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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,627
    And by the way, the trade agreement was only one part of TPP.  It also focused heavily on work standards which makes the US more competitive since our worker rights are among the best in the world.  
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    Team Trump Treason is being awful quiet regarding Team Mueller’s new indictment of Manafort and Gates.

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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    mrussel1 said:
    And by the way, the trade agreement was only one part of TPP.  It also focused heavily on work standards which makes the US more competitive since our worker rights are among the best in the world.  
    Then why are a lot the jobs coming back and unemployment is at a 17 year low? Why can't Americans do blue collar jobs? Is there something wrong with working a manufacturing job? I care about Americans first, not about countries with minimum wages are 80 cents an hour, we here in Washington let Boeing get away with murder as far as State tax breaks go, which also makes us here in the Evergreen State complicit in the deaths of all the innocent people who die from stuff made by Boeing (just like as referenced in the song Insignificance), we have plenty of money for war and "BOTH" parties fund the war machine very eagerly, but never enough for universal health care & free college, even though both of those would cost way less, and we would still outspend the next 10 countries combined by a pretty healthy margin

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,627
    Business follows the cheapest path.  This means it will migrate to the place where it can get the cheapest labor.  It's simple price theory.  This is why manufacturing moved from the North, to the South, to overseas over the past 100 years.  That's why trade agreements are important, because they can make our labor more competitive in the long term. 

    Why do you think manufacturing is at a recent high and unemployment is at a low?  Are you arguing that leaving the TPP discussions created a bunch of new jobs and dropped unemployment? 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    mrussel1 said:
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    this is the face of the Democratic Party
    Yeah, who's your face?  A serial adulterer?  A serial groper?  A serial liar?  Congratulations, you must be proud.  The Roy Moore thing must have really been dynamite.  
    no I am a Bernie supporter, and I don't support people who are corrupt or evil, and I voted for Jill Stein, blind loyalty, not judging things based solely on which Party they are affiliated with, and if you can't acknowledge based upon recent interviews that Nancy Pelosi has completely lost it, then that makes you completely partisan and unable to engage in critical thinking, cause even Ray Charles can see Nancy has lost it, here's CNN so definitely not Conservative
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Wx0NmKhdA

    I could give a shit about the minority leader.  Inconsequential and a scare tactic used by the right.  
    You don't care who the congressional leader of your party is? no wonder Trump won, no one is getting Democrats excited, Bernie got people excited
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t32JN7ShLJc
    Your country still thinks Obama is a “radical leftist”. There was no way that Bernie was going to become POTUS. 
    And people who voted for Stein in states that matter are just as responsible for Trump as Trump voters.  No amount of moral preening is going to stop people from being deported or grant citizenship to the Dreamers or put us back in the Paris deal or TPP.  
    TPP was an awful idea, even a Hillary Clinton supporter thought so, in 2 minutes Robert Reich rips it apart
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_Sbbeqfdw


    Good thing tRump got us out of TPP and renegotiated a better deal like he said he would.

    Oh wait, the rest of the world decided to go forward without us, again.  Don't worry, I'm sure it will work out in our favor.  That's what happens when you sit out of trade agreements, right?
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Donnies ONE victory.  When he changed the rules. 
    Still a CORRUPT AF FRAUD, and ANYONE who opposes him in anyway, in my opinion, is a patriot.


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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,949
    It is fucking painful to listen to tRump give a speech....Jesus he is stupid
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Just dumb

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,627
    It's because he is only semi-literate.  

    Although giving speeches is hard.  I find it much more difficult than doing a presentation or something where you are speaking from general talking points rather than reading word for word.  

    That being said, he is still only semi-literate.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
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    And Team Trump Treason has still not imposed sanctions or criticized Putin. And I thought the repubes held the military next to god?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/russia-syria-us-troops/index.html

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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Tiki said:
    How many times did he condemn Russia for interfering in our democratic elections in that long speech?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,949
    and the "lock her up" chant again....the day after his campaign manager got indicted on 32 counts of fraud, etc.
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639

    "Russia Hysteria Is Making US International Laughing Stock"- Noam Chomsky this is awesome, the Far Left are the only ones who seem to get how ridiculous this is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MRQlC9wnok

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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    It isn't ridiculous at all to get to the bottom of a foreign government interfering in our elections. What that man is saying is just whataboutism. The context of Noam Chomsky's words are important and they don't invalidate the problem with Russia.
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    Kat said:
    It isn't ridiculous at all to get to the bottom of a foreign government interfering in our elections. What that man is saying is just whataboutism. The context of Noam Chomsky's words are important and they don't invalidate the problem with Russia.

    The point is that we have interfered in other countries elections, including Russia's that is how Boris Yeltsin came into power, we have directly or indirectly overthrown or got the people elected we wanted into power in at least 17 different countries since the Korean War, so unless we stop interfering in other countries elections, then no one around the world will have any sympathy for us, and nor should they. Simple question: Is the Middle East better off, or worse off since we became involved, going all the way back to when we overthrew the leader of Iran to install the Shah, the person we wanted so the west could exploit their oil production.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,627
    It's possible for citizens not to be okay with what the US has done historically, AND not to be okay with what Russia did.  Let me quote a one "Big Bank Hank" when he said "I care about Americans first
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone. :)
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    We probably should not be too proud of the Pinochet coup.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile#The_1973_Coup
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    Kat said:
    And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone. :)

    and Libya is far worse off, ISIS & Al Qaeda swept in and a lot of Libyans were slaughtered or enslaved, you can't believe something just because it's on the news, the media in this country is wrong more often than not, and the US Government is untruthful as much as it is truthful. Most of what we were fed on Libya was propaganda.
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    OnWis97 said:
    We probably should not be too proud of the Pinochet coup.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile#The_1973_Coup
    exactly
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,627
    Kat said:
    And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone. :)

