America's Gun Violence

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    We are talking about gun shows and their tendancy toward catering to extremists.
    It's relevant.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    edited September 2017
    There is nothing weird about a WWII buff having some Nazi artifacts in their WWII collection. There IS something very weird about some gun nut buying Nazi crap because he thinks it's awesome (and I think there is probably a large number of people like that). Same goes for Confederate stuff. Context is everything.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,195
    PJ_Soul said:
    There is nothing weird about a WWII buff having some Nazi artifacts in their WWII collection. There IS something very weird about some gun nut buying Nazi crap because he thinks it's awesome (and I think there is probably a large number of people like that). Same goes for Confederate stuff. Context is everything.
    I agree with the first part of your comment. The second is just speculation and labeling. I'm sure there are plenty of non gun nut Nazi lovers and sympathisers.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    There is nothing weird about a WWII buff having some Nazi artifacts in their WWII collection. There IS something very weird about some gun nut buying Nazi crap because he thinks it's awesome (and I think there is probably a large number of people like that). Same goes for Confederate stuff. Context is everything.
    I agree with the first part of your comment. The second is just speculation and labeling. I'm sure there are plenty of non gun nut Nazi lovers and sympathisers.
    My comment doesn't exclude all the non-gun nuts who are Nazi lovers. Of course there are also neo-nazis and sympathizers who aren't gun nuts.
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  • CM189191 said:
    I remember being at a gun show in the 80s and there was all this nazi memorabilia. Kind of creepy when I think about it now.  
    I'm sure it's a totally different crowd that attends gun shows nowadays.  


    Where's Waldo? 
    Don't you mean where's Eric and Dylan?
    The TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun!

    It's tough to argue against them given how much practicality they offer the American average joe.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    mace1229 said:
    Yes. Many WWII collectors will collect items from USA< England, Russia and even Germany. I see nothing wrong with that if it is being collected as a historical artifact. I personally wouldnt care to own anything connected to Nazi, but if it is for a historical WWII collection I dont see anything wrong with it.
    Yeah I have ww2 weapons from Russia, England, Germany and USA.  I also have a few bring home items that are German: belt buckles, pins, bayonets and a rifle. Kind of weird knowing that an actually nazi fighting my grandfather held these but i appreciate it because it is a huge piece of world history. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    CM189191 said:
    I remember being at a gun show in the 80s and there was all this nazi memorabilia. Kind of creepy when I think about it now.  
    I'm sure it's a totally different crowd that attends gun shows nowadays.  


    Where's Waldo? 
    Don't you mean where's Eric and Dylan?
    The TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun!

    It's tough to argue against them given how much practicality they offer the American average joe.
    No reason for that weapon to exist. You can't hunt with it and I sure as hell wouldn't defend my family with that piece of crap. 

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  • mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    I remember being at a gun show in the 80s and there was all this nazi memorabilia. Kind of creepy when I think about it now.  
    I'm sure it's a totally different crowd that attends gun shows nowadays.  


    Where's Waldo? 
    Don't you mean where's Eric and Dylan?
    The TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun!

    It's tough to argue against them given how much practicality they offer the American average joe.
    No reason for that weapon to exist. You can't hunt with it and I sure as hell wouldn't defend my family with that piece of crap. 

    Don't open that can of worms, Scruffy!
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Worth noting that German soldier is not necessarily synonymous with Nazi, and when you are talking about memorabilia, the difference is significant.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    rgambs said:
    Worth noting that German soldier is not necessarily synonymous with Nazi, and when you are talking about memorabilia, the difference is significant.
    correct, big difference.  I would never in a million years own anything from the SS.  
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,786
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
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  • I don't know.

    My buddy had a German knife given to him by his grandfather who served. It was an interesting piece. It sparked conversation every time he displayed it to us. He never bragged about it and was the farthest thing from a Nazi as one could be.

    It was just a piece of history for him. The knife carried much significance in a few areas. We never felt it was weird or wrong. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    Along with your Obama signed Koran? Sure.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,786
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    Along with your Obama signed Koran? Sure.
    What are you talking about?  
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    edited September 2017
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    edited September 2017
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.

    Whoa - little bit of an over-reaction there.

    No one is dictating whether you can own this stuff or not. You claimed that CM was arguing against preserving history, when anyone who claims to be a history buff should know that artifacts are going to be better preserved and displayed for people to actually learn from in a museum, compared to a private collection.

    And, unAmerican? Is this another one of those "my ancestors died for freedom of speech but it's unAmerican to actually use it" arguments?
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
    Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade made
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
    Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade made
     from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
    This is a little unfair.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,786
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
    I suppose it depends on how it was acquired.
    Family heirloom? Keep it, all yours. 
    Spoils of war? Should be returned. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
    Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade made
     from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
    Holy exaggeration bat man!! Lol
    howecer i did say I would never keep anything from the ss.  They are some sick people. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
    Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade made
     from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
    Holy exaggeration bat man!! Lol
    howecer i did say I would never keep anything from the ss.  They are some sick people. 

    At least you saw my facisitousness in that post but where does the ethics line get crossed when it comes to this stuff? Hitler's pistol? Scalps? Shrunken heads? Uniforms with bullet holes? Personal items taken from bodies? Where do the gun show crowds draw the line on war memorabilia?
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  • Responsible gun owners until they're not seem to contribute to a large percentage of illegal gun possession that results in gun crime. But yea, don't hold them responsible.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime

    Guess this wasn't one of your 10 sources you looked at?
     
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
    So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican.  Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?
    Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
    Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade made
     from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
    Holy exaggeration bat man!! Lol
    howecer i did say I would never keep anything from the ss.  They are some sick people. 

    At least you saw my facisitousness in that post but where does the ethics line get crossed when it comes to this stuff? Hitler's pistol? Scalps? Shrunken heads? Uniforms with bullet holes? Personal items taken from bodies? Where do the gun show crowds draw the line on war memorabilia?
    Hitler's pistol....I could never afford it but I see no issues with it.  
    Scalps and shrunken heads...no thanks. (do they sell these?!)
    Personal items taken from bodies and uniforms with bullet holes...no issues with it.  I'm sure a few items I own were taken from a dead german soldier.

    I've never been to a gun show as they are illegal in new jersey; is the sales of nazi memorabilia a big part of these shows?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,956
    Responsible gun owners until they're not seem to contribute to a large percentage of illegal gun possession that results in gun crime. But yea, don't hold them responsible.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime

    Guess this wasn't one of your 10 sources you looked at?
     
    Unclear on what your point is? The title of the article and the opening line compeltely agree with what I've been saying. The article starts with "Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh." And continues to defend the fact that gun crimes are committed by those who illegally possess guns.
    Not sure what I was supposed to take from that article, or how it disagrees with what I said? States exactly what I already said.
    It a nutshell, only 18% of guns used in a crime were used by the person who purchased it. Exactly what I said. And my comment was simply gun laws should target that. 

    How exactly does your source disagree or disprove anything I've said? It actually agrees with all of it.

    I would also add that your article doesn't go further into that 18%, but a portion of that 18% cannot legally own guns (the guns were purchased prior to an offense), or have some other criminal record. So again, target unlawful gun owners, and strict requirements for those with any criminal record.

    Thank you for another great resource backing my point.
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