^^^ It's true. All these nothingburgers are amounting to zip, zero, zilch nada. Who's hungry?
Why do you think investigations start and end in 90 days?
Do you realize that the watergate break-in investigation started in June of 72 and Nixon didn't resign until August of 74. Now I know those numbers go right over your head, but to say that because Muller has been on it for 90 days and he hasn't filed charges that it's a "nothingburger" is beyond absurd.
^^^ I am not saying that it should happen overnight but you have to conclude that as fast as these "breaking news impeachment worthy nothing burgers" come up they disappear to the next one almost daily. It's time for action. Less talk more walk.
Most people realize that that's an impossible request. Most people are educated enough to realize that investigations take time. Those that can't accept that very basic fact are naive and uninformed.
So, no. I don't have a rough date. But I can give you a rough date of your next ridiculous post: July 20, 2017.
Looks like Mueller isn't concerned with Trump's threats, and is taking a "wide-angle" approach to Trump's business dealings. Russia connections, shady business transactions, Deutsche Bank, here we go!
"The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trumpcampaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.
FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said."
Would anyone like to follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment? It's seems Mueller would like to. So much for those brilliantly disappearing headlines.
Why would Trump say that his businesses are off limits? Does he dictate the scope and breadth of independent investigations? Cornered rat indeed.
We'll soon see...but I think tRump may have made that statement so that his base will remain with him when he fires Mueller.
I think tRump is right that his base will stick with him. But I think he will lose major GOP support. I can't believe he has any now....but it would be very bad for him to fire Mueller.
Trump's base of 35% won't win elections. What will be most telling is how many republican house candidates that run in non-gerrymandered republican districts and republican senate candidates have Trump stump for them.
Don't be sure. His 35% are voters who will walk through hell to vote for the guy. They're where the passion lies at the moment. It's personal to them. Pick off some independent percentage points with something like infrastructure and there's an easy path to victory. The guy isn't savvy in politics, but he's developed a mindset in his base that would have them die before not voting for him again. Those are the types of voters you want in your corner.
You can't win with 35%
You can when only 60% of eligible voters go and vote.
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Looks like Mueller isn't concerned with Trump's threats, and is taking a "wide-angle" approach to Trump's business dealings. Russia connections, shady business transactions, Deutsche Bank, here we go!
"The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trumpcampaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.
FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said."
Would anyone like to follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment? It's seems Mueller would like to. So much for those brilliantly disappearing headlines.
Why would Trump say that his businesses are off limits? Does he dictate the scope and breadth of independent investigations? Cornered rat indeed.
We'll soon see...but I think tRump may have made that statement so that his base will remain with him when he fires Mueller.
I think tRump is right that his base will stick with him. But I think he will lose major GOP support. I can't believe he has any now....but it would be very bad for him to fire Mueller.
Trump's base of 35% won't win elections. What will be most telling is how many republican house candidates that run in non-gerrymandered republican districts and republican senate candidates have Trump stump for them.
Don't be sure. His 35% are voters who will walk through hell to vote for the guy. They're where the passion lies at the moment. It's personal to them. Pick off some independent percentage points with something like infrastructure and there's an easy path to victory. The guy isn't savvy in politics, but he's developed a mindset in his base that would have them die before not voting for him again. Those are the types of voters you want in your corner.
You can't win with 35%
You can when only 60% of eligible voters go and vote.
Exactly. And you pick off just a few points from independents. What I posted on the last page is completely realistic. If he survives to 2020 and feels the desire to run again, IF NOTHING CHANGES with his current numbers, he has a path to re-election. Do I think it will happen? No. his numbers could still drop several points. That means he has to move to the middle for a few more points. Infrastructure would do that. Or a war. I'm just pointing out that this won't be a slam dunk. Democrats need to find an amazing candidate out there.
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Stop commenting on other members or risk timeout. Discuss the subject, NOT EACH OTHER. Maybe this obnoxious caps and bolding will help with clarity on this issue...tired of saying it. Next, heads will have to roll by your choice. Thanks.
Looks like Mueller isn't concerned with Trump's threats, and is taking a "wide-angle" approach to Trump's business dealings. Russia connections, shady business transactions, Deutsche Bank, here we go!
"The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trumpcampaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.
FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said."
Would anyone like to follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment? It's seems Mueller would like to. So much for those brilliantly disappearing headlines.
Why would Trump say that his businesses are off limits? Does he dictate the scope and breadth of independent investigations? Cornered rat indeed.
We'll soon see...but I think tRump may have made that statement so that his base will remain with him when he fires Mueller.
I think tRump is right that his base will stick with him. But I think he will lose major GOP support. I can't believe he has any now....but it would be very bad for him to fire Mueller.
Trump's base of 35% won't win elections. What will be most telling is how many republican house candidates that run in non-gerrymandered republican districts and republican senate candidates have Trump stump for them.
Don't be sure. His 35% are voters who will walk through hell to vote for the guy. They're where the passion lies at the moment. It's personal to them. Pick off some independent percentage points with something like infrastructure and there's an easy path to victory. The guy isn't savvy in politics, but he's developed a mindset in his base that would have them die before not voting for him again. Those are the types of voters you want in your corner.
