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Binaural
http://www.hdtracks.com/catalog/product/view/id/532467/

Avocado
http://www.hdtracks.com/catalog/product/view/id/532838/s/pearl-jam-2017-mix/

Your resident Hi-Res guinea pig checking in with the Dynamic Range:

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Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Binaural
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR6       -0.10 dB    -7.22 dB      2:19 01-Breakerfall (Album Version)
DR6       -0.10 dB    -6.25 dB      2:26 02-Gods' Dice (Album Version)
DR6       -0.10 dB    -7.55 dB      2:56 03-Evacuation (Album Version)
DR4       -0.10 dB    -5.91 dB      5:07 04-Light Years
DR7       -0.10 dB    -8.70 dB      5:23 05-Nothing As It Seems
DR6       -0.10 dB    -8.44 dB      3:33 06-Thin Air (Album Version)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -6.38 dB      4:28 07-Insignificance (Album Version)
DR7       -0.10 dB    -8.75 dB      5:07 08-Of the Girl (Album Version)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -6.43 dB      3:15 09-Grievance (Album Version)
DR6       -0.10 dB    -8.17 dB      3:39 10-Rival (Album Version)
DR4        0.00 dB    -7.29 dB      4:48 11-Sleight of Hand (Album Version)
DR12      -0.10 dB   -16.63 dB      1:47 12-Soon Forget (Album Version)
DR6        0.00 dB    -9.91 dB      7:17 13-Parting Ways (Album Version)
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Number of tracks:  13
Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate:        192000 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   24
Bitrate:           2766 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
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Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Pearl Jam (2017 Mix)
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR4       -0.10 dB    -5.51 dB      3:53 01-Life Wasted (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -6.41 dB      3:29 02-World Wide Suicide (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -5.99 dB      2:20 03-Comatose (2017 Mix)
DR5        0.00 dB    -6.25 dB      4:30 04-Severed Hand (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -5.89 dB      4:23 05-Marker In the Sand (2017 Mix)
DR6       -0.10 dB    -7.30 dB      3:36 06-Parachutes (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -5.99 dB      3:04 07-Unemployable (2017 Mix)
DR4       -0.10 dB    -5.64 dB      2:58 08-Big Wave (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -6.87 dB      4:09 09-Gone (2017 Mix)
DR10      -0.10 dB   -13.04 dB      0:54 10-Wasted Reprise (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -6.97 dB      3:45 11-Army Reserve (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -5.79 dB      5:29 12-Come Back (2017 Mix)
DR5       -0.10 dB    -8.32 dB      7:06 13-Inside Job (2017 Mix)
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Number of tracks:  13
Official DR value: DR5

Samplerate:        192000 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   24
Bitrate:           5299 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
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    vogonpoetbythelakevogonpoetbythelake Posts: 2,146
    Well alright then....
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    mrk2mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,026
    Avocado remix is on Tidal (not the HD version, but standard lossless). Listened to two songs and my ears got tired of the compression. Sounds horrible.
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    Johnny WongJohnny Wong Wauwatosa, WI Posts: 193
    Disappointing.   But par for the course...
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,838
    Thanks!
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    Kev - Coat and KeysKev - Coat and Keys Earth Posts: 357
    Hmmm I saw this too in my Friday morning emails - is the 2017 mix of Avocado a thing? Do I need a purchase?
    I welcome any opinions, Team. Cheers.
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    So sad, such a great catalog of music deserves better.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    'Gone' is the only track up on Spotify. Sounds great to me.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    Drums sound way better to me.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    Cymbal crashes aren't as harsh.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,242
    It's also up on Google Play. Going to listen now.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,242
    I can already tell the difference on Life Wasted. Guitars and drums are pulled out more and less muddy.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,625
    Is the Avocado remix worth $24.99?
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,242
    It does seem like they raised Stone and Jeff's levels, but toned down McCready :( very noticeable on Severed Hand and Inside Job. Vocals are a lot cleaner.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    RS151862 said:
    Is the Avocado remix worth $24.99?
    For a DR of 5... to me that's a BIG no. But its your money.
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    darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,476
    RS151862 said:
    Is the Avocado remix worth $24.99?
    There's also a 44.1kHz/24bit version for $17.99. I should have put it in my original post, but you can also get 15% off with coupon code HD10NOV. If you get on the HDtracks email list, there are times where they have a 20% off storewide coupon.