    and Libya is far worse off, ISIS & Al Qaeda swept in and a lot of Libyans were slaughtered or enslaved, you can't believe something just because it's on the news, the media in this country is wrong more often than not, and the US Government is untruthful as much as it is truthful. Most of what we were fed on Libya was propaganda.
    Dude, you seriously need to stop getting your information from internet memes.  Ghaddafi supplied those things to people of his party and supporters but brutally repressed and killed anyone of dissent.  This includes the massive war crimes in Misrurata, his own people.  "you can't believe something just because it's on the news,"... well you believe something just because it's on a meme.  This is the 3rd or 4th you've pushed forward.  
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone. :)

    and Libya is far worse off, ISIS & Al Qaeda swept in and a lot of Libyans were slaughtered or enslaved, you can't believe something just because it's on the news, the media in this country is wrong more often than not, and the US Government is untruthful as much as it is truthful. Most of what we were fed on Libya was propaganda.
    Dude, you seriously need to stop getting your information from internet memes.  Ghaddafi supplied those things to people of his party and supporters but brutally repressed and killed anyone of dissent.  This includes the massive war crimes in Misrurata, his own people.  "you can't believe something just because it's on the news,"... well you believe something just because it's on a meme.  This is the 3rd or 4th you've pushed forward.  
    and things are far worse in Libya we helped orchestrate his death, that is indisputable regardless which news source you use, everyone is in agreement on that, so if we hadn't gotten involved some people would suffer, but not nearly as many who have suffered since, was Ghaddafi a good person? No. Is what has happened since been worse? Yes. Would all the money and resource we committed to his removal been better used here in America? Undoubtedly. I am against us intervening unless it's WWII and a Hitler type figure emerges.
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    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone. :)

    and Libya is far worse off, ISIS & Al Qaeda swept in and a lot of Libyans were slaughtered or enslaved, you can't believe something just because it's on the news, the media in this country is wrong more often than not, and the US Government is untruthful as much as it is truthful. Most of what we were fed on Libya was propaganda.
    Dude, you seriously need to stop getting your information from internet memes.  Ghaddafi supplied those things to people of his party and supporters but brutally repressed and killed anyone of dissent.  This includes the massive war crimes in Misrurata, his own people.  "you can't believe something just because it's on the news,"... well you believe something just because it's on a meme.  This is the 3rd or 4th you've pushed forward.  
    and things are far worse in Libya we helped orchestrate his death, that is indisputable regardless which news source you use, everyone is in agreement on that, so if we hadn't gotten involved some people would suffer, but not nearly as many who have suffered since, was Ghaddafi a good person? No. Is what has happened since been worse? Yes. Would all the money and resource we committed to his removal been better used here in America? Undoubtedly. I am against us intervening unless it's WWII and a Hitler type figure emerges.
    Where were you when Bush invaded Iraq?
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone. :)

    and Libya is far worse off, ISIS & Al Qaeda swept in and a lot of Libyans were slaughtered or enslaved, you can't believe something just because it's on the news, the media in this country is wrong more often than not, and the US Government is untruthful as much as it is truthful. Most of what we were fed on Libya was propaganda.
    Dude, you seriously need to stop getting your information from internet memes.  Ghaddafi supplied those things to people of his party and supporters but brutally repressed and killed anyone of dissent.  This includes the massive war crimes in Misrurata, his own people.  "you can't believe something just because it's on the news,"... well you believe something just because it's on a meme.  This is the 3rd or 4th you've pushed forward.  
    and things are far worse in Libya we helped orchestrate his death, that is indisputable regardless which news source you use, everyone is in agreement on that, so if we hadn't gotten involved some people would suffer, but not nearly as many who have suffered since, was Ghaddafi a good person? No. Is what has happened since been worse? Yes. Would all the money and resource we committed to his removal been better used here in America? Undoubtedly. I am against us intervening unless it's WWII and a Hitler type figure emerges.
    Where were you when Bush invaded Iraq?
    I don't like George Bush either, and I don't think we should have ever invaded Iraq, because Bush & Cheney knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, that was a lie used to remove Saddam Hussein
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone. :)

    and Libya is far worse off, ISIS & Al Qaeda swept in and a lot of Libyans were slaughtered or enslaved, you can't believe something just because it's on the news, the media in this country is wrong more often than not, and the US Government is untruthful as much as it is truthful. Most of what we were fed on Libya was propaganda.
    Dude, you seriously need to stop getting your information from internet memes.  Ghaddafi supplied those things to people of his party and supporters but brutally repressed and killed anyone of dissent.  This includes the massive war crimes in Misrurata, his own people.  "you can't believe something just because it's on the news,"... well you believe something just because it's on a meme.  This is the 3rd or 4th you've pushed forward.  
    and things are far worse in Libya we helped orchestrate his death, that is indisputable regardless which news source you use, everyone is in agreement on that, so if we hadn't gotten involved some people would suffer, but not nearly as many who have suffered since, was Ghaddafi a good person? No. Is what has happened since been worse? Yes. Would all the money and resource we committed to his removal been better used here in America? Undoubtedly. I am against us intervening unless it's WWII and a Hitler type figure emerges.
    Where were you when Bush invaded Iraq?
    I am a Socialist and I am just not supportive of the Military Industrial Complex, Eisenhower tried to warn us all in his farewell address

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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Did I read somewhere Russia funneled money through the NRA?

    Paging Dr Mueller 
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    WTF does Libya have to do do with anything? lol
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
    Way too many unhelpful memes around here lately...
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    my2hands said:
    WTF does Libya have to do do with anything? lol
    because we helped overthrow their government
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