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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,286
    Can’t wait to see McConnell & Ryan hanging out with the child molester..
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,706
    brianlux said:
    I was curious about Moore's chances of winning so I checked Real ClearPolitics special election poll consolidations.  Bad idea.  Not surprised, just bummed.
    after last year and how wrong and wildly swinging polling numbers were, I dont trust any anymore.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,286
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    I was curious about Moore's chances of winning so I checked Real ClearPolitics special election poll consolidations.  Bad idea.  Not surprised, just bummed.
    after last year and how wrong and wildly swinging polling numbers were, I dont trust any anymore.
    He will win the seat and Alabama will have a known child molester on its hands , another state I’ll never set foot on fuck Alabama..
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,425
    While i might feel like an asshole at times, I can always tell myself "at least i aint no Republican" and then feel a little better.  its sad, but it's something.
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    After  our 'disgraced' governor Mark Sanford (R) was later elected to Congress nothing surprises me. 
    I'm through with screaming
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Don't trust polling on this, nobody knows who will win.
    I'm not an anti-poll guy, but there are too many Republicans embarrassed to be voting for a Democrat or a pervert that aren't admitting what they will actually do at the poll.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Also, I feel the need to point out that the allegations against Roy Moore do not make him a child molester or a pedophile.
    Pervert creeper, for sure.
    Unfit for public office, definitely.
    Pedophile?  Child molester?  Not if you want to be correct.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dark money election! why so much being spent by dems?
    McMullin CIA guy

    One newly-minted liberal group, Highway 31, aired millions of dollars of ads, despite having no money in its bank account. 

    The $4.4 million boosting the Democratic candidate comes mainly from one mysterious super PAC and a group founded by Evan McMullin, who ran for president as an independent candidate in 2016. Moore, meanwhile, trails behind with the $1.3 million in support from a smattering of smaller entities.


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    JC29856 said:
    dark money election! why so much being spent by dems?
    McMullin CIA guy

    One newly-minted liberal group, Highway 31, aired millions of dollars of ads, despite having no money in its bank account. 

    The $4.4 million boosting the Democratic candidate comes mainly from one mysterious super PAC and a group founded by Evan McMullin, who ran for president as an independent candidate in 2016. Moore, meanwhile, trails behind with the $1.3 million in support from a smattering of smaller entities.


    Where were you when corporations are people, folks, happened? Woooooooooooo, the mysterious George Soros, wooooooooooooooo, maybe its from the Comet Pizza proprietor or his customers, wooooooooooooooooooooooooo! A mysterious Superpac, wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,689
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    I was curious about Moore's chances of winning so I checked Real ClearPolitics special election poll consolidations.  Bad idea.  Not surprised, just bummed.
    after last year and how wrong and wildly swinging polling numbers were, I dont trust any anymore.

    rgambs said:
    Don't trust polling on this, nobody knows who will win.
    I'm not an anti-poll guy, but there are too many Republicans embarrassed to be voting for a Democrat or a pervert that aren't admitting what they will actually do at the poll.
    OMG I hope those polls are wrong.  Does America really need another creep in office.  Good God no!
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Russia Russia Russia!

    Russian Propagandists Are Pushing for Roy Moore to Win

    Kremlin-linked trolls have also joined Trump and Fox News in targeting the FBI.


    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/russian-propagandists-are-pushing-for-roy-moore-to-win/
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    When you repeatedly quote yourself, you really don't have much to say.
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    I don't trust polls any longer but here's one I hope is right.

    Fox News Poll: Enthused Democrats give Jones lead over Moore in Alabama

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/11/fox-news-poll-enthused-democrats-give-jones-lead-over-moore-in-alabama.html
    Falling down,...not staying down
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,286
    lol tomorrow will be crazy if Jones wins Moore's people will claim rigged results take that to the bank and orange bafoon will be leading the charge ...
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    Kat said:
    I don't trust polls any longer but here's one I hope is right.

    Fox News Poll: Enthused Democrats give Jones lead over Moore in Alabama

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/11/fox-news-poll-enthused-democrats-give-jones-lead-over-moore-in-alabama.html
    Fake Faux News report to suppress the dem vote.
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    Kat said:
    I don't trust polls any longer but here's one I hope is right.

