So, if I wear all black I should be stopped and frisked because I might be in Antifa? Or if I wear red, I'm assumed to be in the bloods? Or wearing blue, I'm in the crips? Yo check yourself 'cause PJPower says you out yo mind yo!
It wasn't a deliberately defiant practice... it was lack of knowledge.
Another responsible gun owner! Maybe some sort of mandatory gun safety training would be appropriate?
Although I wouldn't be completely opposed to that, that also sums up what many see as the problem with gun control. It doesn't resolve anything. Most gun deaths are suicide, gun safety won't prevent that. Most violent crimes committed with a gun, the gun was obtained illegally. Gun safety won't solve that either. And then there's the big debate on assault rifles, magazine limits, a forward stock etc, that does nothing to prevent it either.
Gun control should focus on mental health and cracking down on the laws that already exist. If we could help the mentally ill, and keep guns out of the hands of criminal, that would solve 95% (yes, that is a made-up stat, my point is it would solve the vast majority) of gun deaths. But we ignore the mental health, and if you crack down on gangs then you're racist nowadays. So unfortunately that is never the case, politicians make their careers by banning weapons that aren't used in crimes, making focusing on gun policy that doesn't address the real problems with guns and talking big about the NRA.
This is a great post, gun safety isn't going to do shit. Classic "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" scenario. The mental health thing is so unbelievably obvious. It frustrates the fuck out of me why it's so difficult to get the NRA and politicians behind common sense legislature in this area.
I would add that there is another major problem that you would need to consider in your "95%" or "vast majority" of the problem if you want that number/statement to be true, and that's the gun show loophole and the black market. You mention how most violent crime is from guns obtained illegally. How is it that these guns are being obtained? I'm not an expert on this issue but I know I've read a lot of stuff in the past about how deals are done at gun shows in very shady manners, and that certain specific manufactures (I seem to remember S&W being the main one) have been cited in letting this type of activity go on without doing anything to stop it. If you add this to your list of things that need to be addressed then I think that 95% number would be pretty accurate.
And I'm not saying that these murderous criminals got these guns from gun shows, I'd say it's more likely that they got it from a guy, who got it from a guy, who got it from a guy that got it at a gun show. Obviously that's impossible to prove but I think if we all apply some basic logic it's easy to see that shady gun show deals that are mostly ignored by the law are the root of most of the black market/illegal gun ownership problems.
I agree it's totally stupid to say that guns bought for protection should be locked up. If they're locked up with the ammo kept separate then they aren't really for home defense anymore, so what's the point? Gun advocates know that. They just spew that shit as a defense mechanism.
I advocate locking the gun and ammo/magazine in a quick access biometric or coded pistol safe. Those can be accessed in less than 5 seconds if needed. Most gun owners I know do this, if for nothing else, to keep them from being stolen. You are not going to get rid of guns, so educating more on the appropriate storage/usage and possible consequences for being irresponsible is imperative.
Maybe we need some new laws??? Quite a departure from the classic "we just need to enforce the laws we have".
In their defense I do live in Pennsyltucky, or northern West Virginia as I like to call it. So their experience is likely one extreme and mine is the other, so the average and the reality is somewhere in the middle.
I'm an hour or so west of Pittsburgh and it's the same here. Only the people who are very serious about their guns fall in line with, not surprisingly, the very serious gun owners here.
I agree it's totally stupid to say that guns bought for protection should be locked up. If they're locked up with the ammo kept separate then they aren't really for home defense anymore, so what's the point? Gun advocates know that. They just spew that shit as a defense mechanism.
I advocate locking the gun and ammo/magazine in a quick access biometric or coded pistol safe. Those can be accessed in less than 5 seconds if needed. Most gun owners I know do this, if for nothing else, to keep them from being stolen. You are not going to get rid of guns, so educating more on the appropriate storage/usage and possible consequences for being irresponsible is imperative.
Maybe we need some new laws??? Quite a departure from the classic "we just need to enforce the laws we have".
And who is going to make and how will they enforce these "new laws"? What new laws would you create that would curb gun violence in cities like Chicago?
Gun control should focus ... cracking down on the laws that already exist.
' well-regulated militia '
I agree
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I agree it's totally stupid to say that guns bought for protection should be locked up. If they're locked up with the ammo kept separate then they aren't really for home defense anymore, so what's the point? Gun advocates know that. They just spew that shit as a defense mechanism.
