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‘Seattle is dead’: Mourning the potential loss of Black Dog Forge, Pearl Jam’s birthplace

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Black Dog Forge co-owners and business partners Louis Raffloer and Mary Reid Gioia have been in Belltown for two decades. (Alan Berner/The Seattle Times) The building that houses Black Dog Forge, and which includes the basement where Pearl Jam first played together, is up for sale. Now band members and other artists hope whoever buys the building preserves its history.

By Nicole Brodeur Seattle Times staff columnist

We have become used to saying goodbye to our places here. Restaurants and bars. Camera and clock shops and concert spaces. Places we liked just for the color they added to the city. But when news broke the other day that the Second Avenue building that houses the Black Dog Forge would soon be up for sale, something in me snapped. Basta, I thought. Enough.

The basement of the forge (and the adjacent Studio Gioia) is where the band that would become Pearl Jam first met and played together. Eddie Vedder arrived straight from the airport after flying in from San Diego, telling bassist Jeff Ament in the car, “I don’t want to mess around. Let’s get to work.” They did, and in a matter of months their sound drew the world to Seattle: music lovers, hopefuls, armies of A&R guys from major record labels. Entire industries and lives were built on what came out of that basement. In a city that is increasingly losing its landmarks, our music history is invaluable — worth far more than a likely sleek stack of apartments, where those with no sense of the artistic burial ground on which they live create little more than craft cocktails and code.

Basta. “Long live Belltown,” Ament said the other day. “Seattle is dead. “It’s sad to see the color and life sucked out of our city,” he said, “but makes sense that ‘the other folks’ would eventually want to move back downtown.” Guitarist Stone Gossard was tipped off to the place by photographer Spike Mafford, who showed his work at Galleria Potatohead, which was in the same building and fronted Second Avenue.“We built walls and decorated the space with art, posters and other inspirational pieces,” Ament recalled. “And we had an actual P.A., which we never had until then.” During breaks they found coffee at Cafe Septieme, breakfast at Cyclops. Burritos at Mama’s Mexican Kitchen. They went to the Vogue to listen to DJ James Babyteeth.

And they got to know Louie Raffloer and Mary Gioia, he of Black Dog and she of the adjacent Studio Gioia, who have been working in and renting the space for 25 years. “The Black Dog crew are the last of the old Belltown artist spirit,” Ament said. “They create beautiful and functional forged pieces, of which I have a house full of railings, gates, doors and light fixtures that they made for me. “Louie and Mary are true artisans and the gatekeepers to one of the iconic neighborhoods the city has ever seen.” I stopped by the morning after the news broke, and found Raffloer and Gioia standing outside in the sun with their two dogs. Gioia recalled the day last week when the man who collects their rent came by and told her it would be the last time he did so. The building owner had decided to sell, and they had two months left. “I was just nauseous,” Gioia said.

The parcel officially includes three addresses: the combined Black Dog Forge and Studio Gioia, the RIZOM clothing store and an art gallery fronting Second Avenue.It is all owned by the family of Janet Butler, the longtime owner who died within the last year. “She loved artists,” Raffloer said. “This was their patronage. They were angels to many artists.” (Those included bands like Soundgarden and The Presidents of the United States of America, rap and hip-hop artists, and clothing and jewelry designers.) King County tax rolls appraise the land at $2.4 million — up from $1.8 million just a year ago. But we all know it will go for way more than that. Butler’s son, Frank, told Gioia that he had turned down two $5 million offers from foreign investors in the last few years, and hoped to sell to someone local who wants to preserve the building.

In the meantime, Charity Drewery — whose “Stalking Seattle” tour includes a stop at the Black Dog — has started a GoFundMe page hoping to raise $4 million to buy the building.One donor, Paul Franklin-Bihary, supplemented a $25 donation with this: "This space, in an indirect yet profound way, helped me craft my sense of self, increase my pride of being a born-and-bred Seattleite, and expand my soul by helping all of these amazing Seattle bands develop their music and share it with the world. I hope this project works. We need some of our past to remain intact in this city, and, as a cultural landmark, this building matters.”

