The Pentagon has reportedly begun planning a military parade at the request of President Trump.
Trump repeatedly has expressed an interest in holding a display of America’s military might, and upped his calls for a parade after witnessingthe Bastille Day celebrations on a trip to France last summer.
This is sad and terrifying .
Much like his display of battle flags in the oval office
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The Pentagon has reportedly begun planning a military parade at the request of President Trump.
Trump repeatedly has expressed an interest in holding a display of America’s military might, and upped his calls for a parade after witnessingthe Bastille Day celebrations on a trip to France last summer.
the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
But he makes a lot of "dictator moves". I'm not sure I see the benefit of blowing of any of his comments, be they serious or not. All of them speak to his general thinking. Even jokes have a kernel of truth, and since you mentioned context... the context of Trump in particular saying shit like this actually does mean something more than if someone else said it. Pretty sure nobody is accusing you of being a Trump supporter, lol.
I have been called a Trump apologist in the past for no other reason than exhibiting some objectivity, so who knows what's next.
Obama reversed his position on the Patriot Act when he was president from when he was senator. I didn't see anyone on the left calling him a dictator or the media going ape-shit over it.
I didn't say blow them off. I said don't jump to hysterics every time he says something stupid. it is important to call him out on his bullshit in a rational way, but all this constant over-reaction will desensitize everyone to everything. The boy who cried wolf, as it were.
But Obama didn't regularly and repeatedly display the traits and actions of a dictator. That comparison actually kind of proves my point. If Trump only said this, or just one thing in particular, and no other things that make him seem like a fascist, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Everyone understands the context in which Trump said this specific comment - we're not all idiots. But the fact that he was "making a funny" in this one instance really isn't the point.
not sure how it proves your point when I wasn't countering your point to begin with. Again, I said don't blow it off, but it's not as hysterical as everyone is making it out to be. there are checks and balances to what he can do. Of course Obama didn't act like this; for one, he seems like a likeable guy, two, even if he wasn't, he is infinitely smarter than Trump and knew what to say in public and what not to.
and yes, we would be having this conversation if he only said one thing like this. we have been having this conversation since the first stupid thing he said. it just so happens that the topic of conversation changes because he says things like this quicker than we can forget the last one.
there is a very small subsection of supporters that actually take trump seriously at his every word. everyone else supports "his" agenda, but simply blows off his stupid comments as just that, stupid. they tolerate his idiocy to further their conservative agenda.
Er, okay... what I meant was, then, the Obama comparison doesn't work. You didn't see anyone on the left calling him a dictator or the media going ape-shit because him doing it didn't make him suddenly seem like a dictator (of course, it was controversial - it's not like people ignored what it meant for America). I actually don't feel like anyone has been "hysterical" about it anyway TBH. And I don't see how "checks and balances" really play in here. Frankly, I think these so-called checks and balances are much less reliable than a lot of people seem to think they are. Democracy is degraded slowly through propaganda, through a bunch of little things that work on the minds of the people and on the way government is run. That only a minority of people support Trump doesn't change that fact. All the tweets, all the quips, combined with all the firings, all the attacks on the justice system and the media, the subtle but purposeful erosion of public trust in the current system ... all those thing culminate into something very dangerous that these "checks and balances" don't necessarily stop in the long run.
how are they less reliable than people think they are? so Trump can just change the constitution on his own so he can become the ultimate ruler for all times?
Who knows? I'm talking about the slow, insidious growth of a system that hurts everyone except those in power, be it a fascist state, a corptocracy, an oligarchy, or whatever. There is some seriously Orwellian shit going on in America right now, and I actually think it's a little naive to just assume that it's impossible for this kind of thing to happen just because of the Constitution. The Constitution isn't the end all and be all of the universe. It is fallible, and it and anything like it are always at risk. Shit falls apart eventually. Trump could very well be the beginning of the slow fall of America or the profound transformation of American into something worse. It happens to every society eventually, so I'm not too sure why some assume it's suddenly impossible just because of the Constitution. And no, I'm not paranoid. I'm just looking at it objectively.
