Keystone XL Updates

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Been away for a while. Has everyone realized that the anti-pipeline squawk on Canadian oil has been funded by American businessmen who have two major agendas:
    1) ensure Canadian oil doesn't make it to tidewater (because Canada would get more for it overseas)
    2) keep Canadian oil landlocked and therefore piped to US refineries. Because the oil can't get to tidewater and therefore no competition, the US gets Canadian oil at a discount. 

    All the good people who have legitimate concerns are merely pawns in a high finance poker game.  They have done a great job, killing pipelines to Eastern Canada (for some reason it's "safer" to float huge tankers from the Middle East to those refineries.  I guess it's better to fund regimes with atrocious human rights records) and the Northern Gateway (Trudeau killed that one despite it already receiving approval).
    Or, instead of all the distraction, we could just work on getting off the damn needle and start helping to help clean up the planet.  That's all I care about. It's hypocritical to complain about pipelines if we aren't willing to at least try and get off that drug called oil.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Yeah, it's all a money grab, isn't it.   Money money money, everybody grabs the money.  But the health of the planet, respect for sacred lands?  Do any of them care?  Nah.
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  • Electric cars are not going to save the planet.
    oil is not going anywhere.... 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Electric cars are not going to save the planet.
    oil is not going anywhere.... 
    Both of these are true.
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  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited February 2018
    Since Keystone and two Canadian pipelines (gateway, Energy East) were stalled by big money to support US oil interests, the US has built 19000 miles of oil pipelines! 
    While everyone has been squabbling over our attempt to earn what we deserve from our resource, your government has quietly went about building a whack of pipelines and NOONE is protesting them.

    you wonder why some Canadians are pissed off? Some people have mortgages and families just like you.  The crosshairs are pointed squarely on thEoilsands and quite respectfully sir, it is unwarranted.  

    These protests are are hurting good, law abiding, hard working Albertans.  We support the move to renewable energy, but it can't happen overnight.  Thwarting three pipelines won't change the world.  
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Yeah, we're out to get you, Canadian!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Or we could work together to screw over the planet.  That'd be a hoot too.
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  • Lol it's been a hoot all right.  I'll disappear for a year or two now and come back when the pipeline is almost finished and chat then! 

  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Lol it's been a hoot all right.  I'll disappear for a year or two now and come back when the pipeline is almost finished and chat then! 

    Take care of yourself and keep on rockin'.  See you next year!  :smile:
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,429
    Since Keystone and two Canadian pipelines (gateway, Energy East) were stalled by big money to support US oil interests, the US has built 19000 miles of oil pipelines! 
    While everyone has been squabbling over our attempt to earn what we deserve from our resource, your government has quietly went about building a whack of pipelines and NOONE is protesting them.

    you wonder why some Canadians are pissed off? Some people have mortgages and families just like you.  The crosshairs are pointed squarely on thEoilsands and quite respectfully sir, it is unwarranted.  

    These protests are are hurting good, law abiding, hard working Albertans.  We support the move to renewable energy, but it can't happen overnight.  Thwarting three pipelines won't change the world.  
    you guys do want you want with the oil that comes from your soil, as long as you keep it on your soil.

    and its simply false that there were no protests related to pipelines here. Dakota Access is a MAJOR one that comes to mind.....

    and correct me if I am wrong but since trump swore th oath to put business above all else, why hasnt the canadian company who was seeking to build the fucking going ahead with it now? oh THATS right, current GLOBAL prices dont allow for it to be done and make a profit.

    OPEC plays its part in this too.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Good news!


    The U.S. State Department must conduct a new environmental review for the Keystone XL crude pipeline, a federal judge ruled, dealing a blow to a project supported by President Donald Trump in his first few days in office.

    U.S. District Court Judge Brian Morris in Montana sided with indigenous and environmental groups in ruling Wednesday that a revised Keystone route is “interdependent” on the larger pipeline project and requires one environmental review.


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  • Here’s an update. Guess those native Americans, the Oglala Sioux, were protestething too much?

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/tc-energy-terminates-keystone-xl-pipeline-project-2021-06-09/

    Gee, I wonder why? What could possibly go wrong?

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Here’s an update. Guess those native Americans, the Oglala Sioux, were protestething too much?

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/tc-energy-terminates-keystone-xl-pipeline-project-2021-06-09/

    Gee, I wonder why? What could possibly go wrong?

    https://apple.news/AJwVTd_FkQ3W79TD7F6sKcg

    Yup.  I told them not to build the damn thing.  D'ya think they'd listen?  Heeeeeel no:frowning: 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,094
    edited December 2022
    Anyone care to ask the google machine which is the cleanest way to transport oil?


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    Anyone care to ask the google machine which is the cleanest way to transport oil?



    That's not the issue, Lersxt.  Read through the thread and you see what I mean.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,094
    brianlux said:
    Anyone care to ask the google machine which is the cleanest way to transport oil?



    That's not the issue, Lersxt.  Read through the thread and you see what I mean.

    Yes they built it partly on Indian land. But it’s still the cleanest way to transport oil or nat gas, and cleaner than the non pipeline fuel, coal. By a lot.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,596
    brianlux said:
    Anyone care to ask the google machine which is the cleanest way to transport oil?



    That's not the issue, Lersxt.  Read through the thread and you see what I mean.

    Yes they built it partly on Indian land. But it’s still the cleanest way to transport oil or nat gas, and cleaner than the non pipeline fuel, coal. By a lot.

    Yeah, but the issue is that Keystone XL was built to transport oil from Canada to the US and that most of it is for export and the damn stuff would not have spilled anywhere if the damn thing hadn't been built.  This is why we (particularly through efforts made by the 350.org organization) resisted and fought against XL for so long, The issue here is that this should never have happened.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,956
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Anyone care to ask the google machine which is the cleanest way to transport oil?



    That's not the issue, Lersxt.  Read through the thread and you see what I mean.

    Yes they built it partly on Indian land. But it’s still the cleanest way to transport oil or nat gas, and cleaner than the non pipeline fuel, coal. By a lot.

    Yeah, but the issue is that Keystone XL was built to transport oil from Canada to the US and that most of it is for export and the damn stuff would not have spilled anywhere if the damn thing hadn't been built.  This is why we (particularly through efforts made by the 350.org organization) resisted and fought against XL for so long, The issue here is that this should never have happened.
    But if the pipeline had not been built, would they have not just used a different method? A method less clean and equally or more prone to accidents?
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