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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,738
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    If the campaign doesn’t reach its goal, Drewery said she will give the money to Raffloer and Gioia to help cover whatever it costs to relocate 20 tons of forging equipment. In a bit of irony, Raffloer never liked grunge music. He’s a country-western guy. “Back in the day, that’s what we used to crank not to hear them downstairs,” he said. ”We’re delightfully ignorant. Is ‘Ten’ a song or an album?” Photographer Lance Mercer shot Pearl Jam’s first publicity photos in the basement, and when the band moved out with the rent prepaid, Mercer set up shop there, developing photos and rehearsing with his own band, The Briefs.

    “Any space that you spend a long time in, there’s a smell, there’s a vibe,” he said. “I have a lot of personal history in that room. It’s like your grandparents’ house, but with this, it’s like, you know, smoke and stale beer and puke.” He remembered the day actor Kelsey Grammer came down the alley from a nearby park where his show, “Frasier,” was filming. “The Forge was going with noise, there was a band practicing and he ran down the alley, saying, ‘Please! Please!’ ” Mercer recalled. “We didn’t give a (expletive) that it was Kelsey Grammer. ‘How much are you going to pay us? What, buy us lunch and then what else?’ ” In that sense, Black Forge was a clubhouse for artists. And, in his mind, protected because of that.

    “I always thought it was the last place where artists could be and work without feeling threatened by all the things going on around there and having to move out.” Mercer loved the outcry that followed news of the sale. “I think it’s a great opportunity for people to fight back against big developers,” he said. “It’s unrealistic to think that they can raise the money. But it’s like a petition. It will make people take notice.” Drewery is hoping philanthropist Paul Allen or one of the bands will take notice and perhaps buy and preserve the building. “If it was 1991 Belltown,” Ament said, “we would buy that building in a heartbeat.” Realists that they are, Raffloer and Gioia took a ride down to the South Park and Georgetown neighborhoods to see what’s out there, and found that even those neighborhoods are being gentrified and jacked up.“We have no idea what it’s like to rent in this city,” Raffloer said. “We’re about to find out.”

    Nicole Brodeur’s column appears Tuesday and Sunday. Reach her at 206-464-2334 or nbrodeur@seattletimes.com.

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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    These kinds of changes are sad. Vancouver's been through it too, and yeah, the city is now basically a faceless, dead place full of glass condo towers. It's quite depressing, and it really does damage the "feel" of any city that suffers from sudden and extreme and permanent real estate booms. The properties just become too expensive for people to hold on to, and that destroys the soul of the city, because nothing meaningful replaces them.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,930
    Sad indeed.  Times they are a changin'.  In Chicago there is quite a bit of this going on near Wrigley Field.  Much of the neighborhood is being taken over with swanky shops and hotels. I'm all for developing and improving areas, but I feel like a lot of the history and the life is getting sucked out of the ballpark and neighborhood in favor of high end shops. I guess that's part of the tradeoff of winning a World Series. 
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    kramer73kramer73 Posts: 2,599
    4 mill?  Good luck.
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,738
    edited June 2017
    Thanks to Charity I went on her sweet "Stalking Seattle" tour last November. Here's some of my photos I took inside.




     

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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,930
    ^Awesome pics! 
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,930
    kramer73 said:
    4 mill?  Good luck.
    I have an idea. They can release a lot of the long-awaited boots, blu rays, etc and use the proceeds to buy the building! $4 mill will be a drop in the bucket  ;)
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,738
    bbiggs said:
    kramer73 said:
    4 mill?  Good luck.
    I have an idea. They can release a lot of the long-awaited boots, blu rays, etc and use the proceeds to buy the building! $4 mill will be a drop in the bucket  ;)
    They would have to release an incredibly lot of bootlegs and yet that won't cover the costs to make the owners of the building happy.

    Checking the tax roll history http://blue.kingcounty.com/Assessor/eRealProperty/Dashboard.aspx?ParcelNbr=0656000230
    Back in '98/'99 - Taxable total ($) 464,000. '17/'18 - $2,448,500.

    https://savingplaces.org/stories/six-reasons-save-old-buildings . It's tough, and especially it's location is in downtown Seattle. Property value always goes up downtown.

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    cockagecockage Posts: 456
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    so sad. that place holds a lot of history....here's one picture you may not have seen from that room...

    (larger version - https://flic.kr/p/VpkfLP)
    ive tried figuring out the dates on some of these setlists. this is what i came up with (not exact but best guess based upon available info)

    (larger version - https://flic.kr/p/VkLnaA)

    the 3rd one from the left (in green) is the closest i could find to the only recorded time of playing brother before they brought it back in 09....played 2.7.91 - only difference is that Breath and Alone were actually played in the other order than whats listed, but besides that all is actually the same. So i could assume that setlist is from 2.7.91.