I advocate locking the gun and ammo/magazine in a quick access biometric or coded pistol safe. Those can be accessed in less than 5 seconds if needed. Most gun owners I know do this, if for nothing else, to keep them from being stolen. You are not going to get rid of guns, so educating more on the appropriate storage/usage and possible consequences for being irresponsible is imperative.
Maybe we need some new laws??? Quite a departure from the classic "we just need to enforce the laws we have".
And who is going to make and how will they enforce these "new laws"? What new laws would you create that would curb gun violence in cities like Chicago?
I wasn't commenting on gang violence in Chicago, I was commenting on the topic of secure and safe storage. I think the Congressional houses should come together for some laws that would criminalize unsafe storage and set punishments for firearms finding their way into children's hands and firearms being stolen.
I agree it's totally stupid to say that guns bought for protection should be locked up. If they're locked up with the ammo kept separate then they aren't really for home defense anymore, so what's the point? Gun advocates know that. They just spew that shit as a defense mechanism.
I advocate locking the gun and ammo/magazine in a quick access biometric or coded pistol safe. Those can be accessed in less than 5 seconds if needed. Most gun owners I know do this, if for nothing else, to keep them from being stolen. You are not going to get rid of guns, so educating more on the appropriate storage/usage and possible consequences for being irresponsible is imperative.
Maybe we need some new laws??? Quite a departure from the classic "we just need to enforce the laws we have".
And who is going to make and how will they enforce these "new laws"? What new laws would you create that would curb gun violence in cities like Chicago?
I wasn't commenting on gang violence in Chicago, I was commenting on the topic of secure and safe storage. I think the Congressional houses should come together for some laws that would criminalize unsafe storage and set punishments for firearms finding their way into children's hands and firearms being stolen.
How could you possibly enforce something like that?
Was it the gun or the perp that was illegal in the Aurora movie theater massacre? Was it the gun or the perps that were illegal at Columbine? Santa Barbara? Sandy Hook? How about the guy in the Florida movie theater who shot the guy for yaking on his cell phone during the previews? Was it him or his gun that was illegal? Can you guess what they all had in common? This one doesn't quite fit but was it the perp or his guns at Virginia Tech that was illegal? How about the church in Charleston, SC? Was it the perp or his guns that was illegal? He fits though, don't he? Dallas? Anyone want to tell me what was illegal in Dallas? The gun or the perp?
Finding a handful of examples doesn't disprove that many acts are from illegally obtained guns or people who legally aren't allowed to be in possession of a gun. But my other point was mental illness as well. Many, even most of your list would be considered mentally ill on your list, even if they weren't diagnosed before the fact. i don't know if I haven't been clear or what. I'm not against gun control at all. But gun control should focus on the problem. Prevent people from getting guns who shouldn't have them. Be more strict against those who break gun laws (possession of stolen gun, illegal possession of guns, etc).
It wasn't a deliberately defiant practice... it was lack of knowledge.
Another responsible gun owner! Maybe some sort of mandatory gun safety training would be appropriate?
Although I wouldn't be completely opposed to that, that also sums up what many see as the problem with gun control. It doesn't resolve anything. Most gun deaths are suicide, gun safety won't prevent that. Most violent crimes committed with a gun, the gun was obtained illegally. Gun safety won't solve that either. And then there's the big debate on assault rifles, magazine limits, a forward stock etc, that does nothing to prevent it either.
Gun control should focus on mental health and cracking down on the laws that already exist. If we could help the mentally ill, and keep guns out of the hands of criminal, that would solve 95% (yes, that is a made-up stat, my point is it would solve the vast majority) of gun deaths. But we ignore the mental health, and if you crack down on gangs then you're racist nowadays. So unfortunately that is never the case, politicians make their careers by banning weapons that aren't used in crimes, making focusing on gun policy that doesn't address the real problems with guns and talking big about the NRA.
Why not both? If 60% of gun deaths are suicides, that doesn't mean we ignore the other 40%.
Why isn't the gun lobby promoting mental health care to help solve the problem? Instead they're focusing on defeating laws that would restrict firearm ownership to the mentally unstable.