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I can’t help but wonder if the same thoughts some of you all have about the parade also existed when France did their military parade? Or is it just a Trump thing?
I can’t help but wonder if the same thoughts some of you all have about the parade also existed when France did their military parade? Or is it just a Trump thing?
Well, since the Bastille Day parade has been held annually for more than 130 years, and for a very different reason, I would say that they're not really comparable.
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I can’t help but wonder if the same thoughts some of you all have about the parade also existed when France did their military parade? Or is it just a Trump thing?
Well, since the Bastille Day parade has been held annually for more than 130 years, and for a very different reason, I would say that they're not really comparable.
Don't ruin his talking point!
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Not sure why I thought of DT when I saw this because it could be many others... but I thought of DT.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I can’t help but wonder if the same thoughts some of you all have about the parade also existed when France did their military parade? Or is it just a Trump thing?
Well, since the Bastille Day parade has been held annually for more than 130 years, and for a very different reason, I would say that they're not really comparable.
Don't ruin his talking point!
I don’t see how that ruins a talking point, but okay? A military parade on July 4th would pretty much be the same thing. A celebration of independence. But that’s cool if you see it a different way. Either way you are neither right or wrong, just another person with a strong opinion.
I can’t help but wonder if the same thoughts some of you all have about the parade also existed when France did their military parade? Or is it just a Trump thing?
Well, since the Bastille Day parade has been held annually for more than 130 years, and for a very different reason, I would say that they're not really comparable.
Don't ruin his talking point!
I don’t see how that ruins a talking point, but okay? A military parade on July 4th would pretty much be the same thing. A celebration of independence. But that’s cool if you see it a different way. Either way you are neither right or wrong, just another person with a strong opinion.
The main problem is that Trump didn’t suggest a parade in honour of independence. He suggested a parade in honour of .... himself.
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I don't want a parade but I disagree with this comment...unless you only want former military to be your president, senators, and reps.
Except that this orange turd took advantage of his privileged status and received 5 deferments while poor & working class kids had to go get fucking killed.
Just another reason to take a knee in this country. How many rich kids were able to escape the horrors of Vietnam while their working class neighbors got drafted and slaughtered?
This wannabe tough guy is the poster child for that shit, now he wants to ride a tank up Pennsylvania Avenue.
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the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
But he makes a lot of "dictator moves". I'm not sure I see the benefit of blowing of any of his comments, be they serious or not. All of them speak to his general thinking. Even jokes have a kernel of truth, and since you mentioned context... the context of Trump in particular saying shit like this actually does mean something more than if someone else said it. Pretty sure nobody is accusing you of being a Trump supporter, lol.
I have been called a Trump apologist in the past for no other reason than exhibiting some objectivity, so who knows what's next.
Obama reversed his position on the Patriot Act when he was president from when he was senator. I didn't see anyone on the left calling him a dictator or the media going ape-shit over it.
I didn't say blow them off. I said don't jump to hysterics every time he says something stupid. it is important to call him out on his bullshit in a rational way, but all this constant over-reaction will desensitize everyone to everything. The boy who cried wolf, as it were.
But Obama didn't regularly and repeatedly display the traits and actions of a dictator. That comparison actually kind of proves my point. If Trump only said this, or just one thing in particular, and no other things that make him seem like a fascist, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Everyone understands the context in which Trump said this specific comment - we're not all idiots. But the fact that he was "making a funny" in this one instance really isn't the point.
not sure how it proves your point when I wasn't countering your point to begin with. Again, I said don't blow it off, but it's not as hysterical as everyone is making it out to be. there are checks and balances to what he can do. Of course Obama didn't act like this; for one, he seems like a likeable guy, two, even if he wasn't, he is infinitely smarter than Trump and knew what to say in public and what not to.
and yes, we would be having this conversation if he only said one thing like this. we have been having this conversation since the first stupid thing he said. it just so happens that the topic of conversation changes because he says things like this quicker than we can forget the last one.
there is a very small subsection of supporters that actually take trump seriously at his every word. everyone else supports "his" agenda, but simply blows off his stupid comments as just that, stupid. they tolerate his idiocy to further their conservative agenda.
