i remember when you sang that song about today...

El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
now it's tomorrow and everything has changed....changed...

i wonder what changed his mind? and plz spare me the pre-9/11 bs

i especially loooooove this quote
"It was a nation-building mission. And it was not very successful. It cost us billions, a couple of billions of dollars, and I'm not so sure democracy is any better off in Haiti than it was before."
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http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/10/12/174459

BUSH: Somalia. Started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission, and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price.

And so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building.

I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator that's in our -- and it's in our -- when it's in our best interests.

But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti, I wouldn't have supported either.....


BUSH: But we can't be all things to all people in the world, Jim. And I think that's where maybe the vice president and I begin to have some differences. I am worried about over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use.

You mentioned Haiti. I wouldn't have sent troops to Haiti. I didn't think it was a mission worthwhile. It was a nation-building mission. And it was not very successful. It cost us billions, a couple of billions of dollars, and I'm not so sure democracy is any better off in Haiti than it was before.

LEHRER: If you're just going to -- you know, the use of the military, there's -- some people are now suggesting that if you don't want to use the military to maintain the peace, to do the civil thing, is it time to consider a civil force of some kind that comes in after the military that builds nations or all of that? Is that on your radar screen?

BUSH: I don't think so. I think -- I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not.

Our military's meant to fight and win war. That's what it's meant to do. And when it gets over extended, morale drops.

But I'm going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the exit strategy obvious.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    blackout weaves it's way thru the city.......
  • HoonHoon Posts: 175
    the song about today:

    you, you've been taught
    whipped into shape
    now they got you in line
    stand behind the stripes
    there will be order,
    so give up your mind, yeah
    the whole world will be different soon
    the whole world will be relieved
    the whole world will be different soon
    the whole world will be relieved


    like echoes... that nobody hears
    If you keep yourself as the final arbiter you will be less susceptible to infection from cultural illusion.
  • Hoon wrote:
    the song about today:

    you, you've been taught
    whipped into shape
    now they got you in line
    stand behind the stripes
    there will be order,
    so give up your mind, yeah
    the whole world will be different soon
    the whole world will be relieved
    the whole world will be different soon
    the whole world will be relieved


    like echoes... that nobody hears


    here's another one about today:

    serpentine - ani

    pavlov hits me with more bad news
    every time i answer the phone
    so i play and i sing and i just let it ring
    all day when i'm at home
    a defacto choice of macro
    or microcosmic melancholy
    but, baby, any way you slice it
    i'm thinkin i could just as soon use
    the time alone

    yes, the goons have gone global
    and the CEOs are shredding files
    and the democrans and the republicrats
    are flashing their toothy smiles
    and uncle tom is posing for a photo op
    with the oval office clan
    and uncle sam is rigging cockfights
    in the promised land
    and that knife you stuck in my back is still there
    it pinches a little when i sigh and moan
    and these days i'm thinkin i could just as soon use
    the time alone

    cuz all the wrong people have the power
    of suggestion
    and the freedom of the press is meaningless
    if nobody asks a question
    i mean
    causation by definition
    is such a complex compilation
    of factors
    that to even try to say why
    is to over simplify
    but that's a far cry
    isn't it dear?
    from acting like you're the only one there
    unrepentantly self centered and unfair
    enter all suckers scrambling for the scoop
    exit mr. eye contact
    who took his flirt and flew the coop
    but whatever
    no matter
    no fishin trips
    no fishin
    cuz mamma's officially out of commission
    and did i mention
    in there
    somewhere
    did i mention
    somewhere
    in there
    that i traded babe ruth?
    yes, i traded the only player that was bigger than the game
    and i can't even tell you why
    cuz you'd think i'm insane
    and that's the truth

    and the music industry mafia is pimping girl power
    sniping off their sharp shooter singles from their styrofoam towers
    and hip hop is tied up in the back room
    with a logo stuffed in its mouth
    cuz the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house
    but then

    i'm getting away from myself

    as i get closer and closer to home
    and the difference between you and me baby
    is i get fucked up
    when i'm alone

    and i must admit
    today my inner pessimist
    seems to have got the best of me
    we start out sugared up on kool-aid and manifest destiny
    and we memorize all the president's names
    like little trained monkeys
    and then we're spit into the world
    so many spinny-eyed t.v. junkies
    incapable of unravelling the military industrial mystery
    preemptively pacified with history book history
    and i've been around the world now
    and i can see this about america
    the mind control is steep here, man
    the myopia is deep here

    and behold
    those that try to expose the reality
    who really try to realize democracy
    are shot with rubber bullets and gassed off the streets
    while the global power brokers are kept clean and discrete
    behind a wall
    behind a moat
    and that is all
    that's all she wrote

    and my heart beats an sss o o o sss
    cuz folks just couldn't care care care less less less
    as long as every day is superbowl sunday
    and larger than life women in lingerie
    are pouting at us from every bus stop
    shelovesme shelovesmenot shelovesme shelovesmenot...

    and big government should not stand between a man and his money
    i mean "what's good for business is good for the country"

    our children still take that lie like communion
    the same old line
    the confederacy used on the union

    conjugate liberty
    into libertarian
    and medicate it
    associate it
    with deregulation
    privitization
    we won't even know we're slaves
    on a corporate plantation
    somebody say halleluja!
    somebody say damnation!
    cuz the profit system follows the path of least resistance
    and the path of least resistance is what makes the river crooked
    makes it serpentine
    capitalism is the devil's wet dream
    so just give me my judy garland drugs
    and let me get back to work
    cuz the empire state building
    is the tallest building in new york
    and i always got the feeling
    you just liked to hear it fall

    off your tongue

    but i remember my name

    in your mouth
    and i don't think i was done
    hearing it close to my ear
    on a whisper's way to a moan
    but pavlov hits me with more bad news every time i answer the phone
    so i play and i sing and i just let it ring all day when i'm at home

    a defacto choice of macro
    or microcosmic melancholy
    but baby, any way you slice it
    i'm thinkin i could just as soon use
    the time alone
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
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