Yes, but the "other" isn't 40%. The "other" is really closer to 5-10% And by other, I am referring to non-suicides or crimes with legally owned guns. Essentially illegally owned guns and suicides make up far more than half gun crimes. Its hard to find an exact figure, but based on the definition used most sources will claim somewhere between like 50-95% of violent gun crimes are with illegal guns. The range is so big because of the definition of "illegally owned." If you go strictly by a gun that was purchased on the black market or other illegal means, then it is closer to the 50%. If you go with anyone who should not even be in possession of a firearm because of a felony conviction or any other reason, then it jumps to 90-95%. That latter definition makes more sense, because it was illegally possessed. So solving the illegal gun market and mental health will solve 95% of the gun problem. So why is it than nearly none of the gun legislature will focus on it? That's why anti-gun lobbyist are sometimes viewed as caring more about their anti-gun image than actually solving anything. That's why it seems pointless to introduce more gun legislature, because if we just focused on the gun laws we already have there would be a dramatic decrease. And since 90% of gun crimes are with illegal guns, new gun legislature won;t have an impact on those committing the crimes.
Its like being on the Titanic and trying to fix a leaky gasket on rudder arm and completely ignoring the gaping hole that will sink the ship in 90 minutes.
not what I said. I've rephrased it about 3 times now and it keeps getting ignored, or some irrelevant meme posted instead. Why do the majority of anti-gun lobbyists and law makers focus on laws that impact only 5-10% of the problem, and ignore the 90% ?
No where did I state it can't be solved. But it wont be solved by focusing on the wrong issues and ignore mental illness, gangs and other criminals with guns.
So are you going to rephrase what I said and twist it into something I didn't say, post another meme, or respond to my point?
As I said, suicides make up about half of gun deaths. Criminals make up most of the other half. Why do gun laws focus on assault rifles (which is about 1%) and high capacity mags far more than anything else? I'm not necessarily against some restrictions on those. I just also believe they are meaningless if you don't impact the bigger problem. We used to be good an helping those with mental illness, but not anymore. Better programs for that first. Violent offenders and known gang affiliates should lose some rights, stop and search should be allowed for anyone flying gang colors. That is one images I had when I said gang crackdown will lead to racial criticism. But in my view, if you chose to join a violent gang and chose to advertise it, then that is the choice you made. I dont give a crap fif you get stopped 100 times on the way to the grocery store.
Are you sure criminals make up the other half? Are those the illegal guns, the convicted criminals that shouldn't be in possession of guns or law abiding responsible gun owners until they're not who make up the criminals responsible for the other half of gun deaths?
I didn't say they make up the other half. I said it was a very large portion. Suicides make up the biggest demographic of gun fatalities. I beleieve the next biggest demographic was criminals. The data varied widely based on how you define criminal and an illegal gun. But take the broadest definition and say that either the victim or perp and a criminal record, was involved in criminal activity at the time, used an illegally obtained weapon then that category was easily the next biggest demographic. So it makes sense to me that gun laws should reflect those stats. I think gun restrictions that target those aspects are good ones, and blanket restrictions that would essentially only affect legal and lawful gun owners not not effective at all.
Was it the gun or the perp that was illegal in the Aurora movie theater massacre? Was it the gun or the perps that were illegal at Columbine? Santa Barbara? Sandy Hook? How about the guy in the Florida movie theater who shot the guy for yaking on his cell phone during the previews? Was it him or his gun that was illegal? Can you guess what they all had in common? This one doesn't quite fit but was it the perp or his guns at Virginia Tech that was illegal? How about the church in Charleston, SC? Was it the perp or his guns that was illegal? He fits though, don't he? Dallas? Anyone want to tell me what was illegal in Dallas? The gun or the perp?
Finding a handful of examples doesn't disprove that many acts are from illegally obtained guns or people who legally aren't allowed to be in possession of a gun. But my other point was mental illness as well. Many, even most of your list would be considered mentally ill on your list, even if they weren't diagnosed before the fact. i don't know if I haven't been clear or what. I'm not against gun control at all. But gun control should focus on the problem. Prevent people from getting guns who shouldn't have them. Be more strict against those who break gun laws (possession of stolen gun, illegal possession of guns, etc).
Pretty big assumption to make that "they would be considered mentally ill" even if they hadn't been diagnosed previously. Professionally as a basis of fact or in your personal opinion as a matter of your opinion? Would you be in favor of mandatory federal licensing for firearm possession?
I agree it's totally stupid to say that guns bought for protection should be locked up. If they're locked up with the ammo kept separate then they aren't really for home defense anymore, so what's the point? Gun advocates know that. They just spew that shit as a defense mechanism.
