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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303

    Mitt Romney

    I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

    The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

    In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

    The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

    This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    This space affords you quite a bit of of freedom.  Don't mistake that for anonymity.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    There's right and there's wrong.

    By Any Means Necessary 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Charlottesville is YOUR fuckin' city.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,106
    Tiki said:
    Charlottesville is YOUR fuckin' city.
    You know there isn't a character limit on the forum, you can post all your words in 1 post. ;)
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,916
    dignin said:

    Best comment I've seen on Twitter that I wish I could take credit for:

    "The only unrealistic part is that he has a rudder."
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Tiki said:
    Charlottesville is YOUR fuckin' city.
    You know there isn't a character limit on the forum, you can post all your words in 1 post. ;)
    It's hard to be focused and scattered at the same time.  I try my best.
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    Speaking of any means necessary.  Latest tweet folks...

    The Obstructionist Democrats make Security for our country very difficult. They use the courts and associated delay at all times. Must stop! Homeland Security and law enforcement are on alert & closely watching for any sign of trouble. Our borders are far tougher than ever before! Radical Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by whatever means necessary! The courts must give us back our protective rights. Have to be tough! Heading to Camp David for major meeting on National Security, the Border and the Military (which we are rapidly building to strongest ever).

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    Fuck twitter. And fuck his shitty presidency.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,600
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Soft on terrorism.  DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

    Those fuckers might as well been carrying ISIS flags. 

    Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism.   A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to:  (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.  Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.
    Once again validating that KKK, Neo Nazis, along with Antifa fit the definition of domestic terrorists (and possibly even international if you really get into it).  They are all on the wrong side, as you said!  It's not Right vs Left, it's civil, law abiding people vs domestic terrorists.
    When my grandfather fought Nazi's (for YOU and yours I might add) he was called a hero.  Don't twist what I say.
    I was twisting nothing, my grandfather taught Nazi's as well.  Comparing Antifa idiots to our grandparents that taught and died in WW2 is idiotic.  Antifa are as fascist as they come and both of our grandparents would most likely speak ill of them.  Am I glad to see a Nazi punched in the face?  Most definitely.  Am I upset when I see fascists like Antifa members punched in the face?  Nope...  They are both on the wrong "side", the side that encourages violence against people that do not perfectly align with their views.  The side that fits the definition of "terrorism" that you posted earlier. Neither groups actions should be tolerated.  I am anti-fascist, but I am not "Antifa".  They have become what they hate.
    There is no "aligning" with Nazi viewpoints.
    So anyone that does not perfectly "align" with Antifa communists is a Nazi?  What a joke.
    The joke is that your reading comprehension is below a certain grade level, much like our president. Did I mention "antifa" or "perfectly align" in my response? No, here is what I said, "there is no aligning with Nazi viewpoints." What part of aligning, Nazi or viewpoints don't you understand?
     
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    JC29856 said:

    I'd say a pretty savvy political tactic for vote getting.
    lump and line blur.
    If you don't vote Democrat you must be a Nazi or Nazi defender.

    It's political evolution babay
    Nazi↔White Supremacist↔Alt-right↔Right Wing↔Republican

    If you align yourself with the occupant of the white house, you're aligning yourself with racist, hateful, and quite ignorant nonsense.
    Stop defending him.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Tiki said:
    Charlottesville is YOUR fuckin' city.

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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    Tiki said:
    Thanks for straightening me out by calling my comments about my grandfather idiotic.

    Think about what you say BEFORE you say it.
    Call it as I see it.  Comparing far left ideology terrorist "Antifa" black bloc members that use fascist tactics to our grandparents that fought and died to prevent a fascist dictator from exterminating millions of Jews and spreading a Nazi-socialist ideology worldwide is a stretch in most sane minds.
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    VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 1,924
    Tiki said:
    Charlottesville is YOUR fuckin' city.
    This is literally true for me.  I've lived here in two different stints for about fifteen years.  It's strange as fuck here right now.  I walk home past a spot where a woman lost her life to terrorism.  It's unreal.

    For what it's worth: I had never heard of Antifa before the Unite the White rally.  I still don't know much about them.  But one of my coworkers' wife volunteered at a church the Saturday of the rally.  The clergy were being beat with batons, until Antifa fought the people back.  I can't speak to the overall nobility of the group, and I'm not a religious person, but for that instant I'm grateful for Antifa.  And fuck the Nazis, KKK members, and all the people that marched alongside them. 
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Soft on terrorism.  DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

    Those fuckers might as well been carrying ISIS flags. 

    Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism.   A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to:  (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.  Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.
    Once again validating that KKK, Neo Nazis, along with Antifa fit the definition of domestic terrorists (and possibly even international if you really get into it).  They are all on the wrong side, as you said!  It's not Right vs Left, it's civil, law abiding people vs domestic terrorists.
    When my grandfather fought Nazi's (for YOU and yours I might add) he was called a hero.  Don't twist what I say.
    I was twisting nothing, my grandfather taught Nazi's as well.  Comparing Antifa idiots to our grandparents that taught and died in WW2 is idiotic.  Antifa are as fascist as they come and both of our grandparents would most likely speak ill of them.  Am I glad to see a Nazi punched in the face?  Most definitely.  Am I upset when I see fascists like Antifa members punched in the face?  Nope...  They are both on the wrong "side", the side that encourages violence against people that do not perfectly align with their views.  The side that fits the definition of "terrorism" that you posted earlier. Neither groups actions should be tolerated.  I am anti-fascist, but I am not "Antifa".  They have become what they hate.
    There is no "aligning" with Nazi viewpoints.
    So anyone that does not perfectly "align" with Antifa communists is a Nazi?  What a joke.
    The joke is that your reading comprehension is below a certain grade level, much like our president. Did I mention "antifa" or "perfectly align" in my response? No, here is what I said, "there is no aligning with Nazi viewpoints." What part of aligning, Nazi or viewpoints don't you understand?
     