You can't win with 35%
You can when only 60% of eligible voters go and vote.
Exactly. And you pick off just a few points from independents. What I posted on the last page is completely realistic. If he survives to 2020 and feels the desire to run again, IF NOTHING CHANGES with his current numbers, he has a path to re-election. Do I think it will happen? No. his numbers could still drop several points. That means he has to move to the middle for a few more points. Infrastructure would do that. Or a war. I'm just pointing out that this won't be a slam dunk. Democrats need to find an amazing candidate out there.
Exactly. A lot of dems don't realize this and focus on the nothingburgers instead. When President Trump is re-elected they are going to lose their minds asking themselves over and over again "How did this happen"?
Looks like Mueller isn't concerned with Trump's threats, and is taking a "wide-angle" approach to Trump's business dealings. Russia connections, shady business transactions, Deutsche Bank, here we go!
"The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trumpcampaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.
FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said."
Would anyone like to follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment? It's seems Mueller would like to. So much for those brilliantly disappearing headlines.
Why would Trump say that his businesses are off limits? Does he dictate the scope and breadth of independent investigations? Cornered rat indeed.
We'll soon see...but I think tRump may have made that statement so that his base will remain with him when he fires Mueller.
I think tRump is right that his base will stick with him. But I think he will lose major GOP support. I can't believe he has any now....but it would be very bad for him to fire Mueller.
Trump's base of 35% won't win elections. What will be most telling is how many republican house candidates that run in non-gerrymandered republican districts and republican senate candidates have Trump stump for them.
Don't be sure. His 35% are voters who will walk through hell to vote for the guy. They're where the passion lies at the moment. It's personal to them. Pick off some independent percentage points with something like infrastructure and there's an easy path to victory. The guy isn't savvy in politics, but he's developed a mindset in his base that would have them die before not voting for him again. Those are the types of voters you want in your corner.
Looks like Mueller isn't concerned with Trump's threats, and is taking a "wide-angle" approach to Trump's business dealings. Russia connections, shady business transactions, Deutsche Bank, here we go!
"The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trumpcampaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.
FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said."
Would anyone like to follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment? It's seems Mueller would like to. So much for those brilliantly disappearing headlines.
Why would Trump say that his businesses are off limits? Does he dictate the scope and breadth of independent investigations? Cornered rat indeed.
We'll soon see...but I think tRump may have made that statement so that his base will remain with him when he fires Mueller.
I think tRump is right that his base will stick with him. But I think he will lose major GOP support. I can't believe he has any now....but it would be very bad for him to fire Mueller.
Trump's base of 35% won't win elections. What will be most telling is how many republican house candidates that run in non-gerrymandered republican districts and republican senate candidates have Trump stump for them.
Don't be sure. His 35% are voters who will walk through hell to vote for the guy. They're where the passion lies at the moment. It's personal to them. Pick off some independent percentage points with something like infrastructure and there's an easy path to victory. The guy isn't savvy in politics, but he's developed a mindset in his base that would have them die before not voting for him again. Those are the types of voters you want in your corner.
You can't win with 35%
You can when only 60% of eligible voters go and vote.
Exactly. And you pick off just a few points from independents. What I posted on the last page is completely realistic. If he survives to 2020 and feels the desire to run again, IF NOTHING CHANGES with his current numbers, he has a path to re-election. Do I think it will happen? No. his numbers could still drop several points. That means he has to move to the middle for a few more points. Infrastructure would do that. Or a war. I'm just pointing out that this won't be a slam dunk. Democrats need to find an amazing candidate out there.
Exactly. A lot of dems don't realize this and focus on the nothingburgers instead. When President Trump is re-elected they are going to lose their minds asking themselves over and over again "How did this happen"?
It's really funny (well, not funny; depressing) but you can really see this coming. Of course, 2020 is a long way away, but the American left is so certain he's going to lose because he's a buffoon. It's the same way the left felt last fall. They can't just throw out Tim Kaine and expect Trump to beat himself. So who is that candidate? That's the scarry thing; so far, there's nobody.
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Looks like Mueller isn't concerned with Trump's threats, and is taking a "wide-angle" approach to Trump's business dealings. Russia connections, shady business transactions, Deutsche Bank, here we go!
"The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trumpcampaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.
FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said."
It begs the question: Why weren't ties that posed conflicts of interest like that thoroughly examined before Trump was nominated, so make sure that what is happening now wouldn't be necessary?
GOP doesn't care as long as it's their guy in charge forget the constitution, Ryan is spineless !
that new york times interview is Ibizarre. You cant even find somewhere to begin with that.
This guy was elected President. Holy shit.
The panic mode theory kind of makes sense.
It's crazy. We've had presidents I've agreed with and those I have not. We've never had one where it was obvious he had no idea what he was talking about on most any subject.
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that new york times interview is Ibizarre. You cant even find somewhere to begin with that.
This guy was elected President. Holy shit.
The panic mode theory kind of makes sense.