I advocate locking the gun and ammo/magazine in a quick access biometric or coded pistol safe. Those can be accessed in less than 5 seconds if needed. Most gun owners I know do this, if for nothing else, to keep them from being stolen. You are not going to get rid of guns, so educating more on the appropriate storage/usage and possible consequences for being irresponsible is imperative.
Maybe we need some new laws??? Quite a departure from the classic "we just need to enforce the laws we have".
And who is going to make and how will they enforce these "new laws"? What new laws would you create that would curb gun violence in cities like Chicago?
I wasn't commenting on gang violence in Chicago, I was commenting on the topic of secure and safe storage. I think the Congressional houses should come together for some laws that would criminalize unsafe storage and set punishments for firearms finding their way into children's hands and firearms being stolen.
How could you possibly enforce something like that?
The same way you enforce things like illicit drug use, just by catching those you can when you can.
I'm not suggesting that gun owners be raided for inspection, and I'm not suggesting that laws like that will magically stop kids from shooting themselves and their friends.
I'm just stating what's painfully obvious, unsafe use of firearms should be codified in law as illegal and punishment should be served when people are caught in misuse.
As a society, we cant monitor every driver, and we cant expect traffic laws to magically stop dangerous driving practices, but that doesn't mean that traffic laws shouldn't exist. Common sense.
Until the NRA gets involved and the "muh rights" crowd pipes up.
Was it the gun or the perp that was illegal in the Aurora movie theater massacre? Was it the gun or the perps that were illegal at Columbine? Santa Barbara? Sandy Hook? How about the guy in the Florida movie theater who shot the guy for yaking on his cell phone during the previews? Was it him or his gun that was illegal? Can you guess what they all had in common? This one doesn't quite fit but was it the perp or his guns at Virginia Tech that was illegal? How about the church in Charleston, SC? Was it the perp or his guns that was illegal? He fits though, don't he? Dallas? Anyone want to tell me what was illegal in Dallas? The gun or the perp?
Finding a handful of examples doesn't disprove that many acts are from illegally obtained guns or people who legally aren't allowed to be in possession of a gun. But my other point was mental illness as well. Many, even most of your list would be considered mentally ill on your list, even if they weren't diagnosed before the fact. i don't know if I haven't been clear or what. I'm not against gun control at all. But gun control should focus on the problem. Prevent people from getting guns who shouldn't have them. Be more strict against those who break gun laws (possession of stolen gun, illegal possession of guns, etc).
Actually, most of those examples given didn't have any, or not significant enough mental illness that it would be considered a major factor in the offences. What they had was anger, resentment, and a fascination with guns and gun violence. Society's and media's tendency to say that any incidence of violence must be due to mental illness muddies the waters here. The vast majority of violence is not due to mental illness, though a big chunk is related to substance abuse.
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I agree it's totally stupid to say that guns bought for protection should be locked up. If they're locked up with the ammo kept separate then they aren't really for home defense anymore, so what's the point? Gun advocates know that. They just spew that shit as a defense mechanism.
I advocate locking the gun and ammo/magazine in a quick access biometric or coded pistol safe. Those can be accessed in less than 5 seconds if needed. Most gun owners I know do this, if for nothing else, to keep them from being stolen. You are not going to get rid of guns, so educating more on the appropriate storage/usage and possible consequences for being irresponsible is imperative.
Maybe we need some new laws??? Quite a departure from the classic "we just need to enforce the laws we have".
And who is going to make and how will they enforce these "new laws"? What new laws would you create that would curb gun violence in cities like Chicago?
I wasn't commenting on gang violence in Chicago, I was commenting on the topic of secure and safe storage. I think the Congressional houses should come together for some laws that would criminalize unsafe storage and set punishments for firearms finding their way into children's hands and firearms being stolen.
How could you possibly enforce something like that?
The same way you enforce things like illicit drug use, just by catching those you can when you can.
I'm not suggesting that gun owners be raided for inspection, and I'm not suggesting that laws like that will magically stop kids from shooting themselves and their friends.
I'm just stating what's painfully obvious, unsafe use of firearms should be codified in law as illegal and punishment should be served when people are caught in misuse.
As a society, we cant monitor every driver, and we cant expect traffic laws to magically stop dangerous driving practices, but that doesn't mean that traffic laws shouldn't exist. Common sense.