    Which means that the first one on the left (in red) is an unknown setlist because no other instance of Brother is actually recorded from that time frame....

    and regarding Girl, there were only 2 instances of recorded PJ history in which that song was played - 10.22.90 and 1.11.91. Neither of which match up to the setlist (its the one on the right which is backwards from the camera in red)...

    also, the white paper (second from the right):

    Breath + A Scream       Doobie          Breath
    Bloody Name                Weird A         Animal
    I'm Still Alive                 Dollar             Alive
    Blame                           ?Times          ?Footsteps
    Washed in Black           E Bal              Black
    She Has Everything      ?Zep             ?Untitled
    Oceans Away                ?Dissin D      Oceans
    -Ben- Evenflo                ?Mean D Jam    Even Flow
    Once                             ?Agyptian      Once
    First Step              -                             ?Release
    Alone                   -                               Alone
    Girl -One-Time-         -                         Girl

    and finally, anyone else notice those 2 Bad Radio flyers below the middle setlists. Interesting to see those mixed in with pj stuff...

    as i said, lots and lots of history....

    i have a few more pictures of them in this room. ill post soon.



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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,738
    Sweet man!!!

    I have 2 more shots. One I had to cut out. There were alot of Xrated photos inside that place.



    Those PJ set lists, I don't recall seeing those back in November.
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    cockagecockage Posts: 456
    these pictures are from '91....
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,738
    Bump! 

    Let's hope the owners of the property have a good heart and keep Black Dog Forge where it is. 
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    mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,749
    Belltown has become a cesspool for D-Bags, bros and night club scenes for many years now. Scrap it and move on to a neighborhood that will welcome art. Enjoy what it was,  but go ahead and make new history...the PacNW is still a young region.
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    MoonsunMoonsun Milan, Italy Posts: 32
    It is a real pity that this place is going to disappear as melting snow in Spring. When I read about the news and the fundraising Charity had launched, I was pretty sure they would raise enough money to make the owner reconsider the thing. At least...I was sure that PJ fans around the world would give a littel help. As I hoped someone famous and wealthy would come and save the joint. I was so wrong. As I said, it is a pity. I guess it has a different meaning/effect on people if you "know the place", because you have been there, and you have seen in person a place, you had read about somewhere, once. Otherwise, it only remains a name on a book, or a magazine. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    Belltown has become a cesspool for D-Bags, bros and night club scenes for many years now. Scrap it and move on to a neighborhood that will welcome art. Enjoy what it was,  but go ahead and make new history...the PacNW is still a young region.
    Yeah, I have to agree. It's a shame to lose a bit of history, but sometimes it's just not worth it to save it. I mean, the place is just falling apart, eventually it would just end up in total ruins, rotting away - it would end up just being depressing.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,738

    27 years ago today, a guy named Eddie flew to Seattle to meet up with some dudes in a basement. Things went well and they went on to take over the world. Their lead guitar player is now a fu(k!ng GOD. #PearlJam#MikeMcCready #SeattleMusic


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    SarahSarah Toronto Posts: 736
    Wow. Some amazing PJ history there. Very sad to hear of what's become of the place.
    Bittersweet thread...
    "Somewhere in between / There and here / I got lost / I got scared..."
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    hsohihsohi Posts: 1,033
    It's progress. The city and neighbourhoods change and move on. But really I like PJ but I could care less about the space. Am I supposed to visit the empty room and walk around saying wow this is where PJ started, expecting to feel something. Most agree as the latest the GoFundMe campaign is sitting at $6000 trying to reach $4 Million. 
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    PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,585
    Magic happened there!!
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    mikeliskamikeliska Posts: 248
    hsohi said:
    It's progress. The city and neighbourhoods change and move on. But really I like PJ but I could care less about the space. Am I supposed to visit the empty room and walk around saying wow this is where PJ started, expecting to feel something. Most agree as the latest the GoFundMe campaign is sitting at $6000 trying to reach $4 Million. 
    Yeah, that's kind of how I feel.  I appreciate the history of the place but it's not like they're going to turn the place into some museum or something for $4M.  You're basically just trying to help a blacksmith (in 2017) stay in a $4M property.
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