    Fox News Poll: Enthused Democrats give Jones lead over Moore in Alabama

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/11/fox-news-poll-enthused-democrats-give-jones-lead-over-moore-in-alabama.html
    Fake Faux News report to suppress the dem vote.

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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,232
    Kat said:
    I don't trust polls any longer but here's one I hope is right.

    Fox News Poll: Enthused Democrats give Jones lead over Moore in Alabama

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/11/fox-news-poll-enthused-democrats-give-jones-lead-over-moore-in-alabama.html
    Fake Faux News report to suppress the dem vote.
    Honestly, that's what I was thinking. Fox News is looking to invigorate the sexual assault sympathizers of Alabama to come out and vote for Roy the sexual predator because he knows God has a plan for him.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergs said:
    Kat said:
    I don't trust polls any longer but here's one I hope is right.

    Fox News Poll: Enthused Democrats give Jones lead over Moore in Alabama

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/11/fox-news-poll-enthused-democrats-give-jones-lead-over-moore-in-alabama.html
    Fake Faux News report to suppress the dem vote.
    Honestly, that's what I was thinking. Fox News is looking to invigorate the sexual assault sympathizers of Alabama to come out and vote for Roy the sexual predator because he knows God has a plan for him.
    “They” know god has a plan for him, “they.” I wonder if Roy Moore gets elected, does Alabama decriminalize child molestation? Lower the age of consent and marriage to 14 or 12?
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,519
    GOPP

    The Grand old Pedo Party
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,286
    lol Moore & wife like Jews 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    lol Moore & wife like Jews 
    correction, they hired one as a lawyer.  that does not make them friends.
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    The fix is in.

    In final-hour order, court rules that Alabama can destroy digital voting records after all - AL.com https://apple.news/AhlJYeTRWSDeT-LS8hhrKmw
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The fix is in.

    In final-hour order, court rules that Alabama can destroy digital voting records after all - AL.com https://apple.news/AhlJYeTRWSDeT-LS8hhrKmw
    have the PJ forums servers been hacked by Russians?
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    JC29856 said:
    The fix is in.

    In final-hour order, court rules that Alabama can destroy digital voting records after all - AL.com https://apple.news/AhlJYeTRWSDeT-LS8hhrKmw
    have the PJ forums servers been hacked by Russians?
    Morel risotto 
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    anyone remember the Dean scream?

    Moore and Staehle agreed. According to Staehle, they didn’t expect there was anything untoward going on at the “private club” because “there were legitimate private clubs” in Vietnam. The third man drove them to the club in his Jeep.

    Staehle said that, when he and Moore arrived, they soon realized the man had taken them to a brothel. The third man, Staehle suggested, essentially tricked them. “I could tell you what I saw but I don’t want to,” Staehle said mischievously.


    https://thinkprogress.org/speaker-at-moore-event-says-he-accidentally-went-with-moore-to-a-brothel-with-child-prostitutes-65c9819f8a1e/amp/
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,835
    Moore’s nephew, Tyson Martin, 31, a firefighter, said Moore would “bring morality” to the Senate if he wins.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/12/roy-moore-alabama-vote-sexual-misconduct-allegations

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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,122
    edited December 2017
    Ol' Roy rode a horse to the polls and it is CLEAR he has no idea how to ride a horse.  I don't have a video link, but this would be the equivalent if he tried to ride a motorcycle to the polls ....



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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Jason P said:
    Ol' Roy rode a horse to the polls and it is CLEAR he has no idea how too ride a horse.  I don't have a video link, but this would be the equivalent if he tried to ride a motorcycle to the polls ....



    terrible!

    (click at your own risk!)
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,232
    JC29856 said:
    Jason P said:
    Ol' Roy rode a horse to the polls and it is CLEAR he has no idea how too ride a horse.  I don't have a video link, but this would be the equivalent if he tried to ride a motorcycle to the polls ....



    terrible!

    (click at your own risk!)
    Someone check their family trees. I think Moore and Trump have to be related in some capacity.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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