It's crazy. We've had presidents I've agreed with and those I have not. We've never had one where it was obvious he had no idea what he was talking about on most any subject.
I agree. That interview was bizarre. He's completely clueless.
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The spokesman for Trump's legal team has resigned. I wouldn't want that job either.
^^^ Putin won what? Do you hear yourself as an American saying this in cyberspace? Seriously, enough with the Russia caused President Trump stuff. Prove it or move it.
^^^ Putin won what? Do you hear yourself as an American saying this in cyberspace? Seriously, enough with the Russia caused President Trump stuff. Prove it or move it.
Russia quite clearly meddled in the election, and tried to meddle even more than it did. This much isn't even up for debate.
Based on this administration's complete non-reaction -- at times even flat denying what happened happened -- Russia has no incentive not to interfere in the 2018 mid-terms, the 2020 presidential election or any election beyond that.
I have no confidence in those elections as things currently stand, nor should any American. That was Putin's goal, and mission accomplished.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
^^^ Putin won what? Do you hear yourself as an American saying this in cyberspace? Seriously, enough with the Russia caused President Trump stuff. Prove it or move it.
Literally no one is saying "Russia caused Trump". Russia helped Trump, but they didn't win it for him. George Brett hit a home run to win a game. Turns out he had too much pine tar on the bat and he was called out and ejected. The tar didn't make the ball go any further, but it is still against the rules. And now Trump is storming out of the dugout looking like a moron because he clearly had too much tar, and his own self stupidity caused it and took the home run away. There. I summed it up.
^^^ I am not saying that it should happen overnight but you have to conclude that as fast as these "breaking news impeachment worthy nothing burgers" come up they disappear to the next one almost daily. It's time for action. Less talk more walk.
I love how the never ending impeachment story is just as much of a nightmare for irrational people like this kid as the trump presidency is for the rest of civilization. Kind of evens itself out. Almost makes me wish it will last longer than it probably will.
^^^ Putin won what? Do you hear yourself as an American saying this in cyberspace? Seriously, enough with the Russia caused President Trump stuff. Prove it or move it.
We don't have to prove it, the many investigations into the matter will either prove it or move it. And worst yet you are ignoring the single worst thing Trump has done as president. Even if there is no collusion....he is allowing his fear of collusion to result in ZERO action against a foreign nation that all intelligence communities agree specifically targeted our election process. His inaction speaks volumes. And shows he puts himself over country. I want him gone for failing to protect the US from foreign enemies. It's nonsense.
So now tRump's attorneys are starting to jump ship due to tRump directly them to start going after Mueller. Conway was on TV this morning saying the investigation has stalled and that is what led Mueller to go into tRump's businesses.
It's really fucking amazing what is happening.
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has a full list of Mueller investigators been released? some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons". If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims. can't get any uglier... a nation divided.
^^^ I am not saying that it should happen overnight but you have to conclude that as fast as these "breaking news impeachment worthy nothing burgers" come up they disappear to the next one almost daily. It's time for action. Less talk more walk.
I'm confused about how you cannot see the smoke literally everywhere around this.
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Do you realize that the watergate break-in investigation started in June of 72 and Nixon didn't resign until August of 74. Now I know those numbers go right over your head, but to say that because Muller has been on it for 90 days and he hasn't filed charges that it's a "nothingburger" is beyond absurd.
I am not saying that it should happen overnight but you have to conclude that as fast as these "breaking news impeachment worthy nothing burgers" come up they disappear to the next one almost daily. It's time for action. Less talk more walk.
So, no. I don't have a rough date. But I can give you a rough date of your next ridiculous post: July 20, 2017.
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President Trump won w/ less voters. So anything is possible.
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Do I think it will happen? No. his numbers could still drop several points. That means he has to move to the middle for a few more points. Infrastructure would do that. Or a war. I'm just pointing out that this won't be a slam dunk. Democrats need to find an amazing candidate out there.
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No matter what happens Putin totally fucking won and his plan worked perfectly. We have a clueless and corrupt clown as President
Fucking SAD!
Putin won what?
Do you hear yourself as an American saying this in cyberspace?
Seriously, enough with the Russia caused President Trump stuff. Prove it or move it.
While we wait, I meant to include this link in my previous post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumplegal-925pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.67fb77460e76
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Based on this administration's complete non-reaction -- at times even flat denying what happened happened -- Russia has no incentive not to interfere in the 2018 mid-terms, the 2020 presidential election or any election beyond that.
I have no confidence in those elections as things currently stand, nor should any American. That was Putin's goal, and mission accomplished.
for the least they could possibly do
George Brett hit a home run to win a game. Turns out he had too much pine tar on the bat and he was called out and ejected. The tar didn't make the ball go any further, but it is still against the rules. And now Trump is storming out of the dugout looking like a moron because he clearly had too much tar, and his own self stupidity caused it and took the home run away.
There. I summed it up.
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Yep Putin won Assad is here to stay !
It's really fucking amazing what is happening.
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some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons".
If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims.
can't get any uglier... a nation divided.
for the least they could possibly do