Would be a very weak point to end a career on if that was it. I'd personally prefer ore new material to touring. I'd rather hear some fresh creativity compared to seeing them jump out on tour again playing songs that have been played countless times.
And so you see, I have come to doubt All that I once held as true I stand alone without beliefs The only truth I know is you.
Would be a very weak point to end a career on if that was it. I'd personally prefer ore new material to touring. I'd rather hear some fresh creativity compared to seeing them jump out on tour again playing songs that have been played countless times.
Agree 100%.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Since releasing records and playing live shows can be mutually beneficial, it'd be great if they blessed us with a couple more. I'm not saying that I think they'd tour less if they released less, just that releasing new records seems to be a good way to diversify the live experience. And new releases brings in new fans (hopefully) and brings in more concert sales. However, it would also be sweet if we got to see them in more intimate venues (though again, would they tour as much if they played smaller venues?). The more I listen to Avocado, the more I think that is their best album. It's just so . . . them? I dunno. It's so cohesive, so raw, and it drags you into another world like Vitalogy does. Darkness and hope, love and death. It's perfect. I think it just took my brain awhile to HEAR how good it is (OMG guys, just put Avocado on and focus on what Matt is doing. That dude is so damn good!). It's hard to explain lol. That being said, Backspacer and LB are great, but don't seem to have as much "soul" as Self Titled does. It would be totally rocking if we got one more record that echoed the "epicness" of self-titled and other records (No Code, Binaural), which create their own mental ocean of sound to swim around in.
Im all for a new album if we can get to a place where Ed isn't singing for nearly every second of every song. Lets have some longer solos, or intros, or outros. Or even more "noises" from Ed on songs instead of words.
To answer the thread, yes I would be satisfied. I love a few songs and like the rest. So if new material was worse, that would suck
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Personally no. It's an okay album but I agree with Ledvedderman, there last couple of records don't hang up like the greats, but that's okay, they've given more than I could ever have wished, more than any other of my favourite bands or musicians have ever put out, with 27 years and thereabouts a thousand shows, age is showing, maybe they've said all they can and it's totally acceptable that you cannot keep up with the previous material/status. But having said that I also do believe they are capable of pulling out another incredible album, they are still fairly young and have a healthy relationship between all of them, they give each other space and collect a lot of influence and musical direction through there other projects they have going. It's easier said than done but if anyone can PJ can. And going back Ledvedderman, I do think the self titled isn't in the same respect as Lightning Bolt and Backspacer. The album represents a lot learnt from the last releases and brought together versatility but freshness and throwback with a great mix of integrity, grit, rawness, power and emotion beautifully with a mix of electric and acoustic, it held up brilliantly for me. PJ are not an ep sort of band, so I think this direction could be an interesting idea given there current positions, families, where they reside, and solo material/side projects going on. Like others I'd love to see a Lost Dogs II or more vaults. But like a lot have said and we all know they're not nostalgia, playing back catalogues show after show isn't an issue, just as long as they have a purpose to tour and new material etc to go with it
My two cents worth: A new record would be welcome, would be great if they changed things up a bit, last two records were dreadful. New producer, rawer sound, maybe just live in the studio takes like Neil Young has done in the past. Get angry, get political, love it when they do that, but seriously no more ballads please, they're an utter snoozefest..
My two cents worth: A new record would be welcome, would be great if they changed things up a bit, last two records were dreadful. New producer, rawer sound, maybe just live in the studio takes like Neil Young has done in the past. Get angry, get political, love it when they do that, but seriously no more ballads please, they're an utter snoozefest..
Not a chance Lightning Bolt is their last album. One more, then I think they're done making albums. If the band stopped touring, it would suck, but I'd move on with my life.
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2019 - Alice in Chains Milwaukee, WI
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I'd be sad for a bit but would be ok with it all being done. They would leave behind the best body of work ever. Love music too much to be completely devastated
They seem to be too spread out now. Eddie is all over the place. Jeff lives in Montana. Matt is touring with Soundgarden.
The mix just doesn't seem to gel anymore. I'm guessing that getting together to do an album is a real chore where they try to get shit done ASAP so they can do their own thing.
no. I want more. But, i get it. I get how life expands and pushes some of even your favourite things into smaller boxes in deeper closets. But man, when you bring that box out, its a ripping good time.
I dont think this band will ever break up in the traditional sense. Theyll tour less, theyll make less music, but the magic will always be there when they do get together.
Id love an EP of punk covers or something, though.
They seem to be too spread out now. Eddie is all over the place. Jeff lives in Montana. Matt is touring with Soundgarden.
The mix just doesn't seem to gel anymore. I'm guessing that getting together to do an album is a real chore where they try to get shit done ASAP so they can do their own thing.
no. I want more. But, i get it. I get how life expands and pushes some of even your favourite things into smaller boxes in deeper closets. But man, when you bring that box out, its a ripping good time.
I dont think this band will ever break up in the traditional sense. Theyll tour less, theyll make less music, but the magic will always be there when they do get together.
Id love an EP of punk covers or something, though.
yep. I loved Lightning Bolt actually. They have the potential to still make incredible albums but if that's the last, I'm totally fine. If they stop touring that's completely different.
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My two cents worth: A new record would be welcome, would be great if they changed things up a bit, last two records were dreadful. New producer, rawer sound, maybe just live in the studio takes like Neil Young has done in the past. Get angry, get political, love it when they do that, but seriously no more ballads please, they're an utter snoozefest..
My two cents worth: A new record would be welcome, would be great if they changed things up a bit, last two records were dreadful. New producer, rawer sound, maybe just live in the studio takes like Neil Young has done in the past. Get angry, get political, love it when they do that, but seriously no more ballads please, they're an utter snoozefest..