    I will agree with the sentiment that the new mix is less harsh on the ears.
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    Binaural should be better  :s
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    BK5403BK5403 Posts: 50
    @darthvedder thanks for posting.

    saved me a good chunk of money. high res only allows the music to sound better if the band lets it.
    lots of dynamic compression = person who yells ALL the time
    versus ... 
    minimal dynamic compression = person who sometimes speaks quietly, sometimes speaks normally and sometimes yells. when they yell, you really pay attention. but when a person yells all the time your ears hurt and you tune them out. 

    i get it though ... dynamically compressing the crap out of music is better for "noisier" situations when people aren't giving full attention to the music (parties, headphones while walking or at the gym, in the car, etc.) how many people do you know that just sit and listen to the music with no distractions and no other noise? very few people listen to music like that anymore. 

    if i could push a magic button, i'd want bands to do two mixes/masterings: (1) for mainstream listening and (2) for the few people who want to get really involved with the music and pay full attention to it and are willing to pay a few extra bucks for the effort that goes into this type of mix/master in a high res format. 
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    Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,002
    tbergs said:
    It does seem like they raised Stone and Jeff's levels, but toned down McCready :( very noticeable on Severed Hand and Inside Job. Vocals are a lot cleaner.
    Maybe it's my headphones but I can barely hear the solo/riff during the intro of inside job, same with the piano.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,242
    Hawk123 said:
    tbergs said:
    It does seem like they raised Stone and Jeff's levels, but toned down McCready :( very noticeable on Severed Hand and Inside Job. Vocals are a lot cleaner.
    Maybe it's my headphones but I can barely hear the solo/riff during the intro of inside job, same with the piano.
    That's what I noticed too. I even thought Eds vocals sounded re recorded until I did a comparison with the original. Seems to be the pattern all across the remix; muted lead guitar part. Really changes the songs.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,476
    BK5403 said:
    @darthvedder thanks for posting.

    saved me a good chunk of money. high res only allows the music to sound better if the band lets it.
    lots of dynamic compression = person who yells ALL the time
    versus ... 
    minimal dynamic compression = person who sometimes speaks quietly, sometimes speaks normally and sometimes yells. when they yell, you really pay attention. but when a person yells all the time your ears hurt and you tune them out. 

    i get it though ... dynamically compressing the crap out of music is better for "noisier" situations when people aren't giving full attention to the music (parties, headphones while walking or at the gym, in the car, etc.) how many people do you know that just sit and listen to the music with no distractions and no other noise? very few people listen to music like that anymore. 

    if i could push a magic button, i'd want bands to do two mixes/masterings: (1) for mainstream listening and (2) for the few people who want to get really involved with the music and pay full attention to it and are willing to pay a few extra bucks for the effort that goes into this type of mix/master in a high res format. 
    You're welcome. And I'd push that same magic button with you.
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    RVM1978RVM1978 Leesburg, FL Posts: 320
    Just picked up both of these and so far the "Pearl Jam 2017 Mix" is spectacular to my ears.  I really think those DR numbers are skewed to 16 bit recordings.  24 offers a bigger sound stage.  It's just my two cents, but so far so good.  Listening to "Marker in the Sand" now, and it is remarkably better than the CD version.  Then again, I always thought this was the worst sounding CD they ever made, so there was only room to improve it. 
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    darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,476
    RVM1978 said:
    Just picked up both of these and so far the "Pearl Jam 2017 Mix" is spectacular to my ears.  I really think those DR numbers are skewed to 16 bit recordings.  24 offers a bigger sound stage.  It's just my two cents, but so far so good.  Listening to "Marker in the Sand" now, and it is remarkably better than the CD version.  Then again, I always thought this was the worst sounding CD they ever made, so there was only room to improve it. 
    Agreed on Marker. That and Gone were the two tracks that stood out in the new mix.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,013
    edited November 2017
    Will have to listen this through, up on Spotify
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    The RockThe Rock Posts: 1,388
    Gone sounds no better to these ears. It's weak sauce, and I'm still a bit salty that they ever made a full band version of a perfectly acceptable Ed solo song.

    Apart from that, I like the new mix. WWS, Severed Hand, Marker, Come Back, and Inside Job sound remarkably different.
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,775
    Fell back in love with avocado yesterday. New mix sounds great to me. 
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    hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,868
    noticing a lot of the 24 bit 44k stuff of late (can we even hear a difference between 44/96/128 etc?), are the bands and record companies already getting lazy on HD stuff?  Master of Puppets finally came out, the DR is closer to 8/9 on their analysis...which as far as those numbers go is pretty mediocre......

    I guess in the end listen yourself numbers aside,and if it sounds better it is worth it, if not, then dont buy it
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    May 30thMay 30th Posts: 1,655
    new avocado was blasted in my headphones this morning.  lots of new stuff to hear and revisit.  thought life wasted and WWS were crazy different.  in a good way...
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    Dr.Teeth and the Electric MayhDr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,177
    WWS sounds very different
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 11,948
    Come back. Cymbol way loud. I agree with inside job . I think its worse in my opinion. 
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    Dr.Teeth and the Electric MayhDr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,177
    It seems like they dulled the whole album. Its probably my third favorite, but this reissue lost the bite. 
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