Until the NRA gets involved and the "muh rights" crowd pipes up.
Or that irresponsible drivers don't do serious jail time for egregious offenses, like doing 60 in a 30 and killing a pedestrian crossing the street.
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
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Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Except rarely does the gun owner do time in the latter instance as its 'a tragedy' and they "suffered enough." Fuck that. Spend 5-10 in prison for your irresponsibility. Also, should be sued and their insurance company should pay out to the victims.
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Except rarely does the gun owner do time in the latter instance as its 'a tragedy' and they "suffered enough." Fuck that. Spend 5-10 in prison for your irresponsibility. Also, should be sued and their insurance company should pay out to the victims.
And rarely does a driver do time if they kill someone while doing something illegal. Only when it's a dui or clear proof of texting. Maybe drag racing. Otherwise they just need to say " I didn't see him" and they're clear.
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Except rarely does the gun owner do time in the latter instance as its 'a tragedy' and they "suffered enough." Fuck that. Spend 5-10 in prison for your irresponsibility. Also, should be sued and their insurance company should pay out to the victims.
And rarely does a driver do time if they kill someone while doing something illegal. Only when it's a dui or clear proof of texting. Maybe drag racing. Otherwise they just need to say " I didn't see him" and they're clear.
Driving the speed limit and hitting someone is different than purposefully driving well above the speed limit and hitting someone. Same with guns. My kid broke into my gun safe or discovered the combo versus well, "the gun was sitting on the table."
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Yes, of course, to both rgambs and Halifaxxxx. We don't have direct enforcement of most of our laws; instead, we have an investigation when something goes wrong to see if a crime was committed. We dont have police sitting in the passenger seat of every vehicle, but when there's a crash there's an investigation to see if the driver was speeding, or texting, or intoxicated, or anything else that might be against the law. Similarly, if there's an incident that suggests a gun wasn't safely stored (such as when a child shoots themself or someone else), then it's investigated and a charge may ensue. Not so difficult to conceptualize.
Except rarely does the gun owner do time in the latter instance as its 'a tragedy' and they "suffered enough." Fuck that. Spend 5-10 in prison for your irresponsibility. Also, should be sued and their insurance company should pay out to the victims.
And rarely does a driver do time if they kill someone while doing something illegal. Only when it's a dui or clear proof of texting. Maybe drag racing. Otherwise they just need to say " I didn't see him" and they're clear.
Driving the speed limit and hitting someone is different than purposefully driving well above the speed limit and hitting someone. Same with guns. My kid broke into my gun safe or discovered the combo versus well, "the gun was sitting on the table."
Speeding is rarely factored in unless the driver is way over the speed limit. If you kill someone by blowing a red light, stop, Or not yielding the right if way, you will only get a ticket in nearly every case.
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No, no, no. One requires that you have a license to operate it, renew it, etc. and it can be taken away if you are unfit . Hmm, I wonder which one?
One also can only be used in very specific areas, with a long list of rules to follow and the police can and will monitor your use of it. You also have to register every one you own and pay insurance on it.
No, no, no. One requires that you have a license to operate it, renew it, etc. and it can be taken away if you are unfit . Hmm, I wonder which one?
One also can only be used in very specific areas, with a long list of rules to follow and the police can and will monitor your use of it. You also have to register every one you own and pay insurance on it.
One is a constitutionally protected right, the other is a privilege.
Ah yes, the ridiculous 2nd amendment. Too bad the founding fathers didn't have a crystal ball when they wrote that one. I really wish someone would address the fact that it desperately needs to be updated.
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One is a constitutionally protected right, the other is a privilege.
Ah yes, the ridiculous 2nd amendment. Too bad the founding fathers didn't have a crystal ball when they wrote that one. I really wish someone would address the fact that it desperately needs to be updated.
What needs to be updated is societies definition of what constitutes a right. The Constitution also grants the right to own people. Frankly, I don't give a shit what those dodgy old fucks wrote about rights. Real human rights can't be granted by governments or taken away either. There is no such thing. If such a thing as rights existed they couldn't be denied or taken away. What the fuck good is a right that can be taken away? It's an asinine concept. We don't even have a right to air in our lungs, get over it. We certainly don't have a right to own guns without registration or tracking, that's just ludicrous.
One is a constitutionally protected right, the other is a privilege.