Lol @ "dreadful." Really?
Yep, really..
Not even 1-5% hyperbole here?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
My two cents worth: A new record would be welcome, would be great if they changed things up a bit, last two records were dreadful. New producer, rawer sound, maybe just live in the studio takes like Neil Young has done in the past. Get angry, get political, love it when they do that, but seriously no more ballads please, they're an utter snoozefest..
Lol @ "dreadful." Really?
Yep, really..
So the last 2 albums have caused you great fear and suffering?
My two cents worth: A new record would be welcome, would be great if they changed things up a bit, last two records were dreadful. New producer, rawer sound, maybe just live in the studio takes like Neil Young has done in the past. Get angry, get political, love it when they do that, but seriously no more ballads please, they're an utter snoozefest..
Lol @ "dreadful." Really?
Yep, really..
So the last 2 albums have caused you great fear and suffering?
Yeah, I won't leave the house anymore out of fear and a deep depression has come over me from the sheer suffering of knowing these albums are in existence. Don't be a dick, it's just what people say in my part of the world when they aren't a fan of something. Personally I think a song like 'Sirens' is rock bottom for PJ, dreadful music..
My two cents worth: A new record would be welcome, would be great if they changed things up a bit, last two records were dreadful. New producer, rawer sound, maybe just live in the studio takes like Neil Young has done in the past. Get angry, get political, love it when they do that, but seriously no more ballads please, they're an utter snoozefest..
Lol @ "dreadful." Really?
Yep, really..
So the last 2 albums have caused you great fear and suffering?
Yeah, I won't leave the house anymore out of fear and a deep depression has come over me from the sheer suffering of knowing these albums are in existence. Don't be a dick, it's just what people say in my part of the world when they aren't a fan of something. Personally I think a song like 'Sirens' is rock bottom for PJ, dreadful music..
Dreadful and not a fan are miles apart. But we can certainly agree on one thing - Sirens is awful. It's the only PJ song in the entire catalog that I always skip, album or bootleg.
I don't think I'd be satisfied to an extent if they quit releasing new albums. The last three albums in particular show slight signs that greatness is still in them in regards to new music. Slight. As albums, the last three have been kind of weak. So it's frustrating as a fan to see the signs of light breakthrough only to give way to a meh album. I think the band has it in them to put out another 12 song album that is amazing beginning to end. As a recording artist, I know it's harder than it sounds. When I put out my first album I was in love with every second of every song. A couple of years later now and I think "what if I'd replaced this song with another" or "this is bad". Of the 12 songs on it, 7 or 8 are still strong to me. I was just trying to please myself with this record, not thousands of fans. So I totally feel for the band.
From your perspective, what songs were signs of greatness of the last three albums?
I'm satisfied with what they've given I like to see them tour but even that seems to be a chore for them it's not like they tour every yr , i never go back and listen to their catalog at all I'd rather catch a show !
I don't think I'd be satisfied to an extent if they quit releasing new albums. The last three albums in particular show slight signs that greatness is still in them in regards to new music. Slight. As albums, the last three have been kind of weak. So it's frustrating as a fan to see the signs of light breakthrough only to give way to a meh album. I think the band has it in them to put out another 12 song album that is amazing beginning to end. As a recording artist, I know it's harder than it sounds. When I put out my first album I was in love with every second of every song. A couple of years later now and I think "what if I'd replaced this song with another" or "this is bad". Of the 12 songs on it, 7 or 8 are still strong to me. I was just trying to please myself with this record, not thousands of fans. So I totally feel for the band.
From your perspective, what songs were signs of greatness of the last three albums?
Oh damn! Being put on the spot. Life Wasted, Marker in the Sand, Army Reserve, Got Some, Speed of Sound (lyrically), Force of Nature, Getaway, Infallible, and Pendulum.
That's off the top of my head without much thought...so be kind, man. Lol
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I'd personally prefer ore new material to touring. I'd rather hear some fresh creativity compared to seeing them jump out on tour again playing songs that have been played countless times.
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
To answer the thread, yes I would be satisfied. I love a few songs and like the rest. So if new material was worse, that would suck
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Sleight of Hand, the Fixer, Sirens, You Are, etc. the ones where you're like wow thats PJ?? Thats very weird/poppy/etc
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2006 - Chicago, IL 1 & 2
2007 - Chicago, IL Lollapalooza
2009 - Chicago, IL 1 & 2
2010 - St. Louis, MO
2011 - East Troy, WI 1 & 2 (PJ20 Destination Weekend)
2012 - Atlanta, GA, Missoula, MT
2013 - Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), Dallas, TX, Oklahoma City, OK
2014 - St. Louis, MO, Tulsa, OK, Moline, IL (No Code, IL), Saint Paul, MN, Milwaukee, WI (Yield, WI)
2016 - Greenville, SC (Vs, SC), Raleigh, NC, Columbia, SC, Boston, MA (Fenway Park 1), Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field 1 & 2)
2022 - Nashville, TN, St. Louis, MO, Oklahoma City, OK, Phoenix, AZ, Las Vegas, NV
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2014 - Soundgarden Tinley Park, IL (with Nine Inch Nails)
2017 - Soundgarden Dallas (cancelled) RIP Chris Cornell
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(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
I dont think this band will ever break up in the traditional sense. Theyll tour less, theyll make less music, but the magic will always be there when they do get together.
Id love an EP of punk covers or something, though.
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the band has lot of things to give us yet..
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EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
That's off the top of my head without much thought...so be kind, man. Lol
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