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HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
edited February 2008 in The Porch
All this absurd complaining and heartache over something a tad trivial. This is not even over PJ, but just Eddie. What's he gonna play the ITW stuff and maybe a few PJ songs, without the band? And for $65 a pop; a little bit ridiculous all of this freaking out over this. If you don't like what happend, drop your Tenclub membership and don't worry anymore.
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    simplemansimpleman Posts: 425
    yeah, what he said...
    " Jump from a cliff to fly, not to fall..."
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    Yellow LedbellyYellow Ledbelly Posts: 3,749
    I've not read any of the complaining because it doesn't affect me either way, but it would seem there is by far too much outrage about tickets for a damn concert....personally, I've got plenty more to worry about than whether or not I make a show or not.

    Granted, I would be pissed if I had tried to get tickets and could not, but it seems some folks have really gotten out of hand. Crack open a beer, put PJ on the jukebox and chill out!
    All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow

    They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
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    LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    It's all Eddie's fault,
    he has too much control!
    :D
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    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
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    rudiger10rudiger10 Posts: 129
    nathanastin wrote:
    All this absurd complaining and heartache over something a tad trivial. This is not even over PJ, but just Eddie. What's he gonna play the ITW stuff and maybe a few PJ songs, without the band? And for $65 a pop; a little bit ridiculous all of this freaking out over this. If you don't like what happend, drop your Tenclub membership and don't worry anymore.
    PWN'D TO THE MAX
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    Capricorn SisterCapricorn Sister Posts: 194
    LongRd. wrote:
    It's all Eddie's fault,
    he has too much control!
    :D
    Yeah, like adding a second San Diego show.
    Everyone is born, but not everyone is born the same. Some will grow to be butchers, or bakers, or candlestick makers. Some will only be really good at making Jell-O salad. One way or another, though, every human being is unique, for better or for worse.
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    hopethatuchokehopethatuchoke Posts: 2,930
    What exactly is trivial about people having money taken from their account and not even getting tickets? I saw one guy has over $1000 on hold because they told people to "keep trying". Nothing trivial about that.
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    Riot ActorRiot Actor Posts: 14
    LongRd. wrote:
    It's all Eddie's fault,
    he has too much control!
    :D

    Was definitely Stone's fault...yeah.
    can't keep me here...
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    JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    What exactly is trivial about people having money taken from their account and not even getting tickets? I saw one guy has over $1000 on hold because they told people to "keep trying". Nothing trivial about that.

    Exactly. I didn't even try to get tickets, but taking $1000 from someone and not even getting tix because of a website glitch is certainly a valid complaint. Geez, if the people in this thread couldn't eat for 1-2 weeks because of a 10c error, I'm sure they'd be pissed too.

    It might help to know why people are upset because you start a thread blasting for being oversensitive. ;)
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
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    HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    JD Sal wrote:
    Exactly. I didn't even try to get tickets, but taking $1000 from someone and not even getting tix because of a website glitch is certainly a valid complaint. Geez, if the people in this thread couldn't eat for 1-2 weeks because of a 10c error, I'm sure they'd be pissed too.

    It might help to know why people are upset because you start a thread blasting for being oversensitive. ;)
    I've read the complaints and I understand why they are upset; however, concert tickets are still trivial. Should plan ahead and use a credit card; if you don't know the ups and downs of debit cards, you should be a more informed consumer.
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    Yellow LedbellyYellow Ledbelly Posts: 3,749
    JD Sal wrote:
    Exactly. I didn't even try to get tickets, but taking $1000 from someone and not even getting tix because of a website glitch is certainly a valid complaint. Geez, if the people in this thread couldn't eat for 1-2 weeks because of a 10c error, I'm sure they'd be pissed too.

    It might help to know why people are upset because you start a thread blasting for being oversensitive. ;)

    'Tis true, so me being one of those folks who did not read the complaints, I stand corrected. I can understand getting pissed about being charged and not getting tickets, but while it is certainly a hassle I could live without I would have to believe it is a fuck up that can be corrected...I would certainly hope so anyways
    All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow

    They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
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    peteblancopeteblanco Posts: 19
    I also was screwed royally yesterday. This happens every time there is a online presale. why can't someone address the issue so the servers can handle the demand. We all are going to try for tickets, we all are going to be there at the same time. WHY can't this be fixed.
    You can heal the world with duct tape.
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    JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    nathanastin wrote:
    I've read the complaints and I understand why they are upset; however, concert tickets are still trivial. Should plan ahead and use a credit card; if you don't know the ups and downs of debit cards, you should be a more informed consumer.

    "the ups and downs of debit cards" - huh? :confused:

    You're still apparently not realizing the impact of this issue.

    It affected debit and credit cards and was about the ups and downs of the 10c server, not the cards used. The 10c told people to keep trying to purchase the tix, and when it crashed over and over, the system charged the people anyway despite them not getting tickets. It could take up to 2 weeks for the charges to be removed. Some people can afford $150 but not $1,000.

    How anyone can not sympathize with the fans on this one is beyond me.
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
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    JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    Yellow Ledbelly wrote:
    'Tis true, so me being one of those folks who did not read the complaints, I stand corrected. I can understand getting pissed about being charged and not getting tickets, but while it is certainly a hassle I could live without I would have to believe it is a fuck up that can be corrected...I would certainly hope so anyways

    It will be corrected, but not right away. It can take 3-5 days for the authorization holds to disappear on credit cards and up to 2 weeks for debit cards.