Er, okay... what I meant was, then, the Obama comparison doesn't work. You didn't see anyone on the left calling him a dictator or the media going ape-shit because him doing it didn't make him suddenly seem like a dictator (of course, it was controversial - it's not like people ignored what it meant for America). I actually don't feel like anyone has been "hysterical" about it anyway TBH. And I don't see how "checks and balances" really play in here. Frankly, I think these so-called checks and balances are much less reliable than a lot of people seem to think they are. Democracy is degraded slowly through propaganda, through a bunch of little things that work on the minds of the people and on the way government is run. That only a minority of people support Trump doesn't change that fact. All the tweets, all the quips, combined with all the firings, all the attacks on the justice system and the media, the subtle but purposeful erosion of public trust in the current system ... all those thing culminate into something very dangerous that these "checks and balances" don't necessarily stop in the long run.
how are they less reliable than people think they are? so Trump can just change the constitution on his own so he can become the ultimate ruler for all times?
Who knows? I'm talking about the slow, insidious growth of a system that hurts everyone except those in power, be it a fascist state, a corptocracy, an oligarchy, or whatever. There is some seriously Orwellian shit going on in America right now, and I actually think it's a little naive to just assume that it's impossible for this kind of thing to happen just because of the Constitution. The Constitution isn't the end all and be all of the universe. It is fallible, and it and anything like it are always at risk. Shit falls apart eventually. Trump could very well be the beginning of the slow fall of America or the profound transformation of American into something worse. It happens to every society eventually, so I'm not too sure why some assume it's suddenly impossible just because of the Constitution. And no, I'm not paranoid. I'm just looking at it objectively.
"who knows?" so how do you make a claim like that if you have no idea how to back it up?
I never said it was impossible. Enough with the Orwellian shit. This place seems to have about 7 or 8 different talking points constantly recycled to try to prove a point. i'm not naive, but thanks for (yet another) insult. I am looking at it objectively. Hence the non-hysteria.
One American administration at present will not destroy democracy as we know it.
All I said was the hysteria does not currently match the reality. Will it eventually? Possibly. But today, it does not, IN MY OPINION (I don't think a lot of people here understand what the difference between fact and opinion is). And here I am being naive, telling everyone to just ignore it (which is actually the opposite of what I said), being made fun of. it's incredible how any time one's views don't match the majority around here how you get attacked and ridiculed. There really is no logical discourse here anymore. If you don't agree, you are a fucking idiot. or grumpy. or there is something inherently wrong with you. Heaven forbid a liberal disagrees with the lot on anything.
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Much like his display of battle flags in the oval office
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Well, since the Bastille Day parade has been held annually for more than 130 years, and for a very different reason, I would say that they're not really comparable.
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Just another reason to take a knee in this country. How many rich kids were able to escape the horrors of Vietnam while their working class neighbors got drafted and slaughtered?
This wannabe tough guy is the poster child for that shit, now he wants to ride a tank up Pennsylvania Avenue.
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I never said it was impossible.
Enough with the Orwellian shit. This place seems to have about 7 or 8 different talking points constantly recycled to try to prove a point.
i'm not naive, but thanks for (yet another) insult.
I am looking at it objectively. Hence the non-hysteria.
One American administration at present will not destroy democracy as we know it.
All I said was the hysteria does not currently match the reality. Will it eventually? Possibly. But today, it does not, IN MY OPINION (I don't think a lot of people here understand what the difference between fact and opinion is). And here I am being naive, telling everyone to just ignore it (which is actually the opposite of what I said), being made fun of. it's incredible how any time one's views don't match the majority around here how you get attacked and ridiculed. There really is no logical discourse here anymore. If you don't agree, you are a fucking idiot. or grumpy. or there is something inherently wrong with you. Heaven forbid a liberal disagrees with the lot on anything.
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