Yup. The Internet is now a utility, much like electricity and water. It is how other utility meters are read. It is used in security systems. Entertainment systems. Computers, toys, medical devices, kitchen appliances. People use the Internet to find jobs, to pay bills, to perform their work. They call it the Internet of Everything, and connected devices are ubiquitous. The Internet is no longer a novelty or an extravagant nicety. It is essential to being part of our modern society.
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If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
my employer does. we have thousands of remote employees. information stored in servers all around the world. sharing information company-wide is critical for our business. now our data is going to be held hostage by every isp from new york to los angeles.
Mayday and CM, I meant for the home, I sleep 8 hours a day and I'm at work 8 hours a day plus commute. Why should I pay $150/month for internet/cable/phone when I might watch or surf the web a small portion of my home hours? I meant me personally, at home, could live without it. I get that society is dependent on it but why do people need their refrigerator to order their milk? "There's an app for that." Fucking stupid. And, what does everyone do when the power goes out? Freak out, that's what.
If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
Isn't internet access considered a human right now? Like the others, I definitely think it's necessary, for lots of reasons. That's what makes this decision by the FCC so atrocious.
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Once again, this will screw over tRump supporting states the most. Washington state is already taking steps to protect net neutrality. Other progressive states like MN won't be far behind. Meanwhile, people in Mississippi are wondering what this new-fangled internet thingy is.
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If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
my employer does. we have thousands of remote employees. information stored in servers all around the world. sharing information company-wide is critical for our business. now our data is going to be held hostage by every isp from new york to los angeles.
Mayday and CM, I meant for the home, I sleep 8 hours a day and I'm at work 8 hours a day plus commute. Why should I pay $150/month for internet/cable/phone when I might watch or surf the web a small portion of my home hours? I meant me personally, at home, could live without it. I get that society is dependent on it but why do people need their refrigerator to order their milk? "There's an app for that." Fucking stupid. And, what does everyone do when the power goes out? Freak out, that's what.
Yes, my employer has thousands of remote employees. That means they work from home M-F 5 days a week. This is significantly going to affect our IT expense overhead.
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If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
my employer does. we have thousands of remote employees. information stored in servers all around the world. sharing information company-wide is critical for our business. now our data is going to be held hostage by every isp from new york to los angeles.
Mayday and CM, I meant for the home, I sleep 8 hours a day and I'm at work 8 hours a day plus commute. Why should I pay $150/month for internet/cable/phone when I might watch or surf the web a small portion of my home hours? I meant me personally, at home, could live without it. I get that society is dependent on it but why do people need their refrigerator to order their milk? "There's an app for that." Fucking stupid. And, what does everyone do when the power goes out? Freak out, that's what.
Yes, my employer has thousands of remote employees. That means they work from home M-F 5 days a week. This is significantly going to affect our IT expense overhead.
That sound you hear? The unemployment rate going up. How large is the internet economy? Just wondering because they bitched about ObamaCare affecting 1/6th of the economy.
OK. I got "throttled" back in 2010 for using too much bandwidth on my phone...
In 2003 I could pay for higher speeds of ethernet connections.
In 2000 I could switch from dial up to cable.
It's been going on for years.
Bandwidth is the last big moneymaker for a dying industry but I don't see how they can make a last surge at making billions now?
this is much much different
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Yup. The Internet is now a utility, much like electricity and water. It is how other utility meters are read. It is used in security systems. Entertainment systems. Computers, toys, medical devices, kitchen appliances. People use the Internet to find jobs, to pay bills, to perform their work. They call it the Internet of Everything, and connected devices are ubiquitous. The Internet is no longer a novelty or an extravagant nicety. It is essential to being part of our modern society.
Not to mention how this discourages independent learning. Anything with that outcome is an avoidable tragedy, in my opinion.
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If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
I guess to be honest I would have to say, "No, I don't need it." But I do a lot of my work at home which I could not do without the internet. That doesn't mean I would starve and at 66 I guess I could accept the idea of less work but work is one of the things I live for. I would face a fair degree more depression without it. I hope my ISP doesn't screw me over this.