    Fortunately I didn't try to buy tix, but having worked in the customer service management field for the past 15 years, an apology from the 10c is certainly in order.
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
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    Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    nathanastin wrote:
    I've read the complaints and I understand why they are upset; however, concert tickets are still trivial. Should plan ahead and use a credit card; if you don't know the ups and downs of debit cards, you should be a more informed consumer.
    i for one know that if i had tried for tix and that happened id be pissed... im 20 y.o.... dont have a credit card... am on a VERY tight budget... and im sure PJ has alot of fans in the same boat... so dont speak for everyone... i saw on a different thread someone did a lil math: $20 x 100,000 active members (a rough est. probably on the low side) = $2,000,000 annually

    i dont know how much it costs to maintain and update websites to handle the kindof rush we saw yesterday, but it cant be more than $2,000,000 - the cost of paying the small 10C staff, newsletters, and vinyl

    i dont mean to get into this complaint as it doesnt immediately effect me at the moment... but SOMETHING has to be done for the future... and i think its more than a valid complaint considering people DO pay for this service
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,807
    Riot Actor wrote:
    Was definitely Stone's fault...yeah.

    he's alway's get picked on
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    Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,951
    nathanastin wrote:
    I've read the complaints and I understand why they are upset; however, concert tickets are still trivial. Should plan ahead and use a credit card; if you don't know the ups and downs of debit cards, you should be a more informed consumer.

    I am not so sure about that, even if someone used a credit card a $1000-$2000 limit isn't too out of the ordinary so if 10club maxed out my credit card I would be very annoyed.
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    normnorm I'm always home. I'm uncool. Posts: 31,147
    let's not forget that many of these "charges" were done AFTER the shows were sold out.....10c left the links up and for whatever reason the buy button would appear on various shows.....if people didn't come here first and just went to buy the shows they were getting the hold charges....that is definitely 10c's fault for not taking down the links once the shows were sold out....no one should have to come here first to find out that the shows were sold out and they weren't really getting tix.....
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    mytincturemytincture Posts: 61
    nathanastin wrote:
    I've read the complaints and I understand why they are upset; however, concert tickets are still trivial. Should plan ahead and use a credit card; if you don't know the ups and downs of debit cards, you should be a more informed consumer.

    I could not agree more. With credit cards, you are not locking up the funds in your bank account. The pending transactions will be canceled before you get your bill, so you pay nothing.

    I am really surprised how many people are shocked by what happened. This is very common across websites where you submit payments. Many sites have "Please click Submit only once". TenClub could use one of these warnings. Google "payment click submit only once", you will see many many sites come up that have the same billing process as TenClub.
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    Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    mytincture wrote:
    I could not agree more. With credit cards, you are not locking up the funds in your bank account. The pending transactions will be canceled before you get your bill, so you pay nothing.

    I am really surprised how many people are shocked by what happened. This is very common across websites where you submit payments. Many sites have "Please click Submit only once". TenClub could use one of these warnings. Google "payment click submit only once", you will see many many sites come up that have the same billing process as TenClub.
    i dont think the problem was people clicking submit more than once... 10C does have that warning... the thing i think was that people would click submit and then instead of getting to the confirmation page they would get an error and then assume the payment didnt go through at all so they then went through the whole process again and repeated... and this became an even larger problem when you consider that 10C left the buy links up long after they were sold out as if encouraging people to add charges to their cards for nothing
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    Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,951
    mytincture wrote:
    I could not agree more. With credit cards, you are not locking up the funds in your bank account. The pending transactions will be canceled before you get your bill, so you pay nothing.

    But if you only have a $1000 limit and you were only expecting to have a $140 charge and all of the sudden your card is maxed out it would be extremely annoying, more than annoying if you have bills that automatically go to your credit card before the charge has a chance to be fixed.
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    sgossard3 wrote:
    i dont think the problem was people clicking submit more than once... 10C does have that warning... the thing i think was that people would click submit and then instead of getting to the confirmation page they would get an error and then assume the payment didnt go through at all so they then went through the whole process again and repeated... and this became an even larger problem when you consider that 10C left the buy links up long after they were sold out as if encouraging people to add charges to their cards for nothing

    Yep, you got a server error, please retry message. And the tickets that you thought you bought were still in your cart. And the site returned you back to step 1 shipping address. So it was very easy to make multiple attempts to purchase them. I made three attempts in five minutes because of this problem.
    - Busted down the pretext
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    - 9/2/00
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    Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Solat13 wrote:
    Yep, you got a server error, please retry message. And the tickets that you thought you bought were still in your cart. So it was very easy to make multiple attempts to purchase them. I made three attempts in five minutes because of this problem.
    well im sorry that happened to you and so many others and allow me to apologize on behalf of 10C since they probably never will ;):p
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    sgossard3 wrote:
    well im sorry that happened to you and so many others and allow me to apologize on behalf of 10C since they probably never will ;):p

    Thanks. I'm not so much worried for myself because I used a credit card and the charges will drop in a few days, but more so for people who used a debit card. It takes up to two weeks to get that money back and the worst part is its their money and not a credit card's money.
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    homeratbathomeratbat Posts: 219
    but dont some people get that some people dont have credit cards and use the debt card as a credit card...you might call it foolish but maybe they dont trust themselves with a credit card and use the debit to know exactly what they can and can not afford! if that happened then these people are screwed...and finally mistakes happen of course but when they do they need to fixed ASAP...in the end its your $$ and no one should mess with it!
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    Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    homeratbat wrote:
    but dont some people get that some people dont have credit cards and use the debt card as a credit card...you might call it foolish but maybe they dont trust themselves with a credit card and use the debit to know exactly what they can and can not afford! if that happened then these people are screwed...and finally mistakes happen of course but when they do they need to fixed ASAP...in the end its your $$ and no one should mess with it!
    thats exactly why i dont have a CC so i totally sympathize with those people
    "Senza speme vivemo in disio"

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