ. That said I could easily buy a new car with the money Ive spent seeing them both. Was stuck in the que for 20 minutes only to get nosebleeds for tuesday and a single for wednesday that took me hours. Still looking for Friday but I'll prob search for a decent single for that for $$$$ I'm sure closer to showtime. This summer is Incredible in the music department- I feel very fortunate all my fave bands are playing, a very fortunate broke person
I'm sure I've posted this in another thread, but this summer is indeed a dream come true if you are a fan of 1990's (alternative/indie) music.
Agreed! Its really unbelievable- PJ, Radiohead, Foo, Weezer, Pixies, Jack White even Slayer and Ozzy are playing this summer last tours! All my faves- wish they didn't ALL go on sale the SAME DAMN TIME- but wow, what a summer it will be! I am flabbergasted about Radiohead AND PJ tho- it doesn't get better than that for me.
Radiohead is a notoriously hard ticket to score at face, in NYC- Ive had a way harder time seeing them than I have PJ. That said I could easily buy a new car with the money Ive spent seeing them both. Was stuck in the que for 20 minutes only to get nosebleeds for tuesday and a single for wednesday that took me hours. Still looking for Friday but I'll prob search for a decent single for that for $$$$ I'm sure closer to showtime. This summer is Incredible in the music department- I feel very fortunate all my fave bands are playing, a very fortunate broke person
I'm sure I've posted this in another thread, but this summer is indeed a dream come true if you are a fan of 1990's (alternative/indie) music.
Agreed! Its really unbelievable- PJ, Radiohead, Foo, Weezer, Pixies, Jack White even Slayer and Ozzy are playing this summer last tours! All my faves- wish they didn't ALL go on sale the SAME DAMN TIME- but wow, what a summer it will be! I am flabbergasted about Radiohead AND PJ tho- it doesn't get better than that for me.
I've seen Radiohead twice, and both times they were amazing. The first time was on the In Rainbows tour in 2008, and then I saw them last year. I bought Kid A the day it came out, listened to it once, then put it on a shelf for about 5 years. In the space of time that passed, I was ready.
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Much like Tool, they are very prolific in the eyes of their fans, but to casual listeners, I don’t think they’re very accessible.
Im a fan of both btw.
Jimmy V, I am sure that you are not full of shit but if you listened to modern rock radio in the mid/late nineties you would have almost certainly heard Karma Police (and Fake Plastic Trees, Just, and Paranoid Android) over the airwaves. As I believe you were implying, you just didn't put the titles to the songs themselves.
absolutely love Fake Plastic Trees, High & Dry, Black Star and The Bends!!
Hoping to hear a few of these when I see them in Columbus in July.
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'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
'17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
'18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1
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First off, RNR HOF has lost a ton of credibility over the years due to them not inducting a LOT of people. The criteria is basically your 1st album was released at least 25 yrs ago and there's evidence you had a notable influence on rock music as a genre. There are SO MANY BANDS that fit that criteria that most would agree that - whether you actually like the band or not - enough major bands/artists cite those bands as big influences or as inspirations or say their worlds were changed by any of those bands, but the HOF just snubs them because they're not cool enough or now, they didn't get the popular vote.
All that said, I don't see how any serious studier of rock music can deny Radiohead's influence, again, whether you like them or not. If you don't know them, that's cool. But if you called yourself a music critic or worked for a major music publication, you wouldn't want to say that out loud, because you'd be run out of town.
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No they don’t have many hit singles, but they deserved to be first ballot hall of famers. They probably weren’t because they booked a show the night of the ceremony. In typical Radiohead fashion, they don’t give a shit about the RRHoF.
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2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
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collects data from various rankings (assuming from somewhat reputable sources) and compiles an ultimate list of their own. Take this for what it's worth but Radiohead has the #1 album of the 1990s (OK Computer) and the #1 album of the 2000s (Kid A). They also have the #4 album of the 1990s (The Bends) and the #3 album is the 2000s (In Rainbows).
Again, take it for what it's worth. It is something, however.
And that's ok, music fans don't have to know or care or be experts. It's just important to understand that just because you haven't heard of the band or you don't understand the influence, doesn't mean the influence on the genre isn't real and significant.
All that said, when there are limited spots every year for induction, the RNR HOF voting body has proven that there can be a lot of disagreement about who is "more deserving" and who's time is when. And some major deciders (like Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone) used to sometimes be able to block a band or insist on a band just based on personal opinion of the value or lack of value of that artist, although now with the public vote counting too I don't know how much 1 key player can affect the final outcome. The behind the scenes at the HOF deciding on inductees sounds like a major sausage factory "you don't wanna know the details" type of situation, from what I've heard.
Sidebar- let us not forget about Talk Show Host too- such an amazing gem of a song- thrills my core!!! Can Not wait for July chomping at the bit!!!
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A 20-song Intro Playlist:
1. Creep
2. Just
3. Fake Plastic Trees
4. Street Spirit
5. Paranoid Android
6. Karma Police
7. No Surprises
8. Let Down
9. Airbag
10. National Anthem
11. Idioteque
12. Everything in Its Right Place
13. How To Disappear Completely
14. Optimistic
15. Pyramid Song
16. I Might Be Wrong
17. There There
18. Reckoner
19. Weird FIshes
20. Exit Music (initially forgot this one)
Also, "Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors" is the best Radiohead song don't @ me
I am a casual fan (who had tickets to the show in Toronto where the drum tech died), but Myxomatosis has always been my favourite.
Just 'cause you don't feel it
Doesn't mean it's not there
Last? Ozzy, yes. Others?
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