My wife would be bummed big time if we lost internet service because it got to be too expensive. The internet is how she keeps in touch with her extended family and she has a lot of extended family!
But I don't think it's going to go away, just some more of our hard earned money (and maybe some of our time) is going to go away.
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If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
I guess to be honest I would have to say, "No, I don't need it." But I do a lot of my work at home which I could not do without the internet. That doesn't mean I would starve and at 66 I guess I could accept the idea of less work but work is one of the things I live for. I would face a fair degree more depression without it. I hope my ISP doesn't screw me over this.
My wife would be bummed big time if we lost internet service because it got to be too expensive. The internet is how she keeps in touch with her extended family and she has a lot of extended family!
But I don't think it's going to go away, just some more of our hard earned money (and maybe some of our time) is going to go away.
The thing is, people want to use business as proof that everyone needs internet, but the reality is that the breadth of internet delivered services a typical business uses is tiny and utilitarian. It will likely be fully covered in the most basic packages in the post-neutrality market. Entertainment services are the targets here and the concern.
I'm pretty insular and selfish on this issue. I live beyond the range where internet is accessible and therefore rely on it much less than most people my age. I use my phone for social media and this forum, and I like having Google to look things up, but I wouldn't be outraged to give these things up. I think we have serious societal problems with this issue, so even though this is a nasty cash grab that's total bullshit, I just can't bring myself to care very much that people will have to pay extra for their Netflix and Hulu and YouTube.
Ok can someone just put it in layman’s term what does this mean to the average joe like me , how will this affect me ..
Basically, your cable company will now have more control of your internet.
Before, with this rule, it was treated like a hose. The data would flow indiscriminately.
Now, your cable company is allowed to restrict the flow of different types of data. This will give them the ability to chop up the internet in tiers. If you want to stream movies and other video content, they could charge more. You may need to pay to access stuff like facebook and twitter in a package. They could slow netflix and demand money from them to allow normal or increased speed (which the costs would be passed to the consumer). They can completely block things they cant have an 'agreement' with or are a competitor. Like maybe HBO Go wont be available on Spectrum Internet.
Also, it provides the ability to restrict content it may not agree with. Giving AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast the ability to censor the web.
I know cable companies have such a reputable history of fair pricing and tiering... as well as customer service. I dont expect them to twist and leverage every last cent they can get out of their legal racketeering.
Ok can someone just put it in layman’s term what does this mean to the average joe like me , how will this affect me ..
Basically, your cable company will now have more control of your internet.
Before, with this rule, it was treated like a hose. The data would flow indiscriminately.
Now, your cable company is allowed to restrict the flow of different types of data. This will give them the ability to chop up the internet in tiers. If you want to stream movies and other video content, they could charge more. You may need to pay to access stuff like facebook and twitter in a package. They could slow netflix and demand money from them to allow normal or increased speed (which the costs would be passed to the consumer). They can completely block things they cant have an 'agreement' with or are a competitor. Like maybe HBO Go wont be available on Spectrum Internet.
Also, it provides the ability to restrict content it may not agree with. Giving AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast the ability to censor the web.
I know cable companies have such a reputable history of fair pricing and tiering... as well as customer service. I dont expect them to twist and leverage every last cent they can get out of their legal racketeering.
Thanks , another money making scheme man soon they will want to charge for the air we breathe ..
Ok can someone just put it in layman’s term what does this mean to the average joe like me , how will this affect me ..
Net neutrality is the principle that internet service providers must treat all data on the internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, equipment, or communication method.
So, you know how your cable bill has tiered pricing packages and you can pay anywhere from, say, $50-200 a month for cable. Based on whether you have just the basic package, premium package, or ultimate package, and if you add the sports package, add HBO and Showtime, add a DVR, and a 2nd DVR for another room, etc...
Now your cable company or ISP can do the same with your internet. Oh, you want access to Facebook, Twitter, & Instagram, add the social media package for $19.99 a month. You want Youtube, Netflix, & Hulu, add the visual media package for $24.99 a month. Want access to porn and dating sites, add the adult services package for $39.99 a month. Need to do research for your college homework, well, in addition to the super high cost of seconday education, you now have to pay $19.99 a month for the information package for access to search tools, wikipedia, and other reference sites.