    Where did I mention anywhere in the comment that you quoted "aligning with Nazi viewpoints"...speaking of elementary reading comprehension.  Who are you suggesting aligns with Nazi viewpoints that stemmed from anything I was talking about...troll.
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    Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,058
    dignin said:

    Mitt Romney

    I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

    The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

    In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

    The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

    This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

    :clap:

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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,106
    dignin said:

    Mitt Romney

    I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

    The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

    In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

    The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

    This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

    :clap:

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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:

    Mitt Romney

    I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

    The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

    In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

    The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

    This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

    :clap:

    Mitt is the business man that shoulda been elected. ;)
    Haha, he obviously would have been a much better president than Trumpito.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    Mitt Romney

    I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

    The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

    In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

    The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

    This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

    :clap:

    Mitt is the business man that shoulda been elected. ;)
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,542
    Tiki said:
    JC29856 said:

    I'd say a pretty savvy political tactic for vote getting.
    lump and line blur.
    If you don't vote Democrat you must be a Nazi or Nazi defender.

    It's political evolution babay
    Nazi↔White Supremacist↔Alt-right↔Right Wing↔Republican

    If you align yourself with the occupant of the white house, you're aligning yourself with racist, hateful, and quite ignorant nonsense.
    Stop defending him.
    When you support evil you are evil
    When you support fear, hate, and ignorance you yourself are fearful, hateful, and ignorant
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,542

    Mother of Charlottesville victim says she won't speak with Trump
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Thanks for straightening me out by calling my comments about my grandfather idiotic.

    Think about what you say BEFORE you say it.
    Call it as I see it.  Comparing far left ideology terrorist "Antifa" black bloc members that use fascist tactics to our grandparents that fought and died to prevent a fascist dictator from exterminating millions of Jews and spreading a Nazi-socialist ideology worldwide is a stretch in most sane minds.
    WHATEVER bro.  When those torch carrying fucks surrounded that statue on Friday night and then attacked the protesters, screaming white lives matter white lives matter white lives matter and then they got all offended when the "faggot commies" hit them with the mace, did you think, wow I would have never responded to being intimidated by a gang of Nazis like that?  





    You're not providing a REASON why people shouldn't defend themselves against oppression and bald faced aggression.  
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,916
    These idiots are planning to march on Boston Common this Saturday. At best it is going to be an embarrassing day in the city. At worst it is going to be much worse.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Those people (the Nazi-alt-right-white nationalists) NEED an ass kicking.  Check the scoreboard.

    Spare me the false equivalency please.   

    Thanks.
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    JimmyV said:
    These idiots are planning to march on Boston Common this Saturday. At best it is going to be an embarrassing day in the city. At worst it is going to be much worse.

    President Trump will be blamed either way too.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,832
    JimmyV said:
    These idiots are planning to march on Boston Common this Saturday. At best it is going to be an embarrassing day in the city. At worst it is going to be much worse.

    President Trump will be blamed either way too.
    he is partially responsible for this. you cannot deny that. 
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2017
    Tiki said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Thanks for straightening me out by calling my comments about my grandfather idiotic.

    Think about what you say BEFORE you say it.
    Call it as I see it.  Comparing far left ideology terrorist "Antifa" black bloc members that use fascist tactics to our grandparents that fought and died to prevent a fascist dictator from exterminating millions of Jews and spreading a Nazi-socialist ideology worldwide is a stretch in most sane minds.
    WHATEVER bro.  When those torch carrying fucks surrounded that statue on Friday night and then attacked the protesters, screaming white lives matter white lives matter white lives matter and then they got all offended when the "faggot commies" hit them with the mace, did you think, wow I would have never responded to being intimidated by a gang of Nazis like that?  





    You're not providing a REASON why people shouldn't defend themselves against oppression and bald faced aggression.  
    I'm all about people defending themselves, but with this one example comes a ton of other examples of Antifa punching, beating, pepper spraying peaceful protestors elsewhere that have nothing to do with Nazis or fascism... It's pretty easy to take a high road when dealing with Nazi assholes, but one case of being on the "higher than Nazi" road does not place Antifa assholes on high ground or forgive them of all of their terrorist/fascist acts elsewhere.  
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    JimmyV said:
    These idiots are planning to march on Boston Common this Saturday. At best it is going to be an embarrassing day in the city. At worst it is going to be much worse.

    President Trump will be blamed either way too.
    he is partially responsible for this. you cannot deny that. 

    I never said I did.  
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Tiki said:
    JC29856 said:

    I'd say a pretty savvy political tactic for vote getting.
    lump and line blur.
    If you don't vote Democrat you must be a Nazi or Nazi defender.

    It's political evolution babay
    Nazi↔White Supremacist↔Alt-right↔Right Wing↔Republican

    If you align yourself with the occupant of the white house, you're aligning yourself with racist, hateful, and quite ignorant nonsense.
    Stop defending him.
    When you support evil you are evil
    When you support fear, hate, and ignorance you yourself are fearful, hateful, and ignorant
    I've read this point of view a few times on here and all I can picture is a leather belt Anti-fa and a suspenders Neo-Nazi arguing back and forth, you support trousers, so you are trousers, no no I'm not trousers, YOU are trousers, YOU support trousers, you support trousers therefore you are trousers.......on and on

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