Ah yes, the ridiculous 2nd amendment. Too bad the founding fathers didn't have a crystal ball when they wrote that one. I really wish someone would address the fact that it desperately needs to be updated.
What needs to be updated is societies definition of what constitutes a right. The Constitution also grants the right to own people. Frankly, I don't give a shit what those dodgy old fucks wrote about rights. Real human rights can't be granted by governments or taken away either. There is no such thing. If such a thing as rights existed they couldn't be denied or taken away. What the fuck good is a right that can be taken away? It's an asinine concept. We don't even have a right to air in our lungs, get over it. We certainly don't have a right to own guns without registration or tracking, that's just ludicrous.
I don't really think the definition of what constitutes a right is the problem. The problem is way too many people apparently not being able to grasp the concept or how to intertwine that with law ... but the Constitution does still need to be updated to suit modern times.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
One is a constitutionally protected right, the other is a privilege.
Ah yes, the ridiculous 2nd amendment. Too bad the founding fathers didn't have a crystal ball when they wrote that one. I really wish someone would address the fact that it desperately needs to be updated.
What needs to be updated is societies definition of what constitutes a right. The Constitution also grants the right to own people. Frankly, I don't give a shit what those dodgy old fucks wrote about rights. Real human rights can't be granted by governments or taken away either. There is no such thing. If such a thing as rights existed they couldn't be denied or taken away. What the fuck good is a right that can be taken away? It's an asinine concept. We don't even have a right to air in our lungs, get over it. We certainly don't have a right to own guns without registration or tracking, that's just ludicrous.
Where in the constitution does it say you can own people?
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I would add that there is another major problem that you would need to consider in your "95%" or "vast majority" of the problem if you want that number/statement to be true, and that's the gun show loophole and the black market. You mention how most violent crime is from guns obtained illegally. How is it that these guns are being obtained? I'm not an expert on this issue but I know I've read a lot of stuff in the past about how deals are done at gun shows in very shady manners, and that certain specific manufactures (I seem to remember S&W being the main one) have been cited in letting this type of activity go on without doing anything to stop it. If you add this to your list of things that need to be addressed then I think that 95% number would be pretty accurate.
And I'm not saying that these murderous criminals got these guns from gun shows, I'd say it's more likely that they got it from a guy, who got it from a guy, who got it from a guy that got it at a gun show. Obviously that's impossible to prove but I think if we all apply some basic logic it's easy to see that shady gun show deals that are mostly ignored by the law are the root of most of the black market/illegal gun ownership problems.
Quite a departure from the classic "we just need to enforce the laws we have".
Only the people who are very serious about their guns fall in line with, not surprisingly, the very serious gun owners here.
I agree
I think the Congressional houses should come together for some laws that would criminalize unsafe storage and set punishments for firearms finding their way into children's hands and firearms being stolen.
But my other point was mental illness as well. Many, even most of your list would be considered mentally ill on your list, even if they weren't diagnosed before the fact.
i don't know if I haven't been clear or what. I'm not against gun control at all. But gun control should focus on the problem. Prevent people from getting guns who shouldn't have them. Be more strict against those who break gun laws (possession of stolen gun, illegal possession of guns, etc).
So it makes sense to me that gun laws should reflect those stats.
I think gun restrictions that target those aspects are good ones, and blanket restrictions that would essentially only affect legal and lawful gun owners not not effective at all.
Would you be in favor of mandatory federal licensing for firearm possession?
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I'm not suggesting that gun owners be raided for inspection, and I'm not suggesting that laws like that will magically stop kids from shooting themselves and their friends.
I'm just stating what's painfully obvious, unsafe use of firearms should be codified in law as illegal and punishment should be served when people are caught in misuse.
As a society, we cant monitor every driver, and we cant expect traffic laws to magically stop dangerous driving practices, but that doesn't mean that traffic laws shouldn't exist.
Common sense.
Until the NRA gets involved and the "muh rights" crowd pipes up.
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The Constitution also grants the right to own people.
Frankly, I don't give a shit what those dodgy old fucks wrote about rights.
Real human rights can't be granted by governments or taken away either.
There is no such thing.
If such a thing as rights existed they couldn't be denied or taken away. What the fuck good is a right that can be taken away? It's an asinine concept.
We don't even have a right to air in our lungs, get over it.
We certainly don't have a right to own guns without registration or tracking, that's just ludicrous.