And it goes even beyond that. Your cable company donated to the Trump campaign? Hope you like Fox News and Breitbart because you no longer have access to CNN.com or the New York Times website. Have an iMac? Well you must be rich, so your internet costs more than someone with a Dell computer. Have more than one computer or phone in the home? Enjoy your monthly per-device surcharge. Live in a black neighborhood? Too bad, you don't get the fucking internet.
Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.
Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:
After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18 IT 07/05/2020AT 07/07/2020
Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.
Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:
After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
We could and should do the same thing here. The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.
Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:
After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
We could and should do the same thing here. The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
Ok, if you say so. Not sure how he would manage to do that considering the 1st amendment and all, but what he can help do is make it more difficult to access. Gee, what type of regulation can he get rid of to do that....
Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.
Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:
After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
We could and should do the same thing here. The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
so basically take your daily idiocy and ratchet it up to 11?
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Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.
Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:
After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
We could and should do the same thing here. The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
so basically take your daily idiocy and ratchet it up to 11?
He's been promised T2 speed for his continued work...
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Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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In 2003 I could pay for higher speeds of ethernet connections.
In 2000 I could switch from dial up to cable.
It's been going on for years.
Bandwidth is the last big moneymaker for a dying industry but I don't see how they can make a last surge at making billions now?
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
My wife would be bummed big time if we lost internet service because it got to be too expensive. The internet is how she keeps in touch with her extended family and she has a lot of extended family!
But I don't think it's going to go away, just some more of our hard earned money (and maybe some of our time) is going to go away.
Entertainment services are the targets here and the concern.
I'm pretty insular and selfish on this issue.
I live beyond the range where internet is accessible and therefore rely on it much less than most people my age. I use my phone for social media and this forum, and I like having Google to look things up, but I wouldn't be outraged to give these things up.
I think we have serious societal problems with this issue, so even though this is a nasty cash grab that's total bullshit, I just can't bring myself to care very much that people will have to pay extra for their Netflix and Hulu and YouTube.
Before, with this rule, it was treated like a hose. The data would flow indiscriminately.
Now, your cable company is allowed to restrict the flow of different types of data. This will give them the ability to chop up the internet in tiers. If you want to stream movies and other video content, they could charge more. You may need to pay to access stuff like facebook and twitter in a package. They could slow netflix and demand money from them to allow normal or increased speed (which the costs would be passed to the consumer). They can completely block things they cant have an 'agreement' with or are a competitor. Like maybe HBO Go wont be available on Spectrum Internet.
Also, it provides the ability to restrict content it may not agree with. Giving AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast the ability to censor the web.
I know cable companies have such a reputable history of fair pricing and tiering... as well as customer service. I dont expect them to twist and leverage every last cent they can get out of their legal racketeering.
So, you know how your cable bill has tiered pricing packages and you can pay anywhere from, say, $50-200 a month for cable. Based on whether you have just the basic package, premium package, or ultimate package, and if you add the sports package, add HBO and Showtime, add a DVR, and a 2nd DVR for another room, etc...
Now your cable company or ISP can do the same with your internet. Oh, you want access to Facebook, Twitter, & Instagram, add the social media package for $19.99 a month. You want Youtube, Netflix, & Hulu, add the visual media package for $24.99 a month. Want access to porn and dating sites, add the adult services package for $39.99 a month. Need to do research for your college homework, well, in addition to the super high cost of seconday education, you now have to pay $19.99 a month for the information package for access to search tools, wikipedia, and other reference sites.
And it goes even beyond that. Your cable company donated to the Trump campaign? Hope you like Fox News and Breitbart because you no longer have access to CNN.com or the New York Times website. Have an iMac? Well you must be rich, so your internet costs more than someone with a Dell computer. Have more than one computer or phone in the home? Enjoy your monthly per-device surcharge. Live in a black neighborhood? Too bad, you don't get the fucking internet.
Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.